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3 lowlifes get life for bashing a man to death.

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  • #182
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Most intellectual post ive read on this thread yet, and guess what he is going against the norm on here. Must be a bloody criminal so, one that uses good grammar, correcrly worded sentences and has a brain. Damn intelligent criminal.
    You call somebody excusing criminal behaviour as something that comes natural to certain members of society, as if we're disrespecting their culture expecting them not to rob, mug, steal, harm, kill or set on fire? If someone harms someone, steals their property and or murders them, then what are they? They're scum.


  • #183
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    tomofson wrote: »
    The sad thing is he probably does, but only for those disadvantaged people who go on to commit murders certainly not the wayne o'donoghues or murderer of raonaid murray who hasn't even been charged because hes father is a rich businessman. There is a vile classist undertone to most of the "contributors" on here.

    Ahh the woes is me, poor put upon working class shyte.
    And the biggest laugh is they are often the non working class who haven't worked a day in their lives.

    You see most of us do want the killers of Raonaid Murray and the killer of Robert Holohan, wayne o'donoghue, or the killers of Brian Murphy outside Annabell’s nightclub locked up in the same fashion as the three in Edenderry.
    In fact I draw parallels between that killing outside Annabels and what gerard barry did in Eyre Square.
    No difference, no matter where they were born, where they went to school or who their parents were.

    You might try and spin it otherwise, but most people want killers to get lengthy jail terms.
    Yes some in the media and the judicial system are fond of the background mullarkey, but to some of us it is not who you are or where you are from, but what you have just done.
    MartyDublin wrote: »
    ...
    So let me get this right. You wanted barry refused bail because he was suspected of another charge that he wasnt yet charged with. So democratic will of the people isnt what you support. And here i thought you were champion of irish justice.

    He had a past of serious violent crime.
    He had past convictions for serious violent crime including manslaughter.
    He had assaulted his partner and she was in fear for her life.
    He was the prime suspect in a serious rape.

    But to you he deserved to be free on bail.
    Why not tell that to Manuela Reido's parents. :mad:

    As you already said above Irish justice is a joke.
    I just see as a joke because it inflicts Irish society with criminals.
    You probably see as a joke because it can be played.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #184
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Do you believe jails in ireland rehabilitate offenders.
    I dont know enought about this to comment, if I had to hazard a guess I doubt it. One poster a few pages back mentioned Norway and their great rehabilitation success of 93% allegedly. I dont think we would have anything like that here...


  • #185
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    jmayo wrote: »
    Ahh the woes is me, poor put upon working class shyte.
    And the biggest laugh is they are often the non working class who haven't worked a day in their lives.

    You see most of us do want the killers of Raonaid Murray and the killer of Robert Holohan, wayne o'donoghue, or the killers of Brian Murphy outside Annabell’s nightclub locked up in the same fashion as the three in Edenderry.
    In fact I draw parallels between that killing outside Annabels and what gerard barry did in Eyre Square.
    No difference, no matter where they were born, where they went to school or who their parents were.

    You might try and spin it otherwise, but most people want killers to get lengthy jail terms.
    Yes some in the media and the judicial system are fond of the background mullarkey, but to some of us it is not who you are or where you are from, but what you have just done.



    He had a past of serious violent crime.
    He had past convictions for serious violent crime including manslaughter.
    He had assaulted his partner and she was in fear for her life.
    He was the prime suspect in a serious rape.

    But to you he deserved to be free on bail.
    Why not tell that to Manuela Reido's parents. :mad:

    As you already said above Irish justice is a joke.
    I just see as a joke because it inflicts Irish society with criminals.
    You probably see as a joke because it can be played.

    I never used the term working class I used the term disadvantaged, Of course nobody will give someone a job from a background of drugs,alcohol abuse,criminality,mental illness, so im not surprised they are not working.

    Well it certainly doesn't appear so on this site look up the old thread of wayne o'donoghue a lot of compassion towards him that case.


  • #186
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    jmayo wrote: »
    Ahh the woes is me, poor put upon working class shyte.
    And the biggest laugh is they are often the non working class who haven't worked a day in their lives.

