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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    PauloMN wrote: »
    My plan had me running a 16 mile LSR this morning. Was lovely to "only" be out for 2.5 hours running after the recent big miles runs. Had a bit of a niggle on the arch of my foot from a speed session on Tuesday night which was worrying me a bit, so had given it plenty of elevation, icing and rolling and thankfully didn't give me any problems at all. Hip still a bit sore later on in the run, so plan is to do some regular hip exercises and stretches this week and keep an eye on it as the miles reduce.

    The run itself went great - but I went out at almost race pace for the whole lot (I know, I know..... stupid..... couldn't help myself). Also managed to take it up a notch for the last km, again I'm sure this is not the best idea but it's a real confidence boost for me to know I can up the tempo a little at the end of a long run. So overall the average pace was 9:14 for the 16 miles.

    Still catching up on many many pages of posts in the last 10 days :p, I see Max was staying up late eating pizzas :cool: no change there then.... I see lots of great long runs being done, well done to you all!!! I see you've worn poor nop's fingers down to stumps :D

    I just wanted to highlight Paulo's post above though, guys you are very very close to the big day now. PLEASE don't do anything to jeopardise either getting to the start line or the race itself. I know running 16 miles at race pace feels like it will give you a confidence boost but your body will now need time to recover from that, and time is not something you have a lot of right now.

    I know we sound like broken records but I'd really like to see you ALL slow down your runs for the next few weeks, all the runs. Don't take any chances, I see mention of a 10k race somewhere too, don't do it, it might be in the plan but that plan might not be ideal for novices. No racing parkruns either. Mind your bodies, recover well, put down the pizzas and the beer. You can eat, drink and be merry all you want after DCM :p. I saw someone else talking about running post marathon. Forget about that for now and just concentrate on keeping body and mind in one piece for the next few weeks.

    You're doing great guys, you're nearly there... #soexciting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    man down!
    head cold yesterday & today after attempting to do 20miler on friday afternoon. body started to shut down at 27kms & had to walk 6kms.not a good place to be! , physio on Thursday seemed like a good idea(but wasn't recovered enough to take a stab at 32km).
    lesson learned the hard way.
    so muscles sore all over from manflu so i am really hoping i am over the worst of it by tomorrow(been two days atm).
    hope your training is going well.
    Negative splits all the way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Sun 9/10 - 3 miles approx. in 27:56

    Beautiful sunny morning in Porterstown for this one, without even any wind to speak of. It made it easy for me to get up and out. 8:54 for my first lap, followed by a second in 8:49 before turning out and heading for home. No niggles to report either; I enjoyed this run a lot more than yesterday's.

    In relation to this, no massages organised as yet, but that could change. It may be just wear and tear, or not enough stretching? Either way, only 3 weeks to go! Well done to all who completed the LSRs this week, and best of luck with recovery for those who didn't this time.

    Dare I mention targets, now we're into the taper period?

    (1) McMillan says I can do 3:25, based on my 1:37 in the DCHM. To me, this doesn't sound realistic; I suspect McM is aimed at more experienced runners than me. In any event, I'm not in the right wave, so I won't be going after it.

    (2) Sub 3:40 sounds more achievable. The plan as of now is to start off with the pacers and see if I can push on later.

    (3) Sub 3:45, as per an interview I did for our parkrun Facebook page in July :)

    (4) Sub 4 or any PB (currently 4:18)

    Should be interesting anyway! Good luck with the tapering!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    18.25 miles done this morning found it tougher than last week....legs felt tired today....will put it down to the heavy last few weeks and golf yesterday.

    All done and dusted though and will post the weekly update later.

    What's the odds of getting a morning like this morning for the big day?? Absolutely perfect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭GOOSEPAUL


    Not much running during the week as life and work got in the way.

    Monday: Rest
    Tuesday: 5 miles
    Wednesday: 5 miles
    Thursday & Friday: rest
    Saturday: 18.4 miles

    Goal was just to run 3 hours on my last big lsr. Was going well until mile 12 when a blister popped (didn't even know I had one) so the last 6 miles was painful. Got through it but toe is still very sore and tender. Will rest up now and take it easy.

    Wooohooo, taper time. Never got this far on my last two attempts and legs and body feeling great. Glad to see the end of the 6am LSRs and Saturday's run is only 12 miles haha.

    Enjoyed reading the latest updates and well done to all reaching this point on our journey. Sorry to hear of the latest sick bay additions. Hopefully ye will make to the start line.

    Just think, this time 3 weeks we will be running our first marathon!!!

