Eir rural FTTH thread

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-10-2016 08:10PM

Outside of the 100000 it was bad news for the following areas who had a date for FTTH removed from their exchange tooltips on the map:

Ballinagar, Offaly
Ballymacarbery, Waterford
Bohermeen, Meath
Cloonagh, Mayo
Glencullen, Dublin
Killashee, Longford
Mullagh, Clare
Tullyallen, Louth

Good news for:
Calry, Sligo which got a Winter/Spring due date.

marno21 · 07-10-2016 08:25PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Outside of the 100000 it was bad news for the following areas who had a date for FTTH removed from their exchange tooltips on the map:

Ballinagar, Offaly
Ballymacarbery, Waterford
Bohermeen, Meath
Cloonagh, Mayo
Glencullen, Dublin
Killashee, Longford
Mullagh, Clare
Tullyallen, Louth

Good news for:
Calry, Sligo which got a Winter/Spring due date.

All of these exchanges are part of the FTTC rollout but not yet turned on, including Ballymacarbry which appears to have been abandoned for FTTC rollout, but now back into the FTTC rollout.

Map does appear to have errors at times.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-10-2016 08:31PM

All the areas I have listed had "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is ..." added in a previous update. The "FTTH" has now been deleted from them. I am simply highlighting them in case people in these areas would have gotten their hopes up for a service that may not be coming.

I agree that it was most likely human error in the first place. I expect all these changes are entered manually.

ACLFC7 · 08-10-2016 02:17PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

All the areas I have listed had "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is ..." added in a previous update. The "FTTH" has now been deleted from them. I am simply highlighting them in case people in these areas would have gotten their hopes up for a service that may not be coming.

I agree that it was most likely human error in the first place. I expect all these changes are entered manually.

Mullagh, Clare now says: "Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is Spring 2017. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017"

I haven't check all the exchanges you listed. Glencullen and Ballinagar still have FTTH dates removed.

Gonzo · 08-10-2016 02:18PM

I really find it hard to believe that all 300,000 blue lines will be enabled/ completed within 2 years considering how slow it is so far with delays and only 1 exchange going live this month.

So far we have 5 exchanges partly live

Athboy 112 enabled from a planned 560
Youghal 307 enabled from a planned 330
Killinick 397 enabled from a planned 420
Ballyfarnan 139 enabled from a planned 490
Virginia 85 enabled from a planned 750

In October only Raheen will go partly live.

Hope to see a serious progression during November and December with many exchanges planned to go live between now and Christmas. Even the 5 exchanges 'live' so far have a large percentage of premises not even enabled.

Johnboy1951 · 08-10-2016 02:22PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I really find it hard to believe that all 300,000 blue lines will be enabled/ completed within 2 years considering how slow it is so far with delays and only 1 exchange going live this month.

We need to consider what is meant by the info released .....
I interpret it as - all the fibre will be run within the time specified (or close to it), ..... but connections to premises is a separate matter I believe, and I can imagine that taking a considerable time depending on the 'take-up'.

So far we have 5 exchanges partly live

Athboy 112 enabled from a planned 560
Youghal 307 enabled from a planned 330
Killinick 397 enabled from a planned 420
Ballyfarnan 139 enabled from a planned 490
Virginia 85 enabled from a planned 750

In October only Raheen will go partly live.

Hope to see a serious progression during November and December with many exchanges planned to go live between now and Christmas.

Gonzo · 08-10-2016 02:28PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

We need to consider what is meant by the info released .....
I interpret it as - all the fibre will be run within the time specified (or close to it), ..... but connections to premises is a separate matter I believe, and I can imagine that taking a considerable time depending on the 'take-up'.

yep enabled means enabled to certain homes 'fiber is available to your home' but not activated unless ordered by the customer.

I'm just wondering of the 5 exchanges live so far, when will the rest of the premises be enabled, could it be few months down the road or sometime 2018.

I get the feeling they will enable certain sections of blue lines and move onto another area and then come back to do another stretch and so on, bit like the Stage 1 process. Could end up in a case where 20 people are on a blue line and 10 get looked after while the other 10 could have an extra year to wait. I just think it would be much easier for Eir and better for the customer that all of a planned exchange gets completed and then they move on to the next exchange. All this going back and forth and completing bits of an area seems like it's just slowing the process down?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-10-2016 04:15PM

ACLFC7 wrote: »

Mullagh, Clare now says: "Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is Spring 2017. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is H2'2017"

I haven't check all the exchanges you listed. Glencullen and Ballinagar still have FTTH dates removed.

Sorry I should have been clearer. Before yesterday it had a Spring 2017 date for FTTH. As I said above it was most likely a typo.

Johnboy1951 · 09-10-2016 12:51AM

Gonzo wrote: »

yep enabled means enabled to certain homes 'fiber is available to your home' but not activated unless ordered by the customer.

I'm just wondering of the 5 exchanges live so far, when will the rest of the premises be enabled, could it be few months down the road or sometime 2018.

