UK Votes to leave EU

Chips Lovell · 11-10-2016 12:57PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

So-called doesn't mean it doesn't call itself that - it means it does. But it's no union because we are not a united Europe - we are sovereign nations. It also isn't Europe - it is only parts of it (and perhaps places not even in Europe if these plans go ahead).

If you don't know what so-called means then don't put your stupidity on display for all and sundry to see.

What about the credit union? Is that the so-called "credit union" because it isn't a union of sovereign nations?

I've more questions too.

The EU is illegal. Northern Ireland is illegal. Entering Leinster House is "treasonous" and meaning I suspect the Irish state is also considered illegal.

Is anything legal?

First Up · 11-10-2016 01:01PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

What about the credit union? Is that the so-called "credit union" because it isn't a union of sovereign nations?

I've more questions too.

The EU is illegal. Northern Ireland is illegal. Entering Leinster House is "treasonous" and meaning I suspect the Irish state is also considered illegal.

Is anything legal?

Would I be right in thinking he doesn't recognise the Court either?

dinorebel · 11-10-2016 01:03PM

First Up wrote: »

Would I be right in thinking he doesn't recognise the Court either?

Not sure he recognizes reality.

The Rape of Lucretia · 11-10-2016 01:05PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

People overreact by thinking the UK economy will fall apart. It won't and I think most people know this.

It wont fall apart, and I dont think anyone thinks this. It will hit their income though. Standard of living will fall, and continue to fall behind what it otherwise would have been had they stayed, for a decade or more. Sure, there will be people directly hit, redundancies, banks moving abroad or whatever. But overall, people wont notice it dramatically - the slide will be pretty slow. In the boiling a crab type scenario.
They will not make up this ground in trade with the rest of the world. Overall, it will be a poorer country in 10 years time than it would have been for them in the EU.
But thats a price they are willing to pay. Overall, its not about money. Its about keeping johnny foreigner out, and taking back control. They clearly want to be in control, as they call it, of a poorer country, rather than feeling less in control of a richer one. Which is fair enough. To each his own, and they can make their choice.

Fratton Fred · 11-10-2016 01:07PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

What about the credit union? Is that the so-called "credit union" because it isn't a union of sovereign nations?

I've more questions too.

The EU is illegal. Northern Ireland is illegal. Entering Leinster House is "treasonous" and meaning I suspect the Irish state is also considered illegal.

Is anything legal?

Diesel washing?

daithi7 · 11-10-2016 01:12PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Is there even such a thing as a "soft brexit"? I can't imagine Brussels would countenance such a thing as it would set a dangerous precedent for any other members who are starting to question the whole project.

Yes,, a soft Brexit would be a Norway, or Switzerland, type of Efta relationship. Anything less favourable would be a harder Brexit.

Let's hope for all our sakes that the negotiators seek to limit the damage that is going to be caused by Brexit by evolving the UK EU relationship to a Swiss/Norway style Efta one as smoothly as possible.

FrancieBrady · 11-10-2016 01:26PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry for the news dump.

The Times managed to get their hands on some files from the Treasury that say a hard Brexit will see up to 66 Billion lost in tax revenues a year. It seems the cabinet has seen this and no doubt the EU negotiators will have seen it and/or know it already. A hard Brexit its madness. Like previous posters I think May might be doing this on purpose to generate backlash. She's quite intelligent.

Hardly an intelligent move if everyone knows that its a rather desperate bargaining stunt.
May gives the illusion that she is more intelligent/different to the average Tory but her record of achievement isn't wonderful.

daithi7 · 11-10-2016 01:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hardly an intelligent move if everyone knows that its a rather desperate bargaining stunt.
May gives the illusion that she is more intelligent/different to the average Tory but her record of achievement isn't wonderful.

Yes, she strikes me as steady but far from stellar. Brexit aside(which is/was a huge biggie), Cameron was close to stellar and she is older, less energetic and steady, rather like the change style from Blair (stellar, war aside ) to Brown (steady but uninspiring) before them.

Todd Toddington III · 11-10-2016 01:58PM

That credit union comment gave me a giggle, kudos

steddyeddy · 11-10-2016 01:58PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

People overreact by thinking the UK economy will fall apart. It won't and I think most people know this.

No it won't fall apart but I think it will suffer.

greendom · 11-10-2016 02:02PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

No it won't fall apart but I think it will suffer.

The whole process will cause the UK, Ireland and the EU to suffer. Who will suffer the most from Brexit, I don't know, but there are no winners.

First Up · 11-10-2016 02:07PM

greendom wrote:

The whole process will cause the UK, Ireland and the EU to suffer. Who will suffer the most from Brexit, I don't know, but there are no winners.

True. We are now working on who loses the least

catbear · 11-10-2016 02:17PM

Actually I think Norway stands to suffer the most after the uk on basic trade terms.

Fratton Fred · 11-10-2016 03:50PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

No it won't fall apart but I think it will suffer.

If the eu takes on board the criticism it gets and uses Brexit as a learning exercise, it could come out much stronger.

Risteard81 · 11-10-2016 04:12PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Is anything legal?

The sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916 which commands the loyalty of all Irishmen and Irishwomen. The sovereignty and unity of the Republic are inalienable and non-judicable.

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2016 04:13PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916 which commands the loyalty of all Irishmen and Irishwomen.

All 7 of them.

Risteard81 · 11-10-2016 04:13PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Risteard81 wrote: »

So-called doesn't mean it doesn't call itself that - it means it does. But it's no union because we are not a united Europe - we are sovereign nations. It also isn't Europe - it is only parts of it (and perhaps places not even in Europe if these plans go ahead).