    A big thanks to Nop and the mentors again for all the advice and encouragement.

    Stay healthy and injury free everyone. Almost there.

    Paul


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭budhistmonk


    nop98 wrote: »
    budhistmonk - 20 hard, hard miles. Well done toughening it out. Check the usual indicators (e.g. morning resting heart-rate) to see if there's anything amiss. You'll learn more from these really tough runs than from plain sailing. Skip any recovery effort if you don't feel like it.
    Thanks so much nop. I took my resting HR yesterday evening and it was more than 20 beats per min over normal. I put that down to the effort of the run and time of day but when I took it again this morning it was still over 20 beats per min over. I feel absolutely fine health-wise so maybe just takes a day or two to settle down or possibly I am fighting something that is showing any symptoms. Will keep an eye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    I was very tired after yesterdays 18 miles i had a good nights sleep but My recovery today consisted of a 2 hour siesta and very nice it was too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    Boards plan week 15

    Monday: rest
    Tuesday: 5 miles easy (10:01min/mile)
    Wednesday: 7 miles including 5 at PMP (9:15min/mile)
    Thursday: 3 miles recovery (10:18min/mile)
    Friday: rest
    Saturday: 18 miles LSR (11:04min/mile)
    Sunday: 3 miles recovery (11:15min/mile)

    Another week over and so delighted it's taper time. Looking forward to getting a sports massage tomorrow as my legs are definitely in need of it. You'll all probably hear my shrieks of pain though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Longwood 3/4 Marathon 19.7x miles
    What a beautiful day for running, you couldn't ask for a nicer, calmer day :) Any chance this could be arranged for 30th?
    I ran this at 6.09 pace per km which is exactly what I planned to do and it went well, usual niggles, last 7k was quite hilly which really was good as a test for the 'main thing'. Felt comfortable throughout, breathing absolutely fine, body definitely aching for the last 5k but nothing too bad. Delighted to have completed this. Finish time approx. 3hr 15m (I think), I actually continued on into the gaa field in Longwood to complete 32.2k/20m :) All body parts feel ok now, I hope they still do tomorrow!!
    Great to meet kabuxa at the start, hope it went well for you.
    Let the tapering begin :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    tipping wrote: »
    I'm very loosely following the P&D 55 plan. The 21 today was only as the company was doing 21 but I found it not a bother as pace was handy enough the whole way around.

    Had a quick look at the taper weeks last week and next week drops down to about 40 miles with 16 mile lsr. Considering doing a tune up 10k next week (as is in the plan) but it would be Sunday so post rather than pre lsr. Will make my mind up later in the week.
    Taper really kicks in week 2 with about 30 miles and week 3 is very light.
    But training is going to back off from today and I have every intention of getting to the line fresh and with plenty bounce in the legs. All the hard work is done now and it's about getting to the line in 1 piece.

    Eeehrr, not sure if I like the sound of a tune-up 10k, the day after an LSR, 3 weeks out. It seems to contradict the goal of getting to the start-line with plenty of pep in your step. I wouldn't do it - you really don't want to have a fine 10k PB, followed by a struggle on the big day itself. Just my view - do what feels right for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭tipping


    nop98 wrote: »
    Eeehrr, not sure if I like the sound of a tune-up 10k, the day after an LSR, 3 weeks out. It seems to contradict the goal of getting to the start-line with plenty of pep in your step. I wouldn't do it - you really don't want to have a fine 10k PB, followed by a struggle on the big day itself. Just my view - do what feels right for you.

    Absolutely agreed and wouldn't be doing it the day after the lsr. I think it would be fine the other way around but that's not an option unfortunately. Might do it if I tick off the lsr earlier in the week but will run by the coach on Monday at training. Alternatively considering doing a park run blowout as part of lsr on Saturday instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Thanks so much nop. I took my resting HR yesterday evening and it was more than 20 beats per min over normal. I put that down to the effort of the run and time of day but when I took it again this morning it was still over 20 beats per min over. I feel absolutely fine health-wise so maybe just takes a day or two to settle down or possibly I am fighting something that is showing any symptoms. Will keep an eye.

    Okay - yep, best to keep an eye. Keep taking your RHR for a day or two, it will be good to have the historical data if you need to go and see someone. Don't run if it's too high - your body might just be working through something and best to not get in its way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    More LSRs .... :eek: you lot are awesome!