I get the feeling they will enable certain sections of blue lines and move onto another area and then come back to do another stretch and so on, bit like the Stage 1 process. Could end up in a case where 20 people are on a blue line and 10 get looked after while the other 10 could have an extra year to wait. I just think it would be much easier for Eir and better for the customer that all of a planned exchange gets completed and then they move on to the next exchange. All this going back and forth and completing bits of an area seems like it's just slowing the process down?

I suspect - particularly for the blue line areas - they will want to connect a number of people on each line to show they have actually done it and thus prevent any subsidisation of the area.
It is my understanding they have teams in each area, so there should not be a great delay due to going back and forth.
I could envisage them delaying some peoples' connections due to the time it might take to overcome some local difficulties, until they have the manpower to spare to get back to them.

murphaph · 09-10-2016 07:51AM

Gonzo wrote: »

yep enabled means enabled to certain homes 'fiber is available to your home' but not activated unless ordered by the customer.

I'm just wondering of the 5 exchanges live so far, when will the rest of the premises be enabled, could it be few months down the road or sometime 2018.

I get the feeling they will enable certain sections of blue lines and move onto another area and then come back to do another stretch and so on, bit like the Stage 1 process. Could end up in a case where 20 people are on a blue line and 10 get looked after while the other 10 could have an extra year to wait. I just think it would be much easier for Eir and better for the customer that all of a planned exchange gets completed and then they move on to the next exchange. All this going back and forth and completing bits of an area seems like it's just slowing the process down?

I'm sure they have their business reasons for doing things the way they do them. There could be any number of issues out of Eir's control that require them to halt work in a given area and deploy the manpower elsewhere.

About the "connect a few to keep area out of NBP" argument...well this could be true but given the NBP looks further away now, that's hardly a bad thing for anyone in a blue line area.

Gwynston · 10-10-2016 09:57AM

BuzzG wrote: »

Fibre on poles in Caherlistrane Co.Galway today .. it's on the Belcare exchange which is part of the first 100,000 ... not messing around

What's it look like?
Saw some KN contractors working on the poles on the side road from Loughgeorge on Friday, but wondered how to tell it they've done anything? I can't see any difference...

Shyboy · 10-10-2016 10:51AM

After KN installed ducting two weeks ago outside my house in Turloughmore, County Galway, they were back last week checking poles again and they have sprayed WP and a number on the road in front of every second or third pole, the one outside my house says WP27.

I assume that they are preparing for the next team from KN to come and do their thing?

Gonzo · 10-10-2016 12:31PM

Shyboy wrote: »

After KN installed ducting two weeks ago outside my house in Turloughmore, County Galway, they were back last week checking poles again and they have sprayed WP and a number on the road in front of every second or third pole, the one outside my house says WP27.

I assume that they are preparing for the next team from KN to come and do their thing?

hard to know, it's very difficult to know what they are up to and where they are heading to next. Ducting work took place here first week of April and still waiting to be wired up! You could be in for a long wait, or you could be lucky and be live in a few weeks.

long_b · 10-10-2016 12:35PM

You know what would cheer us up?
A speed test from one of the first few hundred houses to be connected

Anyone?

Shyboy · 10-10-2016 12:51PM

Gonzo wrote: »

hard to know, it's very difficult to know what they are up to and where they are heading to next. Ducting work took place here first week of April and still waiting to be wired up! You could be in for a long wait, or you could be lucky and be live in a few weeks.

Yeah, it seems to be hard to figure out what Eir/KN are up to. We are still down for Winter 2016 go-live but I know that could be, like everything, subject to change...

superloopy · 10-10-2016 12:56PM

"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane".

Gonzo · 10-10-2016 02:25PM

Shyboy wrote: »

Yeah, it seems to be hard to figure out what Eir/KN are up to. We are still down for Winter 2016 go-live but I know that could be, like everything, subject to change...

At this stage I would read little into those estimated times. Were down for Winter 2016 and not a sign of any work in months, there is only 10 working weeks left to Christmas! thats very little time left for so many places to be enabled for Winter 2016. Also looking at the 5 exchanges that have gone live they seem to be only doing certain portions of the blue lines. Youghal for instance got fairly well looked after with only a small amount of premises left to enable but Virginia has only had a fraction of it's blue lines area enabled. KNN/OpenEir don't really talk to the public and the website is giving very little if any information away about forthcoming dates and which lines are being enabled, all very frustrating for the many people living in hope of something happening soon.

snowstreams · 10-10-2016 02:31PM

Thats a pity. I was hoping they would finish all of the blues lines on each exchange before moving on.
If they dont finish all blues lines, then Im sure my road certainly wont be finished by end of spring 2017 as is stated.
My road is currently closed off for a few weeks due to m18 roadworks and I havent seen any KN vans down my road yet either.
Also the phone lines on my road are all underground.
I presume that means it would be a slower job to deploy the fibre underground?

Gwynston · 10-10-2016 02:49PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Also looking at the 5 exchanges that have gone live they seem to be only doing certain portions of the blue lines. Youghal for instance got fairly well looked after with only a small amount of premises left to enable but Virginia has only had a fraction of it's blue lines area enabled.

