Russia nuclear war training exercise 40 million people involved.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:05PM

Gatling wrote: »

Oh dear

Rule number 1, when you've nothing intelligent to say, turn to jibberish.

4068ac1elhodqr · 06-10-2016 04:08PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I wish Elon Musk would hurry up with those Mars rockets.

Musk apparently wants to set some off there on at the poles anyway, just to warm the place up a bit.

Some theorists believe it's already been done specifically at the northern Mare Acidalium region of Mars, as the amount of X129 defies any natural explanations, spooky.

gandalf · 06-10-2016 04:17PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

It's the US that needs a big bad enemy, how could they justify their spending without a boogey-man.

They went into Crimea to save their interests from the nazi coup plotters that took power with CIA backing, their Black sea fleet is in Crimea, the Crimean people voted to return to Russia, the eastern Ukrainians don't want the coup plotters as their government.

The Ukrainians were starting to raise their standard of living?, where did you make that up?, lol, so by now western Ukraine must be thriving in a higher standard of living, any links to show this vast improvement?:rolleyes:

No you are totally wrong.

Putins and his oligarchs biggest fear is the people of Russia will see him for the sneaky gangster that he is. He isn't afraid of the US, nor Europe, maybe the Chinese a bit (Russia has a very long unprotected border with them).

But hey anytime there is a discussion thread that criticises Russia the stock response from your many accounts is "US Bad" and you don't actually address what is being said about Russia.

The US are bad, I fully agree with you on that but to use it as justification of bad behaviour by Barechested_Bearhunter_88 and his cronies is descending the arguement to base playground levels of discussion

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:18PM

Ronan Elegant Plantation wrote: »

Musk apparently wants to set some off there on at the poles anyway, just to warm the place up a bit.

Some theorists believe it's already been done specifically at the northern Mare Acidalium region of Mars, as the amount of X129 defies any natural explanations, spooky.

Pity they don't send all the nuclear weapons on earth to mars.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:20PM

gandalf wrote: »

No you are totally wrong.

Putins and his oligarchs biggest fear is the people of Russia will see him for the sneaky gangster that he is. He isn't afraid of the US, nor Europe, maybe the Chinese a bit (Russia has a very long unprotected border with them).

But hey anytime there is a discussion thread that criticises Russia the stock response from your many accounts is "US Bad" and you don't actually address what is being said about Russia.

The US are bad, I fully agree with you on that but to use it as justification of bad behaviour by Barechested_Bearhunter_88 and his cronies is descending the arguement to base playground levels of discussion

How am I totally wrong?, point out one thing I said that was totally wrong. You are totally wrong saying Ukraine was improving it's standard of living, Russia were going to buy $15 billion euro bonds off Ukraine and lowering the price of gas to Ukraine, on top of the Billions Ukraine already owed Russia, that would have raised their standard of living, but it never happened because the CIA stuck their dirty fingers into Ukraine.

Now all the IMF will give Ukraine is $1 billion with austerity measures included, yea they have really upped their standard of living through this coup.

gandalf · 06-10-2016 04:26PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

How am I totally wrong?, point out one thing I said that was totally wrong.

Everything you said in your last post.

darkpagandeath · 06-10-2016 04:28PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Rule number 1, when you've nothing intelligent to say, turn to jibberish.

Any Idea of the logistics involved in contacting 40m people let alone doing an exercise. Very NK news.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:34PM

gandalf wrote: »

Everything you said in your last post.

Like your friend Gatling, when your stuck on the ropes, Rule number 1, turn to jibberish.

I added to my last post, would you like to comment how Ukraine have improved their standard of living by siding with the west, I won't hold my breath.:rolleyes:

gandalf · 06-10-2016 04:35PM

BTW you are assuming that I am talking about Ukraine right now. I am talking about Ukraine BEFORE their neighbours and a country that GUARANTEED their borders broke their commitments, attacked them and carved off portions of THEIR country killing thousands in the process.

