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25k for 4 minutes in a lift!

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  • #32
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    People really will lie and say anything to get money.

    The legal profession, judges included, are equally as bad. Its all one big self-feeding industry. If people weren't applying for claims like this, we'd need less solicitors, barristers and judges....its in their interest to keep all this going.


  • #33
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its always some working class chancer who claims for these things. Or non working class indeed. A neighbor of my parents had several claims against Dublin corpo for tripping etc, and got enough for a hefty deposit on her house.
    :o

    Many years ago, I tripped on a pavement that had been repaired (badly) by Dublin Corpo and tore ankle ligaments. Was kept overnight in the Mater and was due to be operated on for it the next morning, but they decided to put it in a cast instead. They still knocked me out for surgery though.

    Anyhoo, I got £2,000 from the Corpo about two years later. I was six weeks in a cast and couldn't drive, so it was a real pain. Took almost a year for the ankle to return to full strength again.

    I don't feel bad about it, they made a bollox of the footpath and the pain was appalling.


  • #34
    Outlaw Pete
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Hang on a chronic claustrophobia sufferer gets into lift... Something is not right.

    I have chronic claustrophobia since my mid teens and I occasionally get in lifts. Posted about it years back and the reasons are usually the same: I'm late for something and I just grit my teeth, clench my fists and say fcuk it to myself. It's hell and every second the fear builds and builds until the doors open. I honestly think I would have a nervous breakdown if I ever got stuck in a lift.

    It's why I hate flying also. Enclosed spaces in general panic me. I think with me it's linked to two things. One, I seen an uncle of mine drown some unwanted kittens in a bag when I was young and I had some sort of panic attack seeing it and worrying for them being trapped and two the 'Pile Ons!' lads used to do at school where one chap would end up face down in the grass while forty other 13-year-olds jumped on top of him (I was face down in that grass once and I could barely breathe).

    So leave that woman alone, ya pack of bullies!


  • #35
    Stigura
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    She will spend the rest of her life looking behind her back for someone photographing her getting in to a lift.
    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I'm sure she is taking steps to avoid that

    And Valeyard wins the internet, for best come back Ever! :D


  • #36
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Maybe it's because we associate the state with the Brits, but the Irish must have the most arseways relationship with their state in Europe.

    We completely dissassociate the state from the thing we chuck neverending amounts of money at and the thing that's supposed to provide all our power, roads, saniatation and all that.
    It's just the enemy, so the Irish attitude seems to be that's it's fine to scam your way through life at its expense, somehow missing the fact that it's really just an extension of all the other poor ****ers living next to you that are getting punished.

    There was never any class in school for weasling your way through life like this woman or the countless other chancers we hear about and they only ever seem to get slaughtered in the media and around the watercooler, so I can only assume that it's an unconscious thing rooted deep in our psyche that goes hand in hand with our general peasantry and underdogship.


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  • #37
    Feisar
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I'm sure she is taking steps to avoid that

    Excellent Sir.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #38
    learn_more
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    s15r330 wrote: »
    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-trapped-in-shopping-centre-lift-for-just-over-four-minutes-awarded-25000-35112582.html

    Absolute joke, may some act of God cause her exactly 25k worth of damage to her house that insurance won't cover!

    I'm absolutely delighted for her. Wish it happened to me.


  • #39
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Gbear wrote: »
    Maybe it's because we associate the state with the Brits, but the Irish must have the most arseways relationship with their state in Europe.

    We completely dissassociate the state from the thing we chuck neverending amounts of money at and the thing that's supposed to provide all our power, roads, saniatation and all that.
    It's just the enemy, so the Irish attitude seems to be that's it's fine to scam your way through life at its expense, somehow missing the fact that it's really just an extension of all the other poor ****ers living next to you that are getting punished.

    There was never any class in school for weasling your way through life like this woman or the countless other chancers we hear about and they only ever seem to get slaughtered in the media and around the watercooler, so I can only assume that it's an unconscious thing rooted deep in our psyche that goes hand in hand with our general peasantry and underdogship.

    There's a decent discussion to be had here. I've a good job, nice four bed semi D, nothing to get excited bout but its grand, company car, other benefits etc. however I don't look at my payslip as it annoys me to no end the amount of money I pay Them in taxes every month. Yet I use the roads, drink water from the tap, work for a company that due to our economy is able to provide me with a decent wage.
    Yet I personally don't feel I'm part of anything bigger than my family. There's no sense of greater good outside of me and mine. Sure I'll do anyone a decent turn but the tax I pay goes to a wasteful bunch or to welfare scroungers, which is money we must pay to keep them where they are, without it crime would sky rocket. I have to state here I've absolutely no issue with someone out of work claiming welfare, I'm referring to career wasters.
    I've rambled but to get back to the point I don't identify with the state.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #40
    Rezident
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    This is why I don't buy insurance in Ireland, premiums are insane because of this.


