The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

Neilw · 05-10-2016 10:18PM

Dave PP wrote: »

Does anyone else think that VW Ireland dropping the performance pack model from its line up was a bad idea considering it accounted for over 60% of GTI sold.

The clubsport replaced the pp gti, anyone know the difference in price between the outgoing pp gti and the clubsport?

JoeA3 · 05-10-2016 10:21PM

Neilw wrote: »

The clubsport replaced the pp gti, anyone know the difference in price between the outgoing pp gti and the clubsport?

Well the Clubsport is only €500 shy of the R and if memory serves, the PP GTI was about €4.5k under the R.

Dave PP · 05-10-2016 10:47PM

If u take the price of the clubsport on carzone at 47+ without the recaro seats and compare to a pp gti dsg it's at least 5k.

Priced one from the product guide with the seats and a few other niceties at 52k.

After 4 Gti's I'm not convinced yet,

Neilw · 06-10-2016 01:29AM

What exactly does the clubsport offer above the pp gti for €5k extra?
I know it has a bit more power and different styling but is there anything else?

sebastianlieken · 06-10-2016 02:00AM

Neilw wrote: »

What exactly does the clubsport offer above the pp gti for €5k extra?
I know it has a bit more power and different styling but is there anything else?

much weight reduction (aluminum sub frame, no rear seats, parcel shelf, smaller battery, lighter driver and passenger recaro seats, less sound deadening, lighter brakes, etc.)

New Aero front and rear such that this edition of the golf has no lift at all

new mode: comfort - normal - race - *nuremburg* ooohhh

overboost function - gives you something like 34 bhp more for 10 seconds

uprated fuel pump and sporty exhaust that backfires 'dramatically' under heavy deceleration

10% stiffer spring rates than the standard GTI, along with a stiffer chassis, and stiffer engine mounts - think, more responsive but less comfortable.

It comes with more track orientated tires which promise lots of grip*

*grip only superior in the dry, super skittish in the wet. get an R with AWD if this makes you nervous.

GTI with PP probably wont hold resale value any better than a standard GTI, and a GTI Clubsport will defo hold its value way better than even an R.

Dave PP · 06-10-2016 07:06AM

sebastianlieken wrote: »

much weight reduction (aluminum sub frame, no rear seats, parcel shelf, smaller battery, lighter driver and passenger recaro seats, less sound deadening, lighter brakes, etc.)

New Aero front and rear such that this edition of the golf has no lift at all

new mode: comfort - normal - race - *nuremburg* ooohhh

overboost function - gives you something like 34 bhp more for 10 seconds

uprated fuel pump and sporty exhaust that backfires 'dramatically' under heavy deceleration

10% stiffer spring rates than the standard GTI, along with a stiffer chassis, and stiffer engine mounts - think, more responsive but less comfortable.

It comes with more track orientated tires which promise lots of grip*

*grip only superior in the dry, super skittish in the wet. get an R with AWD if this makes you nervous.

GTI with PP probably wont hold resale value any better than a standard GTI, and a GTI Clubsport will defo hold its value way better than even an R.

You are referring to clubsport s, the regular clubsport has five seats and less power than the S

JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 08:06AM

Neilw wrote: »

What exactly does the clubsport offer above the pp gti for €5k extra?
I know it has a bit more power and different styling but is there anything else?

Nope, that's it. And the fancy seats are another €2k. The post above is the S version which would cost significantly more again - if you could get one.

carsfan2 · 06-10-2016 09:16AM

I think the club sport is too dear altogether. I also don't think it will retain value any better than a gti/gti pp.
Clubsport S is a different car altogether however and has different appeal.
The R still seems best all rounder in the real world.

kooga · 06-10-2016 10:10AM

The red clubsport in blackwater motors cork is priced at 47,137

JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 10:20AM

kooga wrote: »

The red clubsport in blackwater motors cork is priced at 47,137

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2017-171-983571983515-cork-fpa-7465682595902810304

I like the interior. Even those standard seats with the alcantara and check pattern look nice. I'm not keen on any of the exterior add ons though especially those wheels and the silly rear spoiler. It probably looks better in the metal, granted. Dealer pics are rarely flattering.

JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 10:56AM

Looking at the product guide... if you want (and you should) upgrade the wheels, it's another €900 at a minimum - for the diamond cut Brescarias. If you'd like the R's pretoria's, well then you might want to be sitting down.... those will cost you 4 grand! Granted they come fitted with semi-slicks but who needs/wants those on a road car?

2 grand for the bucket seats - which do look fantastic, but you lose a few bits to get them (centre armrest, ambient lights...)

It's a very very expensive car.

Dave PP · 06-10-2016 01:45PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Looking at the product guide... if you want (and you should) upgrade the wheels, it's another €900 at a minimum - for the diamond cut Brescarias. If you'd like the R's pretoria's, well then you might want to be sitting down.... those will cost you 4 grand! Granted they come fitted with semi-slicks but who needs/wants those on a road car?

2 grand for the bucket seats - which do look fantastic, but you lose a few bits to get them (centre armrest, ambient lights...)

It's a very very expensive car.

