Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

Roger Hassenforder · 11-10-2016 09:07PM

tomofson wrote: »

The aristocrats are evil there is no doubt, they send young working class and disadvantaged men running into battlefields to die for their hidden agendas.

An awkward situation by all means, and a very ironic one.

O dear, awkward moment coming up all right...

17% of officers were killed
12% of the "ordinary soldiers" were killed.
Ref

tomofson · 11-10-2016 09:08PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

O dear, awkward moment coming up all right...

17% of officers were killed
12% of the "ordinary soldiers" were killed.
Ref

There was far less officers though wasn't there? so not that awkward still a far cry more working class soldiers died

Pac1Man · 11-10-2016 09:10PM

I won't wear one because I am not British.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-10-2016 09:10PM

tomofson wrote: »

There was far less officers though wasn't there? so not that awkward still a far cry more working class soldiers died

you were more likely to be killed if you were an officer...

Fratton Fred · 11-10-2016 09:22PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

you were more likely to be killed if you were an officer...

Wasn't it the 2nd lieutenants who were the first ones up the ladder leading their men in to no man's land?

Roger Hassenforder · 11-10-2016 09:29PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Wasn't it the 2nd lieutenants who were the first ones up the ladder leading their men in to no man's land?

and bigger targets!
due to better diet, on average 5" taller than their troops following behind.
nice article

(we'd better stop though, this doesn't suit the narrative it was the lower classes that were sent to die by the upper class!!)

Junkyard Tom · 11-10-2016 09:30PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Ref

From your own link.

'most of the war’s dead were from the working class'.

Also the percentage of officers should be higher because how the blazes could working class men be trusted to charge into machine gun fire all by themselves?

hatrickpatrick · 11-10-2016 09:31PM

I'm sorry but regardless of any good they may have done at one point or another, I will never speak or think positively of the British Army. They were well known for a penchant for war crimes - Bloody Sunday in Croker was only one example, there were regular massacres of peaceful protesters in the British Empire, with perhaps the most notorious being in India during Ghandi's time. Just a decade ago in Iraq, they threw a young man into the river for the craic as he had been accused of looting, let him drown, and not a single one was convicted of murder or even manslaughter.

Say what you like about their contribution to victory against the Nazis, on the whole the British Army is an absolute disgrace and it gets a free pass from its government for literally every instance of criminality within it, just like the US Army. F*ck 'em.

lazybones32 · 11-10-2016 09:40PM

I don't wear a poppy but not for the same reasons as the op, nor do I look down or insult those who do wear the poppy.

Wearing a piece of fabric doesn't change or legitimise what happened 100 years ago. A lot of people died unnecessarily and a lot of people got seriously f**ked up because of what happened (yet the Spanish flu killed more people than the War)

If someone wants to commemorate those who died in the muddy fields of France or on the sun-baked shores of Gallipoli, I won't make an issue out of it.

On the streets of Dublin, women and girls used harass men who didn't wear a white flower or ribbon, which was a sign that you'd already enlisted or tried to sign up.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-10-2016 09:41PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

From your own link.

'most of the war’s dead were from the working class'.

Also the percentage of officers should be higher because how the blazes could working class men be trusted to charge into machine gun fire all by themselves?

no one is denying they were slaughtered in their millions!

but, the fact remains, there was a better chance of you surviving the war if you were working class, if you were "upper" class, you were more likely to be killed.
it dispels the myth that it was the working class that suffered most. Upper classes suffered disproportionately more!

Your Face · 11-10-2016 10:07PM

What a tarty original post.

Jimoslimos · 11-10-2016 10:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I never mentioned where the money goes. considering there are no great war veterans still around you can hardly expect the money to go to them.

So why keep fundraising then? You can make the argument that Britain was in dire economic straits after 2 world wars and charitable donations were needed at the time, nowadays I don't think so.

NiallBoo wrote: »

Irish footballer, playing for an English club who objected to playing with a poppy on his club jersey (they print them on the jerseys during November).

Username: citytillidie
Location: Derry

Think he knows well who James McClean (the ex-Derry City player) is, James Maclean on the other hand...

NiallBoo wrote: »

It's helping the governments shirk their responsibilities though - letting them get away with not taking care of people who's lives they helped destroy because they needed meat for the grinder.

When you make it normal for charities to carry the burden, then the government can ignore it completely.

This. I vehemently disagree with many of the military conflicts Britain has engaged in over the last few years however if the government sends soldiers into conflict then the state should bear the responsibility of looking after their health, both mental and physical - I think many people would reconsider their views on military involvement in Iraq and the middle east if the true economic cost was known.

Junkyard Tom · 11-10-2016 10:46PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

the fact remains, there was a better chance of you surviving the war if you were working class, if you were "upper" class, you were more likely to be killed.

Whatever way you look at it it's bad. People who were supposedly educated and of 'better' stock 'leading' men into almost certain death. Also, it wasn't the working classes who were military strategists or heads of state.

MonsterCookie · 11-10-2016 11:02PM

FFS not this sh1t again.

its very simple really: no one has to wear one. anyone who choses to wear one or not should be left the phuck alone.

problem solved.

mickrock · 11-10-2016 11:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war.

The purpose is to remember those who died on the British/Allied side.

What about the millions of poor bastards who died on the other side?

ohnonotgmail · 12-10-2016 10:08AM

mickrock wrote: »

The purpose is to remember those who died on the British/Allied side.