  • #41
    Needles73
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    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    I have been trap in a lift a lot longer then that , i remember getting out the lift the engineer and company owner outside said "sorry about that", i just carried on walking and got on with my day like a bloody fool!

    Likewise in a lift for over 40mins in a Dublin City hotel....surely I should be entitled to at least 250k


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  • #42
    Birneybau
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    s15r330 wrote: »
    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-trapped-in-shopping-centre-lift-for-just-over-four-minutes-awarded-25000-35112582.html

    Absolute joke, may some act of God cause her exactly 25k worth of damage to her house that insurance won't cover!

    Its always some working class chancer who claims for these things. Or non working class indeed. A neighbor of my parents had several claims against Dublin corpo for tripping etc, and got enough for a hefty deposit on her house.

    Its ridiculous, nothing seems to be just a life event any more, it has to be someone's fault and you have to be monetarilycompensated for it. What a greedy grubby society we have become.

    I agree, it's a stupid amount of money but that's a sweeping generalisation about "working class' people. This woman indeed has a job and lives in Walkinstown, a middle class area.

    Sure, what about that dope that got compensation because she fell while hiking in the Wicklow mountains? Well to do as far as I remember.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0415/782055-teresa-wall-wicklow-way-boardwalk/


  • #43
    dresden8
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its always some working class chancer who claims for these things. Or non working class indeed. A neighbor of my parents had several claims against Dublin corpo for tripping etc, and got enough for a hefty deposit on her house.

    Its ridiculous, nothing seems to be just a life event any more, it has to be someone's fault and you have to be monetarilycompensated for it. What a greedy grubby society we have become.

    Indeed.

    These people have never worked a day in their lives.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/30000-for-hanafin-mum-after-leinster-house-fall-26657826.html

    You might want to moderate that briar you have stuck up your @rse.


  • #44
    Bunny Colvin
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Hang on a chronic claustrophobia sufferer gets into lift... Something is not right.

    That's a joke.

    It's like an alcoholic suing a pub for serving them a pint when sober.


  • #45
    Right2Write
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭Right2Write


    I think some of these judges live in a parallel universe. This should have been thrown out of court and your woman fined for abuse of public services.


  • #46
    Cuddlesworth
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    I agree, it's a stupid amount of money but that's a sweeping generalisation about "working class' people. This woman indeed has a job and lives in Walkinstown, a middle class area.

    Becoming a middle class area. Did not start there.


  • #47
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I was trapped in a lift in central London for about 4 minutes once. It was horrific. The lift stopped, suddenly dropped, caught after a few feet, started moving up a few feet and dropped again. It happened over and over and over again. I was pressing the alarm and calling out fairly frantically on the intercom. Eventually the lift dropped, stopped and went down instead of up and stopped like normal at the next floor. I nearly fell out of the lift when the doors opened and had to sit on the ground for a few minutes as my legs were like jelly. The staff didn't seem to give a damn although I was insistent that they close that lift off until someone looked at it. I was shaking for the whole tube journey home and it definitely took me a while to not feel anxious in a lift.


  • #48
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Iguana is that a wind up?


  • #49
    Liam McPoyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    Its symptomatic of the attitude people have with respect of fraudulent claims, they still see insurance companies as banks with zero consequences for getting a nice cheque.

    Now of course this Lady could have suffered genuine psychological trauma as a result of it but should she be compensated?

    Personally I don't think so but then again I'm not in the legal profession.

    As someone that works in the insurance industry, what I'd like to see happen is caps being put in place for the amount of legal fees available.

    Say for whiplash cases, which make up something in the region of 80% of motor claims in this country, a flat legal fee of €2000, not the 30% to 40% fee that's currently the norm.

    For more quantifiable injuries such as broken bones, severe ligament damage etc €4000.

    Obviously for more the more complex or catastrophic injury claims then higher fees would be required due to the amount of work involved in them.

    I GUARANTEE that the number of claims would decrease.

    At the moment a simple whiplash case will be awarded on average €15000. Throw on the usual legal fee of even 30%, that's an additional €4500, nice bit of money for not a whole lot of work.

    I see claims reports on a daily basis where people involved in low speed accidents (less than 10km ph) but they are saying as a result of the "accident" they have nightmares, when they can sleep that is, they are fearful of driving, afraid while driving in traffic and any other amount of trauma symptoms.

    Its as clear as the nose on my face that most people are being fed what to say in order to bump up their compo. Now, other than the claimant, who I wonder would benefit from a higher claim award?

    If nuisance claims have the amount of money available in fees capped, then the awards will reduce because it won't be worth the legal systems while to spend time coaching claimants.

    People with genuine injuries and effects will get properly compensated because they will be describing genuine ailments rather than the script they have been given.