    The Muppet - good job getting to 18M and it sounds like a bittuva mental triumph. Well done getting to this point, look after yourself and I'd say the legs will enjoy the reduced mileage.
    All or nothing - worry not, there are plenty of wheel-chairs and stretcher-beds and other provisions at the finishline. In fact, I was a little shocked as it seemed like a war-zone. Carnage. Congrats on getting the job done, if you are still considering new runners, you really want that done a.s.a.p. 1 or 2 midweek runs in them, and all going well, the 14M coming weekend.
    kin9pin - delighted to hear you got through the big test of 18 miles. The mind can do funny things, alright! Pretty good practice for the big day itself, to battle through it. It will always turn around, it's just a matter of battling through the low point. Hopefully you all can tap into the positivity of the spectators of the day itself.
    paddydriver - great work albeit a little far and a little fast. Don't let HSR see it, she'll get the sharp pencils out. You're another fine example of having had a very solid block of training under your belt, the niggles will work themselves out and you'll enjoy the taper. Well done.
    crogerso - initially shocked to hear the words "worse pain" but you seem to have handled it splendidly. If running on grass is your thing, you should really consider doing that for most of your remaining mileage. You're setting a great example of looking after yourself!
    sibeen99 - yep, tapering is starting! Good job on getting 16M in. Mind the calf and that headcold. Is quarantine an option until Oct 30? :)
    PaoloMN - Thank you for your kind words to your fellow novices and even myself. Please, don't bother with the latter, nail your A-goal on the day itself, that'll do for me :) Firedance (welcome back!) has already cast a disaproving eye on your 16M pace from today - but just take the confidence boost and enjoy the taper. Just take it easy next week over the 12M...
    scotindublin - good job, I enjoyed your 6am post this morning just as I was heading out myself (for nowhere near as far as you crazy lot, I hasten to add). Yes, the weather was fab. I hope nobody is checking the long-term forecast yet!
    GOOSEPAUL - splendid job, I didn't realize you had two "lesser succesful" attempts behind you, taper well and you have every chance of a great debut.
    seanin4711 - yes, you need a few days break to recover from all your exertions of the past few days. Take it easy and then come back into the plan.
    FITZA - Clearly gunning for the "novice of the week" spot, sticking to your LSR pace during a race (to the second) and then running into some random nearby field to complete the distance. What can I say! :D

    There's a few folks still missing, how did you get on, kabuxa, Extrasupervery, and all those others that I now forget to mention? Spaceylou, how was take-2? A Neurotic - any update?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭kabuxa


    Longwood, 3/4 Marathon

    After all my moans and niggles and bruises from physio I was at starting line when Fitza saw me. It was great meeting you!!
    We started very slow as we all had something and we kept asking each other if we were ok. It was annoying the ambulance right behind us but left us before the 1st waterststion I think.
    I could sign up right now for this weather for the marathon. The route was really nice except the last 7k of hills. The water stations were like picnics with cups of water or bottle, oranges, banana, fruit cake!!!!
    Somehow felt good. Really good. When I started I was quite worried but little by little got better and got confidence. I ran mostly on my own and my fav entertainment calculate in miles and ks... never matches so I have to do it again and time passes.
    I spoke to a lot of people along the way and the question was always the same... is this your first marathon? E everyone assumes we were running marathon and it was everyone's first!
    When you go at the back is where the conversations happen.
    I passed a lot of people on the second half, that girl in yellow... boy in blue... The last 2 miles felt a lot lot longer than the 1st 2 ;0)))
    I think (according to my watch) I ran in 3.36 which is 'beeeeeeep' amazing for me!!! When I arrived (listen to this) RAN back to collect a couple of girls I left behind and ran back with them. So I guess I did 20 miles.
    As you can see I am really happy. The organization were very good as well.
    Off to Wagamama now!!

    Well done everyone on your runs during weekend. Taping begins and niggles will disappear!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    nop98 wrote: »
    Firedance (welcome back!) has already cast a disaproving eye on your 16M pace from today - but just take the confidence boost and enjoy the taper. Just take it easy next week over the 12M...

    Awww, I wouldn't say disapproving.... :p just a gentle reminder to follow the plan, trust the plan and don't do anything 'off the plan' from here to 30th :D

    Well done to the folks in the 3/4's marathon today, seems the world and his wife were down there enjoying a good day out. Remember your leg drains!! and take it easy for the next few days ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    nop98 wrote: »
    A Neurotic - any update?