    You see most of us do want the killers of Raonaid Murray and the killer of Robert Holohan, wayne o'donoghue, or the killers of Brian Murphy outside Annabell’s nightclub locked up in the same fashion as the three in Edenderry.
    In fact I draw parallels between that killing outside Annabels and what gerard barry did in Eyre Square.
    No difference, no matter where they were born, where they went to school or who their parents were.

    You might try and spin it otherwise, but most people want killers to get lengthy jail terms.
    Yes some in the media and the judicial system are fond of the background mullarkey, but to some of us it is not who you are or where you are from, but what you have just done.



    He had a past of serious violent crime.
    He had past convictions for serious violent crime including manslaughter.
    He had assaulted his partner and she was in fear for her life.
    He was the prime suspect in a serious rape.

    But to you he deserved to be free on bail.
    Why not tell that to Manuela Reido's parents. :mad:

    As you already said above Irish justice is a joke.
    I just see as a joke because it inflicts Irish society with criminals.
    You probably see as a joke because it can be played.

    Gerard barry had no previous bench warrants (issued if someone breaches bail) legally under a charter of human rights he has a right to bail for this reason. Do you want his human rights flouted before he was found guilty.

    Course it can be played same way innocent men are tried and convicted wrongly.


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  • #187
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    tomofson wrote: »
    I never used the term working class I used the term disadvantaged, Of course nobody will give someone a job from a background of drugs,alcohol abuse,criminality,mental illness, so im not surprised they are not working.

    Well it certainly doesn't appear so on this site look up the old thread of wayne o'donoghue a lot of compassion towards him that case.

    Why would you hire someone off their faces on drugs, unreliable with a string of convictions? Would you feel safe working with someone with a conviction for arson and a liking for cocaine? They're choices people made. That's the life he chose to partake in. I hope he never sees the light of day again


  • #188
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I dont know enought about this to comment, if I had to hazard a guess I doubt it. One poster a few pages back mentioned Norway and their great rehabilitation success of 93% allegedly. I dont think we would have anything like that here...

    While in cloverhill i seen a figure on an Red cross workshop that of all those that are sentenced to a custodial sentence in ireland 43% will refoffend. Some bloody rehabilitation.


  • #189
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Gerard barry had no previous bench warrants (issued if someone breaches bail) legally under a charter of human rights he has a right to bail for this reason. Do you want his human rights flouted before he was found guilty.

    Course it can be played same way innocent men are tried and convicted wrongly.


    And what about his victims human rights? Where are they in all of this? He's well aware of his own, isn't it an awful pity he couldn't extend the same to everyone else.


  • #190
    HensVassal
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Well there clearly needs to be more then, because most of those coming out have drug addiction issues... so how are they managing that one?

    Gobsh!tes on here talking about "rehabilitation".... These guys are going in as lazy druggie criminals... and coming out as even worse lazy drug addicted criminals.

    At the very least, we could ensure they leave prison with no drug addictions and a true understanding of what it means to work hard everyday!

    Many will probably gladly get a crappy job upon their release and keep their noses clean, because they will dread going back into prison where they'll be worked to exhaustion every day and given the bare minimum of human necessities!

    The prisons you're talking about are also plagued with drugs/gangs/crime etc... Many of the drug lords in those countries you mentioned, operate their "business" freely from behind bars!

    You can wipe that stuff out. Part of the reason for it, is because these clever criminals are allowed to sit around all day thinking up how to beat the system... you can fix that by not giving them any free time to sit around.

    Have them so exhausted everyday, that they don't even have the energy to think... never mind beat the system!


    The more you turn the screws the harder you make it for yourself. Starving prisoners and working them into the ground will only result in revolts and riots. Now I'm sure your answer to that will be dogs, baton charges, water cannon and solitary, but that just gives rise to a whole other set of problems and reactions. Next you'll be dealing with hungers strikes. Let a few prisoners starve to death and you'll be out one your ass and up in front of a tribunal post haste.


  • #191
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Why would you hire someone off their faces on drugs, unreliable with a string of convictions? Would you feel safe working with someone with a conviction for arson and a liking for cocaine? They're choices people made. That's the life he chose to partake in. I hope he never sees the light of day again

    Matthew cummins will be released on appeal. The DPP have already discussed an appeal process with his defence team. His family have openly tslked about this on a radio show in the midlands.


