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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #3242
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    oik wrote: »
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12.

    God is there no depths some of ye won't go to. Where is the attack on the victim. There is a report that a PAC supporting Trump has paid her $2,500.

    Crooked Hillary didnt deny it.


  • #3243
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Crooked Hillary didnt deny it.

    Deny what?


  • #3244
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Crooked Hillary didnt deny it.

    Silence speaks volumes but sound bytes are forever


  • #3245
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    I say there won't be an attack.

    What I replied to, "Quote: oik
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12."

    So what are you saying?


  • #3246
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    What I replied to, "Quote: oik
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12."

    So what are you saying?

    Let's just say... I wouldn't bother. ;)


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  • #3247
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    What I replied to, "Quote: oik
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12."

    So what are you saying?

    Was replying to this
    Overheal wrote: »
    And now it seems this little cock-up is going to keep the old rapist allegations from doing a lot of collateral damage to the HRC campaign

    http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/trump-ally-roger-stone-gave-hillary-clinton-sexual-assault-critic-2500/

    I took that to mean that the Clinton campaign would be able to blunt this line of attack by accusing the rape victim of being a paid shill.


  • #3248
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You can taste the desperation at this point. Assange has done some incredible damage to his reputation in the last 12 months or so, also. It is interesting how caught in up Bill Clinton some guys wanted for rape seem to be, though.

    I don't see the desperation, didn't see Hillary say they were fake.

    We are just seeing none of these people are nice people, and anyone who is getting passionate about these people are suffering from delusion (not saying you are) but that is why this election is about who one dislikes the least rather than likes the most.


  • #3249
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    Was replying to this



    I took that to mean that the Clinton campaign would be able to blunt this line of attack by accusing the rape victim of being a paid shill.

    Has Clinton done so? Did the Clinton team line up unpaid contractors or the women who have made claims about trump or the child he called to be executed and condemned the state of New York's settlement for years of prison time for an innocent child. Did the Clinton team line up any of them at a press event before a presidential debate? I'll give you the answer no they did not.


  • #3250
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't see the desperation, didn't see Hillary say they were fake.

    We are just seeing none of these people are nice people, and anyone who is getting passionate about these people are suffering from delusion (not saying you are) but that is why this election is about who one dislikes the least rather than likes the most.

    "Her daughter is loike, such a brat, ohmigawd!" though, is as desperate as desperate can get in terms of presidential election arguments.

    Either way the election is over, if you don't want Clinton to have power by far the best area to focus on would be the House and especially the Senate.


  • #3251
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Has Clinton done so? Did the Clinton team line up unpaid contractors or the women who have made claims about trump or the child he called to be executed and condemned the state of New York's settlement for years of prison time for an innocent child. Did the Clinton team line up any of them at a press event before a presidential debate? I'll give you the answer no they did not.

    Tangent much?


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  • #3252
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Billy86 wrote: »
    "Her daughter is loike, such a brat, ohmigawd!" though, is as desperate as desperate can get in terms of presidential election arguments.

    He was just listing the contents of the latest email dump. No need to get bratty about it.


  • #3253
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    Tangent much?

    How is it a tangent. You claimed that Clinton might use the fact one of the women from Sunday night was paid. The fact is she has not nor did she prade women including trumps daughters mother before trump and his daughter in a cheap stunt.

    So set out how Clinton not using a trump play is a tangent when you claimed she might.


  • #3254
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    How is it a tangent. You claimed that Clinton might use the fact one of the women from Sunday night was paid. The fact is she has not nor did she prade women including trumps daughters mother before trump and his daughter in a cheap stunt.

    So set out how Clinton not using a trump play is a tangent when you claimed she might.

    No I didn't. I claimed that they would never be so stupid.


    Besides, Clinton has given no quarter this campaign and last night was a signal that nor would Trump.


  • #3255
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    I watched the debate live last night and while Clinton did what she had to do by avoiding getting hit with any knock-out blows, I think people are underestimating how well Trump did. While Trump lied and obfuscated his way through the debate, only those who had already decided to vote for Clinton will have noticed that. He was trying to appeal to the undecideds and he probably did that successfully.

    Frank Luntz' focus group of 30 undecideds gave the debate 18-4 to Trump. The latest polls which showed Clinton getting a huge bump are based on the first debate and the grope tape. I expect that Trump will get a slight bump when the results of the second debate filter through, but this will probably be instantly eroded with the release of another tape - possibly the "N-word" one.


  • #3256
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    bajer101 wrote: »
    I watched the debate live last night and while Clinton did what she had to do by avoiding getting hit with any knock-out blows, I think people are underestimating how well Trump did. While Trump lied and obfuscated his way through the debate, only those who had already decided to vote for Clinton will have noticed that. He was trying to appeal to the undecideds and he probably did that successfully.

    Frank Luntz' focus group of 30 undecideds gave the debate 18-4 to Trump. The latest polls which showed Clinton getting a huge bump are based on the first debate and the grope tape. I expect that Trump will get a slight bump when the results of the second debate filter through, but this will probably be instantly eroded with the release of another tape - possibly the "N-word" one.