    Unfortunately not, just going to have to wait until I can see a GP during the week to get it sorted, getting antsier by the minute to get my 20m LSR done :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    Firedance wrote: »
    Awww, I wouldn't say disapproving.... :p just a gentle reminder to follow the plan, trust the plan and don't do anything 'off the plan' from here to 30th :D

    Well done to the folks in the 3/4's marathon today, seems the world and his wife were down there enjoying a good day out. Remember your leg drains!! and take it easy for the next few days ;)

    Hey Firedance, I was lying on a bench in the dug out on the pitch with my legs in the air....pretty sight:eek::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    My week....week 15 HHN2 Plan

    Mon - rest
    Tue - 8k @ 6.06 pace
    Wed - 8k PMP @ 5.29 pace
    Thu - 8k @ 6.21 pace
    Fri - rest
    Sat - rest
    Sun - 32.2k @ 6.09 pace - Longwood 3/4 Marathon

    Will do a 5k recovery run tomorrow, rest Tuesday and back to plan for Wednesday.

    So glad I got through this week, was fairly anxious before today's run thinking that if it didn't go well it might well scupper my DCM plans, so glad it seems to have gone ok, although the next couple of days will be the indicators. I have booked a sports massage with a physio for Thursday and another one provisionally booked for the week of the marathon. Hopefully onwards and upwards for us all :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Monday 12km pacey flat
    Wednesday 12km pacey hills
    Friday 32km LSR neg splits

    final LSR week
    Monday 12km hills flat
    Wednesday 12 km pacey flat
    Friday 21+kms LSR neg splits

    week of DCM
    monday 8km easy flat
    wednesday 6km easy flat
    friday 4/5km easy flat

    plan(hope) is for sub 4.
    everybody needs a plan!
    going to get physio rub down each Tuesday from now until DCM.
    better tell him to go a bit easy on me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Extrasupervery


    Sorry I missed roll call! Anseo.

    Pushed off my LSR until this afternoon/evening mostly due to the sheer anxiety of having to run 20 miles, especially given my recent penchant for psyching myself out mid-run. This LSR was an intimidating blotch on the planner for me...more so than the day itself where there will be lots of support and hype. Finally did it and it went well, better than most of my long runs of late. I did get a bit of a niggle in my right knee at 15/16 miles but it eased entirely when I slowed my pace, it came back with a vengeance at 19 miles making my cycle home after mile 20 very...tentative.

    I've had problems with that knee on and off since Tough Mudder a few years ago, however it had held up great through this whole training period. I'm going to mind it and nurse it carefully the next few days and hope it's okay, if not I'll go to a physio. I'm not very worried about it, but that could be the endorphins. Well done all round novices, to those who did and didn't complete their planned distances this weekend, we have come far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Safrongirl


    Just got a hotel booked for night before the race - all of us can go up now so I am delighted - it's a 20 minute walk from race start so think this should be ok


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Weekly Update

    33.2 miles Total time 4hrs 55
    4 runs this week.....had hoped to do 5 but hey ho sometimes life gets in the way.

    Monday 4 miles was happy with this as I had only done my 20 mile LSR on Sunday.

    Wednesday 7 miles slightly under PMP including having to do a few laps for the football pitch in work to make up the 7!

    Thursday my "go to" 4 mile loop around the Malahide Estuary.

    Sunday 18 mile LSR (18.25 if you want to be pedantic!) left from home down into Chapelizod and joined the marathon course but came back through Ranelagh and up the South Circular Road....havent had a chance to get out to the UCD part of the course! Legs a bit heavy for the run but got through it alright. Up nice and early and unlike Maximus the start time for M Day will be like a lie in for me!

    Great stuff from everyone this weekend....is this now officially taper time????

    As a side note currently avoiding Mrs scotindublin who is dosed with a head cold; even thought of sleeping in spare room.

    Everyone look after themselves and let's see what this taper madness is all about!!

    3 weeks until a Hop House 13!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    Week 15:

    Tue: 5m easy at 10:13
    Wed: 1m wu, 5m PMP at 8:45, 1m cd. PMP was a bit fast
    Thu: 3.5m at 10:14
    Sat: 18m at 9:59
    Sun: 2.75m at 10:23

    36.6m for the week.

    One question. I'm alternating shoes, both Saucony Ride 9. One pair (my favourite) has 300 miles logged, the other pair just over 100. Which pair for the big day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    seanin4711 wrote: »
    Monday 12km pacey flat
    Wednesday 12km pacey hills
    Friday 32km LSR neg splits

    final LSR week
    Monday 12km hills flat
    Wednesday 12 km pacey flat
    Friday 21+kms LSR neg splits

    week of DCM
    monday 8km easy flat
    wednesday 6km easy flat
    friday 4/5km easy flat

    plan(hope) is for sub 4.
    everybody needs a plan!
    going to get physio rub down each Tuesday from now until DCM.
    better tell him to go a bit easy on me!