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  • #192
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    And what about his victims human rights? Where are they in all of this? He's well aware of his own, isn't it an awful pity he couldn't extend the same to everyone else.

    Do you not get the point im making or are you incapable they arent HIS victims till hes found guilty. Until then hes innocent he is entitled to bail until he breaches conditions of it.


  • #193
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    tomofson wrote: »
    I never used the term working class I used the term disadvantaged, Of course nobody will give someone a job from a background of drugs,alcohol abuse,criminality,mental illness, so im not surprised they are not working.

    Well it certainly doesn't appear so on this site look up the old thread of wayne o'donoghue a lot of compassion towards him that case.

    I have known and worked with people from some of the worse no go areas, particularly in Limerick.
    They were honest hardworking people, but they admitted there was a huge chunk of people from their areas who just wanted to screw the system and couldn't give two fooks about anyone else.

    How come they were able to get off their ar**es and make a better life for themselves, but the others weren't.
    It is always easier to blame someone else and sit on their holes.

    BTW I have no sympathy for wayne o'donoghue.
    He lost that when he hid the body and pretended to search.
    There is something quiet unsettling about that case if you ask me.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #194
    tomofson
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Why would you hire someone off their faces on drugs, unreliable with a string of convictions? Would you feel safe working with someone with a conviction for arson and a liking for cocaine? They're choices people made. That's the life he chose to partake in. I hope he never sees the light of day again

    I said people from a background, like someone whose parents where addicts,alcoholics or mentally ill are just as marginalized for their parents mistakes/bad choices. So they repeat the cycle because thats all they know and they don't really have a lot in the way of choices.

    I learned a lot in the care system and working with kids in the care system. I know how cycles repeat themselves. Someone with an addiction isn't necessarily a bad person neither is someone with a criminal record.

    No doubt certain crimes do stand out as crimes only a bad person would do, like rape or child abuse. But even in those cases most of the offenders where abused themselves.

    Nothing is as black and white in the real world as it is in the upper class fortresses.


  • #195
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    :D
    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Matthew cummins will be released on appeal. The DPP have already discussed an appeal process with his defence team. His family have openly tslked about this on a radio show in the midlands.
    He will in his hole. The DPP brought the charges against him for murder. Some respect shown for the dead man and his family going on Midlands radio, the will Faulkner show no doubt, a poor mans joe Duffy, harping on about innocence and appeals. The innocent party in this is dead.


  • #196
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    :D
    He will in his hole. The DPP brought the charges against him for murder. Some respect shown for the dead man and his family going on Midlands radio, the will Faulkner show no doubt, a poor mans joe Duffy, harping on about innocence and appeals. The innocent party in this is dead.

    No trust me lexie he will be released. 2 unconstitutional grounds on his conviction even if he was the sole attacker here he would win the appeal. Its illegal points of law that were not observed by the court.


  • #197
    kunst nugget
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    tomofson wrote: »
    I said people from a background, like someone whose parents where addicts,alcoholics or mentally ill are just as marginalized for their parents mistakes/bad choices. So they repeat the cycle because thats all they know and they don't really have a lot in the way of choices.

    That would not tie in with the upbringing of Matthew Cummins from what I've heard and none of his siblings would share his recidivist nature.
    tomofson wrote: »
    I learned a lot in the care system and working with kids in the care system. I know how cycles repeat themselves. Someone with an addiction isn't necessarily a bad person neither is someone with a criminal record.

    Matthew Cummins was a scourge in Edenderry though and I don't know anyone living in the area that wasn't affect by his criminality somehow. His actions were not those of a good person.


  • #198
    MartyDublin
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    That would not tie in with the upbringing of Matthew Cummins from what I've heard and none of his siblings would share his recidivist nature.



    Matthew Cummins was a scourge in Edenderry though and I don't know anyone living in the area that wasn't affect by his criminality somehow. His actions were not those of a good person.

    Well what you heard is wrong matthews brother is currently serving 5 years sentence on D wing in midlands prison. Hey dont let the truth get in the way of a good waffle.


  • #199
    jmayo
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Gerard barry had no previous bench warrants (issued if someone breaches bail) legally under a charter of human rights he has a right to bail for this reason. Do you want his human rights flouted before he was found guilty.