If you don't know what so-called means then don't put your stupidity on display for all and sundry to see.

What about the credit union? Is that the so-called "credit union" because it isn't a union of sovereign nations?

Given that it isn't a political union it is quite an idiot point which you have attempted to make which just makes you look ludicrous.

Chips Lovell · 11-10-2016 04:17PM

So Ireland is legal. But it's treasonous to enter Leinster House.

Ummm. Gotcha. I think....

Charles Babbage · 11-10-2016 04:23PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Cina wrote: »

We don't really know what level of access though. All signs seem to point towards a "hard" Brexit so they will not have any of the benefits of Norway or Switzerland - it can also take years and years to form these trade deals because they're so complex, and added to the fact that the EU might take a very tough stance on the UK as a result of them leaving, it's very possible their 'access' could be very, very limited, at least for a while.

That would mean the eu breaching WTO principles, which I doubt it is keen to do.

The EU could respect WTO rules, which largely relate to manufactures etc. while still striking a very hard bargain in relation to financial services etc, which are an important part of the UK economy.

A Little Pony · 11-10-2016 04:46PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

People overreact by thinking the UK economy will fall apart. It won't and I think most people know this.

It wont fall apart, and I dont think anyone thinks this. It will hit their income though. Standard of living will fall, and continue to fall behind what it otherwise would have been had they stayed, for a decade or more. Sure, there will be people directly hit, redundancies, banks moving abroad or whatever. But overall, people wont notice it dramatically - the slide will be pretty slow. In the boiling a crab type scenario.
They will not make up this ground in trade with the rest of the world. Overall, it will be a poorer country in 10 years time than it would have been for them in the EU.
But thats a price they are willing to pay. Overall, its not about money. Its about keeping johnny foreigner out, and taking back control. They clearly want to be in control, as they call it, of a poorer country, rather than feeling less in control of a richer one. Which is fair enough. To each his own, and they can make their choice.

Millions of people are living in poverty anyway and haven't got a pot to piss in. Better to be rich in culture and less wealthy.

Jaggo · 11-10-2016 04:57PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Millions of people are living in poverty anyway and haven't got a pot to piss in. Better to be rich in culture and less wealthy.

Indeed, and Ireland from 1932-1986 is a shining example of this economic policy.
And the huge percentage of the population that didn't agree/had no job/impoverished were free to emigrate to more successful countries.

First Up · 11-10-2016 04:58PM

A Little Pony wrote:

Millions of people are living in poverty anyway and haven't got a pot to piss in. Better to be rich in culture and less wealthy.

So do you think the more cultured in British society voted for Brexit?

steddyeddy · 11-10-2016 05:17PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Millions of people are living in poverty anyway and haven't got a pot to piss in. Better to be rich in culture and less wealthy.

The motto of the Brexitiers.

josip · 11-10-2016 06:43PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916 which commands the loyalty of all Irishmen and Irishwomen. The sovereignty and unity of the Republic are inalienable and non-judicable.

Do you really believe the things you post?

catbear · 11-10-2016 07:21PM

Fijitsu announce lays offs but don't mention Brexit however the £ dropped another penny fight after the story broke. Markets are nervous, multinationals have their own strategic post brexit restructuring decisions to make so they'll be cautious about apportioning brexit as a single cause in their public announcements.

Goldman sachs already made their threat of 3,000 banking jobs being relocated but that could be interpreted as a victory in Leave voter territory but if Nissan were to follow through with their warnings then I reckon we'll see some serious introspection and the pound to hit parity.

Enzokk · 11-10-2016 07:35PM

catbear wrote: »

Fijitsu announce lays offs but don't mention Brexit however the £ dropped another penny fight after the story broke. Markets are nervous, multinationals have their own strategic post brexit restructuring decisions to make so they'll be cautious about apportioning brexit as a single cause in their public announcements.

Goldman sachs already made their threat of 3,000 banking jobs being relocated but that could be interpreted as a victory in Leave voter territory but if Nissan were to follow through with their warnings then I reckon we'll see some serious introspection and the pound to hit parity.

The saddest thing for me is that the warnings were given, but for example in Sunderland people that voted for Brexit had this idea that the workers in the Nissan factory were somehow different from them. So it seems like crab mentality was a factor as well, why should my neighbour do well? Let me drag them down and we will both be miserable together.

But apparently this is all okay people. It is all part of the plan..or something like that. If the pound regains some ground, will the politicians then claim that it is just the fact that it was undervalued and is now correcting itself? Or will they claim it as a win for their policies?

steddyeddy · 11-10-2016 07:36PM

Fijitsu are cutting 1500 jobs. 800 of those in Northern Ireland. Unionist/republican or whatever no one deserves that.

kunst nugget · 11-10-2016 07:51PM

Jesus, it's really been a bit of a whirlwind since the Tory conference. I wonder how much further the pound will slip by the weekend. Amazon.co.uk is going to be getting a load of my present shopping this Christmas I reckon…

First Up · 11-10-2016 07:55PM

Russian bank VBT moving out of London. New location undecided - probably Frankfurt.

maryishere · 11-10-2016 07:58PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Fijitsu are cutting 1500 jobs.

Like Nokia in Finland, it is inevitable some businesses shed jobs in the fast paced business world. To put things in perspective, unemployment in the UK is still only 4.8 percent, nearly half our unemployment rate. Look at many countries in the failed EU, such as Spain with 19.5% unemployment and Greece with 23.4% unemployment. For the past decade the European unemployment rate has been very high compared to other countries. It is over double the unemployment rate in the USA and Japan, for example.

UK Votes to leave EU

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