    Of course there will always be chancers and cheats, its the nature of the beast, but if fees are capped it would go a long way to helping fix the issues facing the industry.

    It will never happen though, the government and the legal system are intrinsically linked so there is no chance the Oireachtas will dare rock the boat with their cronies in the bar.


  • #50
    iguana
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    Iguana is that a wind up?

    Nope, it happened to me 10 years ago in a lift in a major department store on Oxford St. It only seemed to drop a few feet each time but it was enough to make me feel pretty scared each time it happened. And the alarm and intercom not working really added to how scary it was.

    I didn't sue though it would have been nice to have had some sort of acknowledgment from the store that it shouldn't have happened and that they'd repaired whatever was wrong with the lift. But of course that would have left them wide open to being sued, so they probably have a policy that would prevent that.


  • #51
    Gbear
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    iguana wrote: »
    Nope, it happened to me 10 years ago in a lift in a major department store on Oxford St. It only seemed to drop a few feet each time but it was enough to make me feel pretty scared each time it happened. And the alarm and intercom not working really added to how scary it was.

    I didn't sue though it would have been nice to have had some sort of acknowledgment from the store that it shouldn't have happened and that they'd repaired whatever was wrong with the lift. But of course that would have left them wide open to being sued, so they probably have a policy that would prevent that.

    You can't help getting scared by something. There's not really anything to be ashamed about. There's not really much you can do about it. It might be silly, but that doesn't necessarily help you much.

    At the core of the issue is that you probably weren't actually in any danger, your issues with it were your own fault*, so the notion any lawsuit should follow from it is ludicrous.

    If it was a watercooler conversation at work you'd have people rightly cooing messages of support, but getting a payout from it is an entirely different matter.

    *I don't mean you're to blame as such, but your problem stems from within you and not directly from an outside force, like if someone dropped an anvil on your toe.


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  • #52
    Duck Soup
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    Since I came to live here when I was 19, there are two things that have always genuinely mystified me. The first is that the two biggest political parties are so similar - centre right and vaguely incompetent - and yet Irish people can see a difference and don't tend to vote for a genuinely left-wing alternative. Weird.

    The second is the levels of compensation. If they occurred in the UK, they would be met by equal amounts of laughter and outrage. And there's no rational explanation for it other than these are amounts that are usually doled out. But someone has to pay for these windfalls. And it's paid for by everyone with an insurance policy.


  • #53
    Cervantes2
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    I thought this thread would be about high class hookers. :(


  • #54
    Microdot
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    I wonder how much this one will get?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/airport-ambulance-driver-sues-over-ryanair-plane-near-miss-1.2820952


  • #55
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Duck Soup wrote: »
    Since I came to live here when I was 19, there are two things that have always genuinely mystified me. The first is that the two biggest political parties are so similar - centre right and vaguely incompetent - and yet Irish people can see a difference and don't tend to vote for a genuinely left-wing alternative. Weird.

    The second is the levels of compensation. If they occurred in the UK, they would be met by equal amounts of laughter and outrage. And there's no rational explanation for it other than these are amounts that are usually doled out. But someone has to pay for these windfalls. And it's paid for by everyone with an insurance policy.
    I genuinely believe that these are manifestations of the fact that ireland has a population with an IQ below the EU average.


  • #56
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    This is wrong on so many levels.


  • #57
    suicide_circus
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    The Honey Monster wrote: »
    This is wrong on so many levels.

    WaaaaaaaaaayHeeeeeey


  • #58
    Liam McPoyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    Microdot wrote: »
    I wonder how much this one will get?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/airport-ambulance-driver-sues-over-ryanair-plane-near-miss-1.2820952

    She developed symptoms two months after the fact.

    I wonder was that before or after she spoke with the solicitors representing her....


  • #59
    Tigger
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    Saul T Nutzz wrote: »
    She developed symptoms two months after the fact.

    I wonder was that before or after she spoke with the solicitors representing her....

    She was 86m away from the plane ?


  • #60
    maryishere
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    Duck Soup wrote: »
    The second is the levels of compensation. If they occurred in the UK, they would be met by equal amounts of laughter and outrage. And there's no rational explanation for it other than these are amounts that are usually doled out. But someone has to pay for these windfalls. And it's paid for by everyone with an insurance policy.
    Well said.
    Or by the shops in the shopping centre, who will have to charge more (to customers like you and me) or go out of business. The compensation money has to come from somewhere.
    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I genuinely believe that these are manifestations of the fact that ireland has a population with an IQ below the EU average.
    That point has been made before. Evolution / the brightest in the family going on for the priesthood (and not reproducing), or the brightest emigrating, is the reason some indeed believe many people in Ireland are indeed "mentally starved".


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  • #61
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Very spiteful post OP.


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