UK Votes to leave EU

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-10-2016 12:06AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They didnt build their empire on the back of pillage and subjugation?

Not really. It was built on trade, organisation, planning, technical skill and invention, courage and adventure, initiative, esprit de corps, pride and sacrifice. And damned hard work.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 12:10AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not really. It was built on trade, organisation, planning, technical skill and invention, courage and adventure, initiative, esprit de corps, pride and sacrifice. And damned hard work.

whose hard work?
Plenty of big houses scattered around the UK, stand in one and ask yourself who did the 'hard work' and ask yourself where the money/wealth came to build them.
Would they exist if there was no empire to be exploited?

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:11AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not Ireland's finest moment. We are the naughty child of these isles.

Dev was naughty,and effectively insulted the efforts of the over 100,000 Irish men and women who volunteered to help the Allied war effort ( mostly with the British ) in WW2.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:13AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

whose hard work?

The combined effort of everyone, together with good organisation, and the leading scientific and engineering skills of the day.

I suppose you would still defend that traitor and low life creature Sean Russell, who tried to help the Nazis?

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-10-2016 12:21AM

maryishere wrote: »

Dev was naughty,and effectively insulted the efforts of the over 100,000 Irish men and women who volunteered to help the Allied war effort ( mostly with the British ) in WW2.

As well as misrepresenting the Irish people he was supposed to represent - I think there were probably far fewer Irish people mourning Hitler than Dev believed to be the case, and most certainly, not a majority.

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 12:26AM

Great-Brit-bots up in da house. There's a tranche of the British population who have still not come to terms with the fact that Britain is no longer the world power it was.

Dyr · 15-10-2016 12:29AM

You do have wonder if some of the mentalists on here are just wind up merchants or actually as deluded as they seem.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 12:30AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Great-Brit-bots up in da house. There's a tranche of the British population who have still not come to terms with the fact that Britain is no longer the world power it was.

And we the Irish were instrumental in making them earn an honest living.
Let them use their great organising skills and scientists and engineers to utilise their own resources.
If we need them we can now employ them. Do they take Euros?

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:32AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

.There's a tranche of the British population who have still not come to terms with the fact that Britain is no longer the world power it was.

ABritish population? And who would they be? I for one am Irish.
Getting your facts right about history - which you have yet to do - has nothing to do with Britains current power in the world. It still punches well above its weight.

catbear · 15-10-2016 12:34AM

Bambi wrote: »

You do have wonder if some of the mentalists on here are just wind up merchants or actually as deluded as they seem.

Unfortunately having lived amongst the savages I know some of the brit bots are on message and now believe the only course is to hoist the sails on HMS Sovereignty and sail away to......to......1899.

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 12:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

whose hard work?

A lot of Britain's wealth was built on kidnapping and torture of slaves. An awful lot more was built on outright piracy and state-sponsored terrorism.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:37AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do they take Euros?

They were proved right in refusing to adopt the Euro currency back 12 or 14 years ago, you have to hand that to them.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:41AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A lot of Britain's wealth was built on kidnapping and torture of slaves.

Britain was actually ahead of the curve among European nations in abolishing slavery. Not only did they abolish it, they paid some of the great Catholic nations of Europe, who they were competing with in trade, in an effort for them to abolish slavery too.
1815: British pay Portugal £750,000 to cease their trade north of the Equator.
1817: Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 12:42AM

maryishere wrote: »

Britain ... still punches well above its weight.

Your sycophancy for British imperialism aside, no it doesn't. Britain has been in imperial decline for decades. Britain is the little dog that barks alongside the US's big dog. The little dog's army was forced to fly its rubbish in and out of south Armagh by helicopter during the troubles, the little dog got run out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Empire is gone and it ain't coming back much as you'd wish it.

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 12:45AM

maryishere wrote: »

Britain was actually ahead of the curve among European nations in abolishing slavery.

Being its biggest beneficiary it should have. If the British people had to pay back the wealth created by the slaves they tortured they'd be bankrupted for a long time.

catbear · 15-10-2016 12:52AM

Once the UK loses its reserve currency status then it's lights out, the printing presses will go whirrly whirl.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:53AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Being its biggest beneficiary it should have..

Biggest benefecciary ? Because there were so many other countries involved in slavery, have you a source for that? And no, it most certainly was not its biggest beneficiary when it actually paid Portugal and Spain to desist from slavery.

Incidentally, the UK was only one out of a coalition of dozens of countries which helped liberate Kuwait after Iraq invaded, and was one of many countries which many years later launched an invasion which toppled the government of Saddam Hussein after he had gassed the Kurds etc.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 12:54AM

catbear wrote: »

Once the UK loses its reserve currency status then it's lights out, the printing presses will go whirrly whirl.

Following the Euro when Greece defaults?

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 01:05AM

maryishere wrote: »

They were proved right in refusing to adopt the Euro currency back 12 or 14 years ago, you have to hand that to them.

!ike the UK, sterling is in terminal decline.

15-10-2016 01:06AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A lot of Britain's wealth was built on kidnapping and torture of slaves. An awful lot more was built on outright piracy and state-sponsored terrorism.

St Patrick was an English or Welsh slave taken by the Irish back in the day, if the truth be known, all empires were built on the vanquishing of others.

You can't criticise one without understanding the fact that others were doing the same, the Irish included (think about the highland Scots)

15-10-2016 01:09AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

!ike the UK, sterling is in terminal decline.