    Why not ask Manuela Reido about her human rights.
    Oh wait we can't because she was raped and strangled by the piece of sh** whose rights you are championing and so worried about.
    tomofson wrote: »
    No doubt certain crimes do stand out as crimes only a bad person would do, like rape or child abuse. But even in those cases most of the offenders where abused themselves.

    Nothing is as black and white in the real world as it is in the upper class fortresses.

    I am actually I suppose what you would properly term working class.
    Both my parents had trades and had never attended school after primary.
    I was the first person in my family to actually get second level education nevermind third level.
    We weren't poor, but we weren't rich.
    We worked for everything we had.
    Does that make us upper class ?

    I just love how this thread has been taken over by those so knowledgeable of the Irish justice system.
    And I learned something else today they aint criminals even when incarcerated in prison, they now prefer to be called offenders.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #200
    tomofson
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    That would not tie in with the upbringing of Matthew Cummins from what I've heard and none of his siblings would share his recidivist nature.



    Matthew Cummins was a scourge in Edenderry though and I don't know anyone living in the area that wasn't affect by his criminality somehow. His actions were not those of a good person.

    What sort of background was he from?


  • #201
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    tomofson wrote: »
    What sort of background was he from?

    The guy has no idea. Read my post above.


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  • #202
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    jmayo wrote: »
    Why not ask Manuela Reido about her human rights.
    Oh wait we can't because she was raped and strangled by the piece of sh** whose rights you are championing and so worried about.



    I am actually I suppose what you would properly term working class.
    Both my parents had trades and had never attended school after primary.
    I was the first person in my family to actually get second level education nevermind third level.
    We weren't poor, but we weren't rich.
    We worked for everything we had.
    Does that make us upper class ?

    I just love how this thread has been taken over by those so knowledgeable of the Irish justice system.
    And I learned something else today they aint criminals even when incarcerated in prison, they now prefer to be called offenders.

    Why do you keep on bringing up the one case over and over again, the majority of prisoners would even despise that individual he is an extreme within the courts system.


  • #203
    kunst nugget
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    tomofson wrote: »
    What sort of background was he from?

    Standard working class background that was no different to most people in Edenderry.


  • #204
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    jmayo wrote: »
    Why not ask Manuela Reido about her human rights.
    Oh wait we can't because she was raped and strangled by the piece of sh** whose rights you are championing and so worried about.



    I am actually I suppose what you would properly term working class.
    Both my parents had trades and had never attended school after primary.
    I was the first person in my family to actually get second level education nevermind third level.
    We weren't poor, but we weren't rich.
    We worked for everything we had.
    Does that make us upper class ?

    I just love how this thread has been taken over by those so knowledgeable of the Irish justice system.
    And I learned something else today they aint criminals even when incarcerated in prison, they now prefer to be called offenders.

    Im not championing a rapists human rights but when bail was discussed he was still considered innocent.


  • #205
    tomofson
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Standard working class background that was no different to most people in Edenderry.

    And the davy brothers???
    Just out of curiousity


  • #206
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Standard working class background that was no different to most people in Edenderry.

    Can you tell me about his brother then.


  • #207
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    tomofson wrote: »
    And the davy brothers???
    Just out of curiousity

    They are cousins.


  • #208
    tomofson
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    They are cousins.

    Sorry my mistake


  • #209
    kunst nugget
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Can you tell me about his brother then.

    I didn't realise about that brother being in jail. I'll hold my hands up on that. His other brother seems a decent sort. But at that, I'm not going to comment any more about this case on here.


  • #210
    MartyDublin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 131 ✭✭MartyDublin


    tomofson wrote: »
    Sorry my mistake

    Both lads are in solitary confinement in C base in mountjoy prison. Sean made a comment across the circle of cloverhill prison while on remand to matthew that he will fix and matthew can do the lads jail for them. In reference to hanging matty out to dry.


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  • #211
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    MartyDublin wrote: »
    Gerard barry had no previous bench warrants (issued if someone breaches bail) legally under a charter of human rights he has a right to bail for this reason.


    Charter of human rights??? Tell that the judges in other countries where if a judge thinks you have a case to answer you can be kept in for up to two years while the investigation continues.

    No, its the Irish constitution and laws and more particularly how the judges have interpreted them.


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