    Which plan is this?

    I don't see the need for hill-running at this stage (DCM is mostly flat, with a few drags). Nor do I see the need for a 20M/32k LSR two weeks out, nor do I see the need to negative-split your long runs. That does not sound like tapering to me at all.

    Why don't you have a look at the boards plan (linked in the opening post) and just follow its last 3 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 doozerydoo


    I did my long run yesterday, 18 miles. I ran 4 miles to the start of DCM route then ran the first 14 miles of the route.
    Nothing major to report, I thought my legs would be wrecked after Wednesdays marathon pace run (7:56/mile - little bit too fast) but all was good.
    I've been feeling really good on my runs over the last few weeks, I can really notice how the proper training is really paying off. I'm starting to think I am actually capable of running a decent marathon.
    The articles that people have been posting here have been a great help in preparing mentally so thanks for those.
    Well done to everyone for getting out and doing their last big long runs this weekend.
    This time three weeks the marathon will just be a happy memory!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    kin9pin wrote: »
    Week 15:

    Tue: 5m easy at 10:13
    Wed: 1m wu, 5m PMP at 8:45, 1m cd. PMP was a bit fast
    Thu: 3.5m at 10:14
    Sat: 18m at 9:59
    Sun: 2.75m at 10:23

    36.6m for the week.

    One question. I'm alternating shoes, both Saucony Ride 9. One pair (my favourite) has 300 miles logged, the other pair just over 100. Which pair for the big day?

    Ehm.:confused: If your favourite aren't worn out, why not them bad boys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    tipping wrote: »
    Absolutely agreed and wouldn't be doing it the day after the lsr. I think it would be fine the other way around but that's not an option unfortunately. Might do it if I tick off the lsr earlier in the week but will run by the coach on Monday at training. Alternatively considering doing a park run blowout as part of lsr on Saturday instead.

    So - this I like better as long as the blowout is reasonably controlled. :) Wubble Wubble seems to have done something similar this week and I used to do it a lot this year when sharpening up for a HM. Run a good few miles beforehand at LSR pace, line up at the back of the parkrun and force myself to run the first lap (1km) slow. Then pick up the pace slowly to overtake most of the field.

    Anyway, as I said, I am sure you'll take a sensible approach. Keeping the main thing the main thing and all that :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    nop98 wrote: »
    Ehm.:confused: If your favourite aren't worn out, why not them bad boys?

    I have no idea how long runners last. Garmin seems to give 400m in their app so I was concerned when I worked out I'd be at around 340 miles on marathon day. Is Garmin being too conservative?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    kin9pin wrote: »
    I have no idea how long runners last. Garmin seems to give 400m in their app so I was concerned when I worked out I'd be at around 340 miles on marathon day. Is Garmin being too conservative?

    I've heard that a rule of thumb is 500miles/800km. So if your runners still feel comfortable then I wouldn't worry much about them having 340 miles on them.

    On another note, I've heard a few people talking about getting new runners at this late stage. Thats a risk but if you have to do it then do it ASAP, don't leave that until the last minute! A problem with your feet caused by new runners could easily destroy your marathon!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭smashiner


    aquinn wrote: »
    Heya,

    Any of these suitable?

    Ferns Half, Wexford 9.10.16
    Tarmonbarry Half, Longford 9.10.16

    I went on holidays to Wexford this morning and ran the Ferns HM!

    Only 137 entrants, very high calibre (and me) in the race with a lot of Athletic Club singlets and a lot of people doing the DCM for the first time, so they were pumping me (as I unashamedly was wearing my 'I'm from Dublin' DCHM 2015 blue top) for info when they asked I had done it before, in particular Roebuck Road questions. People are so afraid of this hill it is unbelievable :eek:

    Great race BTW, fast first 10K but the last 6K were very tough as a result, really nice feel to it, no fuss from the race organisers and a really nice route too albeit mentally tough as the field thinned out after about 10 minutes.

    I missed the DCHM due to family reasons, so I didn't want to waste all that training and gave this one a blast and managed to knock out a sub 1:50 (by 6 seconds...phew), as the hills at the end were a killer and it was eyeballs out diving for the line :D. Came somewhere in the middle of the pack, so not too shabby considering that I decided to enter this race late on Saturday night, following on from 6 pints of Guinness and a Chicken Kebab with cheese on Friday night (all day Saturday I was good);)

    Great day out speaking to a lot of 'Wexford Novices'.

    Getting really close guys....it's gonna be great!!


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