Agreed, it's very pricey. Too get the most out of it and make it a desirable resale it needs the seats and adjustable damping. dsg or manual is a personal choice but most will go dsg.
The price of wheel upgrades is nuts!.
Which brings me back to my point that the pp gti was good value and a better car than the 220 version. I've had both and the pp is a steal for a grand extra.
VW UK still list all 3 so it's a local marketing decision for Ireland.

testicles · 06-10-2016 01:47PM

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JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 01:48PM

Dave PP wrote: »

Agreed, it's very pricey. Too get the most out of it and make it a desirable resale it needs the seats and adjustable damping. dsg or manual is a personal choice but most will go dsg.
The price of wheel upgrades is nuts!.
Which brings me back to my point that the pp gti was good value and a better car than the 220 version. I've had both and the pp is a steal for a grand extra.
VW UK still list all 3 so it's a local marketing decision for Ireland.

To be fair, VW made it difficult for VW Ireland I think to keep marketing all the variants. They'd be way too close together price-wise. The 220 GTI is there at the "entry point", but to position the PP and the Clubsport, not to mention the R above that would be tricky when there's only 5k between them all.

A minor facelift is imminent, so they'll probably re-shuffle the lineup again when that happens.

douglaslad · 06-10-2016 06:53PM

Why should one upgrade the wheels from the standard 18" Belvedere's to the 19" Brescia's or Pretoria's. Pretoria's perhaps at 2kg heavier than the 7.5kg forged Belvedere's but certainly not the lead weight Brescia's at 11.5kg.

JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 07:05PM

douglaslad wrote: »

Why should one upgrade the wheels from the standard 18" Belvedere's to the 19" Brescia's or Pretoria's. Pretoria's perhaps at 2kg heavier than the 7.5kg forged Belvedere's but certainly not the lead weight Brescia's at 11.5kg.

Personally... for appearance reasons. Those 18's look weedy imo. The weight differential is of little consequence in the real world. Not a fan of those Brescia's either mind you but I'd be less of a fan of paying 4k for the prets. Buy an R and get the prets for €130!

Dave PP · 06-10-2016 07:09PM

douglaslad wrote: »

Why should one upgrade the wheels from the standard 18" Belvedere's to the 19" Brescia's or Pretoria's. Pretoria's perhaps at 2kg heavier than the 7.5kg forged Belvedere's but certainly not the lead weight Brescia's at 11.5kg.

I'd stick with the Belvedere, 1 because it's light and 2 because I've driven a Gti on Santiago's and felt along with the weight the ride is noticeably harsher.
P.S. Belvedere is a strange name for a wheel.

carsfan2 · 06-10-2016 09:49PM

How come 19" Pretoria alloys can be so cheap on the R and so expensive with the clubsport? The tyres cant be 4 grand worth. Seems strange.

JoeA3 · 06-10-2016 09:52PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

How come 19" Pretoria alloys can be so cheap on the R and so expensive with the clubsport? The tyres cant be 4 grand worth. Seems strange.

On the R you're going from standard 19's to 19's. If the standard wheels on the R were 18" Cadiz then the Prets would be close to a grand to spec, as per the UK.

Which still leaves 2-2.5k for the tyres. Mad.

douglaslad · 07-10-2016 12:29AM

The oem 19" Pretoria's can be purchased in Germany for €2849 a set and the 19" R Cadiz for €2950, €101 difference. The Clubsport 18" Belvedere's cost €2399 a difference between them and the Pretoria's of €450. To spec the Clubsport here in Ireland with the Pretoria's cost €3851. Even taking tyre costs into consideration this is crazy pricing.

JoeA3 · 07-10-2016 12:31AM

Does anyone know what a set of those semi-slicks would cost in a regular tyre shop?

Neilw · 07-10-2016 01:13AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Does anyone know what a set of those semi-slicks would cost in a regular tyre shop?

Pilot sport cup tyres are about €250 each.

JoeA3 · 07-10-2016 08:27AM

Neilw wrote: »

Pilot sport cup tyres are about €250 each.

Really? So not a whole lot more than a regular 19" tyre? That makes the 4K option price all the more baffling.

EDIT: it's just occurred to me that I think DCC might be included for that 4K too. That helps explain it.

carsfan2 · 07-10-2016 08:43AM

Is dcc, adaptive dampers or adaptive cruise control?

The VW website still has the gti pp on the configurator and a load of Passat models that are no longer on sale here either.

JoeA3 · 07-10-2016 08:44AM

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is dcc, adaptive dampers or adaptive cruise control?

The VW website still has the gti pp on the configurator and a load of Passat models that are no longer on sale here either.

Adaptive dampers.
The adaptive cruise isn't available on the CS at all.

Ron Burgundy II · 07-10-2016 08:46AM

DCC - Dynamic Chassis Control.

Adaptive cruise seems to be standard on a range of golfs.

Just saw Joe reply,

why isn't the ACC available on the CS?

JoeA3 · 07-10-2016 08:50AM

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

DCC - Dynamic Chassis Control.

Adaptive cruise seems to be standard on a range of golfs.

Just saw Joe reply,

why isn't the ACC not available on the CS?

Something to do with the bumper design. Doesn't fit.

Dave PP · 07-10-2016 09:03AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Something to do with the bumper design. Doesn't fit.

Adaptive cruise is standard on the CS, front parking sensors are deleted.
Take a look at the one one carton, the sensor is clearly there.

JoeA3 · 07-10-2016 09:20AM

Dave PP wrote: »

Adaptive cruise is standard on the CS, front parking sensors are deleted.
Take a look at the one one carton, the sensor is clearly there.

You're right, sorry... it's the parking sensors it loses.

Gael23 · 07-10-2016 10:04PM

Are there any small changes happening to the Golf for 2017?

The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

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