TBH I know that we are just going to go around in circles again but tbh I enjoy watching you guy(s) make a complete NKVD of yourselves

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:41PM

gandalf wrote: »

BTW you are assuming that I am talking about Ukraine right now. I am talking about Ukraine BEFORE their neighbours and a country that GUARANTEED their borders broke their commitments, attacked them and carved off portions of THEIR country killing thousands in the process.

TBH I know that we are just going to go around in circles again but tbh I enjoy watching you guy(s) make a complete NKVD of yourselves

What are you talking about, they had a deal with Russia, the elected president was all for it until he was ousted, they would have got $15 billion, cheaper gas, but they kicked the president out and have been made fools of, and now their like Oliver with their begging bowl "Please sir, can I have some more?", the IMF after stalling for 2 years finally said they'd loan $1 billion with austerity attached.

Your post is BS, none of it is true, Russia and Ukraine had an agreement that was broke when the legitimate government was over thrown, you's really need to educate yourselves.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 04:44PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Any Idea of the logistics involved in contacting 40m people let alone doing an exercise. Very NK news.

It's not as if Vladamir was going to go door to door by himself, there are 200,000 emergency workers involved, divide 200,000 into 40 million, it gets a little more doable.

Irish Praetorian · 06-10-2016 04:49PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

What are you talking about, they had a deal with Russia, the elected president was all for it until he was ousted, they would have got $15 billion, cheaper gas, but they kicked the president out and have been made fools of, and now their like Oliver with their begging bowl "Please sir, can I have some more?", the IMF after stalling for 2 years finally said they'd loan $1 billion with austerity attached.

Your post is BS, none of it is true, Russia and Ukraine had an agreement that was broke when the legitimate government was over thrown, you's really need to educate yourselves.

There is a reason why that deal with Russia was so unpopular and part of the reason the president got overthrown (incidentally very good of you to skip over the violence in Kiev) is because the deal with Russia as opposed to the EU looked to most Ukrainians like a shift back towards Russian influence. Now charming as this might seem to the knee-jerk anti-US crowd, for Ukrainians this mean consigning themselves to dealing with an unpredictable Russia with a history of using trade wars and economic disputes to pressure it's neighbours. Unsurprisingly a less profitable but more reliable agreement with the European Union offered a more certain deal and a first step away from the problems of corruption which rivet the country (and Russia as well).

Gatling · 06-10-2016 04:55PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Rule number 1, when you've nothing intelligent to say, turn to jibberish.

Oh Dear is English .

Grammar nazism

Gatling · 06-10-2016 05:02PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Like your friend Gatling, when your stuck on the ropes, Rule number 1, turn to jibberish.

Funny how very similar another previous poster would say the exact same thing every time he was caught posting putinganda .

nazism while crying nonsense about Nazis in Ukraine .

LOL

darkpagandeath · 06-10-2016 05:14PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

It's not as if Vladamir was going to go door to door by himself, there are 200,000 emergency workers involved, divide 200,000 into 40 million, it gets a little more doable.

1 third the population... Get out with that. I can imagine it being doable in Moscow kind of with 11m.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:15PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

There is a reason why that deal with Russia was so unpopular and part of the reason the president got overthrown (incidentally very good of you to skip over the violence in Kiev) is because the deal with Russia as opposed to the EU looked to most Ukrainians like a shift back towards Russian influence. Now charming as this might seem to the knee-jerk anti-US crowd, for Ukrainians this mean consigning themselves to dealing with an unpredictable Russia with a history of using trade wars and economic disputes to pressure it's neighbours. Unsurprisingly a less profitable but more reliable agreement with the European Union offered a more certain deal and a first step away from the problems of corruption which rivet the country (and Russia as well).

Where is this better deal?