Sterling has been worse(relative to the Euro), about six years ago it was almost 1:1 and ten years ago it was 1.6:1 (£1:€1.60)

catbear · 15-10-2016 01:10AM

Actually the British Pound had depreciated more than the Argentinian currency this year. Look out Zimbabwe, you've got competition.

MonkieSocks · 15-10-2016 01:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sterling has been worse, about six years ago it was almost 1:1 and ten years ago it was 1.6:1 (£1:€1.60)

He was better when he was playing for Liverpool, Sterling was a waste of money

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 01:11AM

maryishere wrote: »

Biggest benefecciary?

Yes. The slave trade helped make Britain the unrivalled empire it emerged as. Check out this British source of information.

During the eighteenth century, Britain became the first country in the world to "industrialise", in terms of an unprecedented economic shift towards manufactures and commerce, and the progress of technology. These were also years of large British involvement in the slave trade. So were these two trends related?

Undoubtedly the slave trade affected the British economy in a number of ways. The British cotton mills, which became the emblem of the "Industrial Revolution", depended on cheap slave-produced cotton from the New World; cotton would have been more costly to obtain elsewhere. British consumers also benefited from other cheap and plentiful slaved-produced goods such as sugar. The profits gained from the slave trade gave the British economy an extra source of capital. Both the Americas and Africa, whose economies depended on slavery, became useful additional export markets for British manufactures. Certain British individuals, businesses, and ports prospered on the basis of the slave trade.

open.edu

Because there were so many other countries involved in slavery

Whataboutery. We're discussing Britain here. Stay focussed.

Incidentally, the UK was only one out of a coalition of dozens of countries which helped liberate Kuwait after Iraq invaded, and was one of many countries which many years later launched an invasion which toppled the government of Saddam Hussein after he had gassed the Kurds etc.

Such a charmingly simplistic view of history. The Middle East is a fucking mess and hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing due, in part, to the small dog's actions there. Britain should be one of the countries accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees seeing as it helped cause the destabilisation. Imagine that Mary.. hundreds of thousands of brown people with funny ways flooding into your beloved Britain. The stuff of your nightmares.

You know Mary I'd hazard a guess there are very very few actual British people with such a deluded view of Britain's nefarious history and yet you're not even British. It's thoroughly bizarre and I suspect you're motivated by a deep hatred of your fellow Irish people particularly those who value our independence and history of standing up to British brutality. You loathe us.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 01:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

St Patrick was an English or Welsh slave taken by the Irish back in the day, if the truth be known, all empires were built on the vanquishing of others.

You can't criticise one without understanding the fact that others were doing the same, the Irish included (think about the highland Scots)

+1. Slavery was practiced in ancient Rome and elsewhere long before the British got in on the act. You do have to admire the British for being ahead of the curve in European nations in abolishing it. As said before, not only did they abolish it, they paid some of the great Catholic nations of Europe, who they were competing with in trade, in an effort for them to abolish slavery too.

1807: The British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. The West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) is established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations
1811: Slave trading made a felony in the British Empire, punishable by transportation for British subjects and foreigners.
1815: British pay Portugal £750,000 to cease their trade north of the Equator.
1818: Treaty between Britain and the Netherlands taking additional measures to enforce the 1814 ban on slave trading
1817: Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo
1827: Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade
1835: Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade.[55]
1835: Treaty between Britain and Denmark to abolish slave trade
1843: Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade.[55]
1843: Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade.[55]
1843: Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade.[55]
1843: Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade.[55]
1845: 36 British Royal Navy ships are assigned to the Anti-Slavery Squadron, making it one of the largest fleets in the world

15-10-2016 01:26AM

Sad fact is that slavery is still abundant in our modern world, but mostly underground!

130Kph · 15-10-2016 01:28AM

(addressed to 'rEpublIcAns')....Eu eu eu eu YOU……This is supposed to be about Brexit.

Are you thinking your ‘victories’ against mary mean anything

:D:D

No, no, no. you are mistaken….

Your imaginary victories against her means Jack sh*t ….to onlookers.

But it IS satisfying to see you don’t even understand that fact :rolleyes::rolleyes:;):D:p:pac:

Edit: I was going to try to be helpful here but given that every single anti-Mary poster here is a walking cliché of a bar stool ‘republican’ bullsh*tter, alas, there’s nothing more I can do at this late hour.

On ya boys ya…persuading everyone since vigilantes were invented that you're not vigilantes..

*cough* Ahu ahu ... bullsh**t cough* etc.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 01:29AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The Middle East is a fucking mess and hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing due, in part, to the small dog's actions there.

And where do many want to flee to? That great oppressive brutal regime which you despise so much, Britain. I think many of the migrants, inc those from Africa, are fleeing for a better standard and quality of life, and are not fleeing from British bombs or bullets.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You loathe us.

Naw, just because you were indoctrinated with a one sided version of history and not taught that there are 2 sides to every story, I do not loathe you. Feel sorry for you yes, but not loathe you.

15-10-2016 01:29AM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

He was better when he was playing for Liverpool, Sterling was a waste of money

He was a great F1 driver though.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 01:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sterling has been worse(relative to the Euro), about six years ago it was almost 1:1 and ten years ago it was 1.6:1 (£1:€1.60)

Correct. I think where stg was 6 months / a year ago was wrong. It was too strong for their hotels / manufacturing etc. I see the northern hotels advertising a lot in our papers now, word has it (from someone who was in N.I recently ) that they are getting business from the Republic again now.

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