What about the millions of poor bastards who died on the other side?

what is this post-modern inclusivity ****? can somebody not mourn a particular group of people without getting **** for everybody that died?

weldoninhio · 12-10-2016 10:11AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

It raises money for the likes of the paras who murdered innocent Irish citizens on Bloody Sunday, soldiers who murdered men, women and children indiscriminately in Iraq and Afghanistan. They should be designated war criminals rather than heroes.

The Hill Billy · 12-10-2016 11:13AM

Ahhhh... The Annual Poppy thread. I love these. Always gives me the 'warm fuzzies'.

bnt · 12-10-2016 12:38PM

This year, of all years, I'm determined to find one and wear it in Dublin - if only to emphasise that, 100 years ago, the world didn't revolve around what happened in Dublin over Easter. It was called the Great War for a reason, y'know ...

MilesMorales1 · 12-10-2016 12:42PM

You ever thought of writing a blog for these unusual thoughts OP?

AudreyHepburn · 12-10-2016 01:02PM

I don't understand why people get so worked about a simple little flower.

Don't wear one if you don't want, it's entirely your own choice. Equally do not presume to look down on those of us who do choose to wear it.

In October of 2014 went on a family trip to the battlefields of Ypres, following the footsteps of my great-grandfather who fought there during the war.

He lost leg but made it home alive. So many of his comrades didn't and I will never forget the rows and rows of white headstones we walked passed around the town of Ypres.

I lost count of how many Irish graves we saw and it made us all realize how lucky our great-grandfather was to have come home.

To my mind those young men deserve to be remembered. That's why I choose to wear the poppy, as is my right. I don't do it to glorify the war or legitimize anything the British did to us as a nation. I do it in remembrance of the thousands of far too young men who lost their lives, some of whom would have be comrades and friends of my great-grandfather.

I think of him too, and how lucky he was to have survived.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 12-10-2016 01:22PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't understand why people get so worked about a simple little flower.

Don't wear one if you don't want, it's entirely your own choice. Equally do not presume to look down on those of us who do choose to wear it.

In October of 2014 went on a family trip to the battlefields of Ypres, following the footsteps of my great-grandfather who fought there during the war.

He lost leg but made it home alive. So many of his comrades didn't and I will never forget the rows and rows of white headstones we walked passed around the town of Ypres.

I lost count of how many Irish graves we saw and it made us all realize how lucky our great-grandfather was to have come home.

To my mind those young men deserve to be remembered. That's why I choose to wear the poppy, as is my right. I don't do it to glorify the war or legitimize anything the British did to us as a nation. I do it in remembrance of the thousands of far too young men who lost their lives, some of whom would have be comrades and friends of my great-grandfather.

I think of him too, and how lucky he was to have survived.

Remembering those who died is worthy enough, but the money you donate to the poppy appeal goes to ex-servicemen from much more recent events. If anyone wants to remember the fallen from World War I, why not organise a commemoration each year along the same lines as the Republican Easter commemorations?

I don't have a problem with anyone commemorating those who died, but I do have a problem with giving money to British ex-servicemen.

sbsquarepants · 12-10-2016 01:26PM

Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

great name for a band all the same.

Iwasfrozen · 12-10-2016 01:42PM

I would have went with Middle Class Poppy Death Cult but maybe that's just me.

razorblunt · 12-10-2016 01:50PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Who is that?

I think he plays for Rangers.

AudreyHepburn · 12-10-2016 01:58PM

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Remembering those who died is worthy enough, but the money you donate to the poppy appeal goes to ex-servicemen from much more recent events. If anyone wants to remember the fallen from World War I, why not organise a commemoration each year along the same lines as the Republican Easter commemorations?

I don't have a problem with anyone commemorating those who died, but I do have a problem with giving money to British ex-servicemen.

What business is it of yours how some-one chooses to remember or how they spend their money?

What actual difference does make to your life?

LDN_Irish · 12-10-2016 01:58PM

If only there was some way of remembering our dead relatives without giving money to people who killed Irish civilians recently.

The Hill Billy · 12-10-2016 02:21PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't understand why people get so worked about a simple little flower.

Don't wear one if you don't want, it's entirely your own choice. Equally do not presume to look down on those of us who do choose to wear it.

In October of 2014 went on a family trip to the battlefields of Ypres, following the footsteps of my great-grandfather who fought there during the war.

He lost leg but made it home alive. So many of his comrades didn't and I will never forget the rows and rows of white headstones we walked passed around the town of Ypres.

I lost count of how many Irish graves we saw and it made us all realize how lucky our great-grandfather was to have come home.

To my mind those young men deserve to be remembered. That's why I choose to wear the poppy, as is my right. I don't do it to glorify the war or legitimize anything the British did to us as a nation. I do it in remembrance of the thousands of far too young men who lost their lives, some of whom would have be comrades and friends of my great-grandfather.

I think of him too, and how lucky he was to have survived.

Nice post.

As this is AH...

Given that your great-granddad lost his leg - surely you followed in his footstep (singular). :pac:

Beefy78 · 12-10-2016 02:23PM

In seven years in Ireland I've seen seven huge threads on here bemoaning Irish people wearing the poppy, yet I've seen not one Irish person actually wearing the poppy in that time.

The only times I've ever seen a poppy on display over here is the couple of years where I've had one and maybe a few British people passing through the airport. I've never seen them on sale here.

I don't see any reason why an Irish person would wear a poppy. Fair play to them if they do but there's hardly an expectation of it.

tipptom · 12-10-2016 02:29PM

I would have no problem contributing towards a memorial or a memorial day for the WW1 dead but I think these dead soldiers are shamefully used now to raise money for ex British army servicemen.

The British government and army can pay for their own downtrodden brutal ex army colonial enforcers thanks.

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