The CIA spent $5 billion to subvert Ukraine, listen to it from the horses mouth (and all the BS that she spouts also), now after been fooled by Washington, now they barely can get $1 billion to put into the country.
5 times more spent on destroying the country.

Notice how she stands proudly in front of the Chevron logo, not a Gazprom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:20PM

Gatling wrote: »

Funny how very similar another previous poster would say the exact same thing every time he was caught posting putinganda .

nazism while crying nonsense about Nazis in Ukraine .

LOL

Again, What are you talking about, you really confuse me, I'm a nazi? or there are no nazi's in Ukraine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:22PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1 third the population... Get out with that. I can imagine it being doable in Moscow kind of with 11m.

What exactly are you saying is impossible?, you've lost me.

darkpagandeath · 06-10-2016 05:22PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Again, What are you talking about, you really confuse me, I'm a nazi? or there are no nazi's in Ukraine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

Plenty of Nazis in Russia too.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:24PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Plenty of Nazis in Russia too.

I was asking gatling what he was talking about, there's nazi's in most countries, it's just they have political power in Ukraine now.

And what are you saying is impossible?

Gatling · 06-10-2016 05:28PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

I was asking gatling what he was talking about, there's nazi's in most countries, it's just they have political power in Ukraine now.

And what are you saying is impossible?

Actually most far right wing groups across Europe are sponsored by the Kremlin ,
The Le pen partie in France is a prime example funded to the tune of 100+ million by a Russian front bank in France

Irish Praetorian · 06-10-2016 05:29PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Where is this better deal?

The CIA spent $5 billion to subvert Ukraine, listen to it from the horses mouth (and all the BS that she spouts also), now after been fooled by Washington, now they barely can get $1 billion to put into the country.
5 times more spent on destroying the country.

Notice how she stands proudly in front of the Chevron logo, not a Gazprom.

I can't believe anyone would take such an outlandish claim at face value. 5 Billion dollars to subvert Ukraine? Oh yeah because when you want to 'subvert' a country, the best way to do it is start by spending 500 million on AIDS prevention. Just FYI this 5 billion figure refers to the total US spending in the country since 1990 or thereabouts - including such other glorious subversion tactics as 200 million on containing the disaster zone in Chernobyl. Clearly a master US ploy to deceive Ukrainians by providing them assistance - how on earth they fell for this as opposed to Russia's benevolent policy of waging a trade war every other year is beyond me...

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:34PM

Gatling wrote: »

Actually most far right wing groups across Europe are sponsored by the Kremlin ,
The Le pen partie in France is a prime example funded to the tune of 100+ million by a Russian front bank in France

I didn't ask about Russia, I asked what you were talking about, please answer what I asked.

darkpagandeath · 06-10-2016 05:34PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

I was asking gatling what he was talking about, there's nazi's in most countries, it's just they have political power in Ukraine now.

And what are you saying is impossible?

There are Nazis in the Ukrainian Gov ?

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:49PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I can't believe anyone would take such an outlandish claim at face value. 5 Billion dollars to subvert Ukraine? Oh yeah because when you want to 'subvert' a country, the best way to do it is start by spending 500 million on AIDS prevention. Just FYI this 5 billion figure refers to the total US spending in the country since 1990 or thereabouts - including such other glorious subversion tactics as 200 million on containing the disaster zone in Chernobyl. Clearly a master US ploy to deceive Ukrainians by providing them assistance - how on earth they fell for this as opposed to Russia's benevolent policy of waging a trade war every other year is beyond me...

Yea the US only made an investment in Ukraine, now they have puppets in power they'll get their $5 billion and a lot more back out of them,
they even got a US citizen in as finance minister, now she's looking for the top job, that's what you call a coup, on Russia's border aswell.

Ukraine’s US-born finance minister in talks on top post
Former fund manager works on programme for technocratic, reformist government

Natalie Jaresko, Ukraine’s US-born finance minister, has held talks on leading a new technocratic, reformist government amid intense high-level political manoeuvring.