    "Trump lied his way through the debate" is a soundbite that has been doing the rounds. It's funny how everyone seems to come up with the same phrase after these debates. But it has little bearing on reality.

    Even politifact can't find much wrong with Trump's statements. Not that they aren't trying very hard to nitpick as much as they can.

    http://www.politifact.com/

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    The only genuine falsehood was this, although knowing politifact I'll need to check it in context.

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    There's no politifact fact checking of Hillary's claim that he says all Mexicans are rapists or many of her other lies.


  • #3257
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    No I didn't. I claimed that they would never be so stupid.


    Besides, Clinton has given no quarter this campaign and last night was a signal that nor would Trump.

    You did not say Clinton would be so stupid you said the following in reponce to an article that one of the women was paid.

    "Quote: oik
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12."

    That does not say what you now claim.


  • #3258
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Paul Ryan will lose so much support for not standing by Klopp . He is living in a bubble, the few people around him telling him he's doing the right thing. When ever he speaks in public he's booed .


  • #3259
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    oik wrote: »
    "Trump lied his way through the debate" is a soundbite that has been doing the rounds. It's funny how everyone seems to come up with the same phrase after these debates. But it has little bearing on reality.

    Even politifact can't find much wrong with Trump's statements. Not that they aren't trying very hard to nitpick as much as they can.

    http://www.politifact.com/

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    a7e524697ca6b4a4d40514a43da0bfaf.png
    5dfd89978ac12eba3b603f37407b2c1b.png

    The only genuine falsehood was this, although knowing politifact I'll need to check it in context.

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    There's no politifact fact checking of Hillary's claim that he says all Mexicans are rapists or many of her other lies.

    Do you even read what you post?


  • #3260
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    "Trump lied his way through the debate" is a soundbite that has been doing the rounds. It's funny how everyone seems to come up with the same phrase after these debates. But it has little bearing on reality.

    Even politifact can't find much wrong with Trump's statements. Not that they aren't trying very hard to nitpick as much as they can.

    http://www.politifact.com/

    cef2749906d48c304058a2dcf1fcba52.png
    a7e524697ca6b4a4d40514a43da0bfaf.png
    5dfd89978ac12eba3b603f37407b2c1b.png

    The only genuine falsehood was this, although knowing politifact I'll need to check it in context.

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    There's no politifact fact checking of Hillary's claim that he says all Mexicans are rapists or many of her other lies.

    I have listened to the recording she laughs about the fact that the guy passed a lie detector test and that fact she found funny as she had believed in such tests. The investagotors lost evidence that with the results of the test led to a reduced plea.


  • #3261
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Paul Ryan will lose so much support for not standing by Klopp . He is living in a bubble, the few people around him telling him he's doing the right thing. When ever he speaks in public he's booed .

    Sure, Liverpool's defence is pretty poor, but I think they'll still make a good stab at the Premier League title this year.


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  • #3262
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    You did not say Clinton would be so stupid you said the following in reponce to an article that one of the women was paid.

    "Quote: oik
    Hardly.

    Good luck getting the American people on board with attacking a woman who was made infertile due to rape when she was 12."

    That does not say what you now claim.

    Jesus Christ how many different ways do I have to explain it. You realise the "good luck" was ironic, right?


  • #3263
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    Jesus Christ how many different ways do I have to explain it.

    Maybe if you actually said what you wanted the first time. Can't blame me if you change your mind or can't say things clearly. By the way I'm not Jesus Christ.

    So you answer my post and then edit that the Good Luck was ironic. I can't mind read as I said I'm not Jesus.


  • #3264
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Do you even read what you post?

    Yeah, if you actually look at some of politifact's verdicts they're flimsy enough.


  • #3265
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Maybe if you actually said what you wanted the first time. Can't blame me if you change your mind or can't say things clearly. By the way I'm not Jesus Christ.

    It was clear enough, you're interjecting in someone else's back and forth, can't blame me if you miss some of the meaning.


  • #3266
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    It was clear enough, you're interjecting in someone else's back and forth, can't blame me if you miss some of the meaning.

    You even missed it yourself and had to edit to cover your own stupid claim.


  • #3267
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    So you answer my post and then edit that the Good Luck was ironic. I can't mind read as I said I'm not Jesus.

    Maybe you would have gleaned the irony from the context if it was you I was talking to originally.


  • #3268
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Do you even read what you post?

    No and he selectively omitted at least one Pants on Fire ruling he got last night for denying he told the American public to watch a porno


  • #3269
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Do you even read what you post?

    Like I said... I wouldn't bother, if you get my drift. :)


  • #3270
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    You even missed it yourself and had to edit to cover your own stupid claim.

    How would I miss my own use of irony?


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  • #3271
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    oik wrote: »
    Maybe you would have gleaned the irony from the context if it was you I was talking to originally.

    Don't think you have irony built in. Based on your posting I gave it the only meaning it could have had.


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