How do you get those numbers or tell when a blue line is live?
Looking on this map I can see the numbers for Youghal, but not Virginia, and no inidication of which blue lines are live (should they go green?) :
http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

ACLFC7 · 10-10-2016 02:57PM

Gwynston wrote: »

How do you get those numbers or tell when a blue line is live?
Looking on this map I can see the numbers for Youghal, but not Virginia, and no inidication of which blue lines are live (should they go green?) :
http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

Maybe he got the info from here http://www.openeir.ie/Techbytes/open-eir-brings-fibre-to-the-home-to-more-than-1000-additional-premises-nationwide/

long_b · 10-10-2016 02:59PM

Any info on the new cabinet for FTTH for the Curragh Camp CUT1_003
Had a drive up that road about 2 weeks ago but couldn't find anything or any sign of where it might be going.

Gonzo · 10-10-2016 03:27PM

Gwynston wrote: »

How do you get those numbers or tell when a blue line is live?
Looking on this map I can see the numbers for Youghal, but not Virginia, and no inidication of which blue lines are live (should they go green?) :
http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

There is no way to track what part of a blue line has gone live other than people in those areas checking their numbers in eir's database. As for the number of premises where fiber is available to order, that number is released by Open Eir but we don't know exactly where those are located as Open Eir's map has the same blue line colour for all rural fiber lines throughout the country.

In the exchanges that have gone live, it's totally up in the air when the remaining premises will be finished, they could have a very long wait compared to their neighbors who have already gone live.

The Open Eir map is starting to go out of date. Virginia is enabled with about 80 premises but this hasn't been reflected on the map. Also no new dates were added for October in last week's update aside from Ratheen a few weeks ago. Perhaps nothing more is going live till sometime November.

Open Eir are meant to be working on a new map with more information so perhaps they will roll that out on the website soon.

KOR101 · 10-10-2016 03:57PM

It makes sense not to make it available to all the exchange at once. Could they realistically connect so many in a short period. And. Why not release the parts that have been done rather than wait until all are ready.

murphaph · 10-10-2016 04:47PM

Gonzo wrote: »

At this stage I would read little into those estimated times. Were down for Winter 2016 and not a sign of any work in months, there is only 10 working weeks left to Christmas! thats very little time left for so many places to be enabled for Winter 2016. Also looking at the 5 exchanges that have gone live they seem to be only doing certain portions of the blue lines. Youghal for instance got fairly well looked after with only a small amount of premises left to enable but Virginia has only had a fraction of it's blue lines area enabled. KNN/OpenEir don't really talk to the public and the website is giving very little if any information away about forthcoming dates and which lines are being enabled, all very frustrating for the many people living in hope of something happening soon.

You could argue that the winter of 2016 doesn't end until February or March 2017. It's pretty vague.

Gwynston · 10-10-2016 05:08PM

murphaph wrote: »

It's pretty vague.

I'm sure that's completely intentional.... :rolleyes:

Gonzo · 10-10-2016 05:35PM

At a wild guess

Winter 2016 > November 2016-March 2017
Winter 2016/Spring 2017 > December 2016-July 2017
Spring 2017 > March 2017-August 2017
H2 2017 > August 2017 - February 2018.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 10-10-2016 09:41PM

Gonzo wrote: »

The Open Eir map is starting to go out of date. Virginia is enabled with about 80 premises but this hasn't been reflected on the map. Also no new dates were added for October in last week's update aside from Ratheen a few weeks ago. Perhaps nothing more is going live till sometime November.

Open Eir are meant to be working on a new map with more information so perhaps they will roll that out on the website soon.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the premises enabled in Virginia are actually in Munterconnaught which won Openeir's FTTH competition in November 2015. Virginia is the closest exchange and it would explain the relatively few premises done.

http://fibrerollout.ie/eir-announces-fibre-home-ftth-broadband-competition-winner/

guil · 10-10-2016 09:45PM

long_b wrote: »

Any info on the new cabinet for FTTH for the Curragh Camp CUT1_003
Had a drive up that road about 2 weeks ago but couldn't find anything or any sign of where it might be going.

The one between the rugby club and golf club? I'm going to newbridge in the morning so I'll go in that way and have a gander.

Gonzo · 10-10-2016 11:19PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I have a sneaking suspicion that the premises enabled in Virginia are actually in Munterconnaught which won Openeir's FTTH competition in November 2015. Virginia is the closest exchange and it would explain the relatively few premises done.

http://fibrerollout.ie/eir-announces-fibre-home-ftth-broadband-competition-winner/

You could be right, might explain why they don't have Virginia as live on the map if it's live in some other village closeby.

Athboy also only has a quarter of proposed premises enabled as well.

long_b · 11-10-2016 03:28AM

guil wrote: »

The one between the rugby club and golf club? I'm going to newbridge in the morning so I'll go in that way and have a gander.

Drove from the crossroads to the golf club but no sign of anything. Hopefully I'm just a bit challenged.

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