Ms Jaresko was offered the prime minister’s position more than 10 days ago by representatives of President Petro Poroshenko and Arseny Yatseniuk, the current premier. Both offered the support of their parliamentary parties and freedom from interference, said people familiar with the matter.

The former fund manager, who took Ukrainian citizenship to join the government in late 2014, spent last week working on an administration and programme, they added.

https://www.ft.com/content/9aab135a-e52a-11e5-bc31-138df2ae9ee6

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 05:55PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

There are Nazis in the Ukrainian Gov ?

After the coup the newly installed government had 3 ministers from svoboda, they resigned then for some reason or another.

Irish Praetorian · 06-10-2016 05:55PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

Yea the US only made an investment in Ukraine, now they have puppets in power they'll get their $5 billion and a lot more back out of them,
they even got a US citizen in as finance minister, now she's looking for the top job, that's what you call a coup, on Russia's border aswell.

Ukraine’s US-born finance minister in talks on top post
Former fund manager works on programme for technocratic, reformist government

Natalie Jaresko, Ukraine’s US-born finance minister, has held talks on leading a new technocratic, reformist government amid intense high-level political manoeuvring.

Ms Jaresko was offered the prime minister’s position more than 10 days ago by representatives of President Petro Poroshenko and Arseny Yatseniuk, the current premier. Both offered the support of their parliamentary parties and freedom from interference, said people familiar with the matter.

The former fund manager, who took Ukrainian citizenship to join the government in late 2014, spent last week working on an administration and programme, they added.

https://www.ft.com/content/9aab135a-e52a-11e5-bc31-138df2ae9ee6

OK we are just nose-diving into tin foil hat territory here - pray tell how exactly with the US make a 'profit' on an indebted state with a struggling economy? Will it be the same way they made a 'profit' in Iraq? (IE not at all) As for a troublesome foreigner occupying a senior office in the Ukrainian government, well heaven forfend, next thing you know there will be Britons occupying US Cabinet positions! It's really not the worst idea in the world that people living in a country for 20 years have a chance at political advancement.

darkpagandeath · 06-10-2016 06:04PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

After the coup the newly installed government had 3 ministers from svoboda, they resigned then for some reason or another.

So there are no Nazis in the Ukrainian Gov, Glad we sorted that out.

PlamenDon · 06-10-2016 06:07PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

OK we are just nose-diving into tin foil hat territory here - pray tell how exactly with the US make a 'profit' on an indebted state with a struggling economy? Will it be the same way they made a 'profit' in Iraq? (IE not at all) As for a troublesome foreigner occupying a senior office in the Ukrainian government, well heaven forfend, next thing you know there will be Britons occupying US Cabinet positions! It's really not the worst idea in the world that people living in a country for 20 years have a chance at political advancement.

You need a tinfoil hat. Did you take notice when I mentioned the Chevron logo behind Nuland?, read this, I'm not spoon feeding you.

Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

And by the way, individuals made billions and billions of personal money from Iraq, you should google it and stop making stupid tin foil hat comments.

Irish Praetorian · 06-10-2016 06:16PM

PlamenDon wrote: »

You need a tinfoil hat. Did you take notice when I mentioned the Chevron logo behind Nuland?, read this, I'm not spoon feeding you.

Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

And by the way, individuals made billions and billions of personal money from Iraq, you should google it and stop making stupid tin foil hat comments.

So your complaint is that Western energy companies are attempting to compete in the Ukrainian market, which is in violation of the natural state of affairs which holds that Ukraine and Ukrainians must be content with being Russian vassals and a Gazprom monopoly?

As for the Iraq War, I'm aware that quite a few companies made a killing in providing services to the US forces, yet the US as a whole did not. So what is their interest in repeating the experience? I restate my earlier question of how is the US going to profit from this endeavour?

Russia nuclear war training exercise 40 million people involved.

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