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The UK Government wants to draw up a list of all 'non-British' workers

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  • #2
    ScumLord
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    We can't take Dara B'Briain back now, we have no where to put him, he's old space in the attic has a water tank in it now.


  • #3
    keeponhurling
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    Not sure why they wouldn't already have this information.
    To work you need a PPS number (in this case, the UK equivalent) and that is something the government will already have.


  • #4
    wes
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    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Not sure why they wouldn't already have this information.
    To work you need a PPS number (in this case, the UK equivalent) and that is something the government will already have.

    Its one part to name and shame companies who hire Johnny Foreigner, and other part socking it to Johnny Foreigner.


  • #5
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    wes wrote: »
    Its one part to name and shame companies who hire Johnny Foreigner, and other part socking it to Johnny Foreigner.

    It's getting pretty bad when they decide to create a database of foreign workers. They're definitely playing up to the latent xenophobia in certain parts of the electorate.


  • #6
    Nomis21
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    Grayson wrote: »
    It's getting pretty bad when they decide to create a database of foreign workers. They're definitely playing up to the latent xenophobia in certain parts of the electorate.

    It's not government policy yet, but it just shows what the UK Conservative party is capable of doing. I find that frightening.


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  • #7
    wes
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    Grayson wrote: »
    They're definitely playing up to the latent xenophobia in certain parts of the electorate.

    Exactly, and when another Polish lad is murdered, they will pretend that there Xenophobic **** stirring had nothing to do with it.


  • #8
    BrokenArrows
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    It is pretty amazing that they dont already have this information.

    Im all for freedom of travel, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt track who is coming and going from the country.

    Passports should be displayed and recorded at all borders.


  • #9
    wes
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    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    It is pretty amazing that they dont already have this information.

    Im all for freedom of travel, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt track who is coming and going from the country.

    Passports should be displayed and recorded at all borders.

    The purpose has nothing to do with knowing about who is, and isn't the country. The stated intention is to "name and shame" companies who are hiring Johnny Foreigner.


  • #10
    BrokenArrows
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    wes wrote: »
    The purpose has nothing to do with knowing about who is, and isn't the country. The stated intention is to "name and shame" companies who are hiring Johnny Foreigner.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with this as long as it targets companies which are purposely hiring foreigners for whatever reason and discriminating against British candidates of equal or better qualifications.


  • #11
    imitation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭imitation


    Its ok, at least the rest of the EU knows what happens when people start talking about making lists ( like a certain person 70 odd years back).

    And when skilled fleeing the uk get a work permit in the EU/US they probably wont be put on some list either.


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  • #12
    wes
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    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    I don't think there is anything wrong with this as long as it targets companies which are purposely hiring foreigners for whatever reason and discriminating against British candidates of equal or better qualifications.

    Its for every company. A pointless bit of bureaucracy, that the British used to blame the EU on.


  • #13
    darkpagandeath
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    Don't see an issue sounds like a Great Idea lets do it EU wide. See what companies are playing fairly.


  • #14
    Dick phelan
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    Pretty scary stuff tbh, 1989 is becoming a reality, Wonder how British people will react if they can't work anywhere outside the UK i'm by no means left wing but this type of stuff is way over the line


  • #15
    BrokenArrows
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    wes wrote: »
    Its for every company. A pointless bit of bureaucracy, that the British used to blame the EU on.

    Its not pointless at all.

    A country should absolutely know who is inside its borders at all times.

    The current system doesn't keep track of anyone. I live in London and I could hop on a ferry to Ireland tomorrow and the UK government would have no idea that I have left the country.

    One of the Major issues with the Brexit campaign was that noone had any ****ing idea how many foreign nations were actually in the country, never mind how many were actively working.
    So the people who were campaigning for Brexit could say any number they wanted and there was no evidence back it up or to to counter it.

    Someone in Ireland for example could book a ferry under a false name, go to the UK, commit a crime and return on the ferry to Ireland. The UK has no idea you even entered the country and Ireland didnt know you left. There are no border checks on that ferry crossing.


  • #16
    wes
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    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Its not pointless at all.

    A country should absolutely know who is inside its borders at all times.

    It is when you already have that information from visa applications etc.

    Secondly, naming and shaming companies for hiring to many immigrants is pointless, and utterly stupid, and borderline facist.
    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    The current system doesn't keep track of anyone. I live in London and I could hop on a ferry to Ireland tomorrow and the UK government would have no idea that I have left the country.

    So what? Why does the UK government need to know you have left? Surely, they will figure it out, when they see you aren't paying taxes or claiming the dole. What right does the UK government have to know that someone has decided to leave the country?
    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    One of the Major issues with the Brexit campaign was that noone had any ****ing idea how many foreign nations were actually in the country, never mind how many were actively working.

    So the people who were campaigning for Brexit could say any number they wanted and there was no evidence back it up or to to counter it.

    Yeah, and seeing as there leaving, they will have that information via Visa applications etc.
    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Someone in Ireland for example could book a ferry under a false name, go to the UK, commit a crime and return on the ferry to Ireland. The UK has no idea you even entered the country and Ireland didnt know you left. There are no border checks on that ferry crossing.

    I can travel by train and give a false name and travel from Dublin to County Cork, commit a crime, and return to Dublin. No one the wiser. So, we should put up checkpoint around all our counties? How about checkpoints at every street?


  • #17
    Riddle101
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    The plan, under consideration by the Home Office, is designed to ensure British workers get preference for any new jobs.

    I don't like the sound of that at all. Looks like it will lead to discrimination towards people who aren't British, most notably Irish people.


  • #18
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Is that not the same as the Amber Rudd thread?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #19
    The flying mouse
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    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    I don't think there is anything wrong with this as long as it targets companies which are purposely hiring foreigners for whatever reason and discriminating against British candidates of equal or better qualifications.

    I agree with this.


  • #20
    VinLieger
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Don't see an issue sounds like a Great Idea lets do it EU wide. See what companies are playing fairly.

    Baffling


  • #21
    CMOTDibbler
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    The flying mouse wrote: »
    I agree with this.
    How does this proposal purport to do that?


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  • #22
    darkpagandeath
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Baffling

    Don't see how. Would be very nice to see those business types on the news have a light shone into their hiring practice. Especially the ones saying how good immigration is.


  • #23
    steddyeddy
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    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Not sure why they wouldn't already have this information.
    To work you need a PPS number (in this case, the UK equivalent) and that is something the government will already have.

    When I had to get my national insurance number (NIN) I produced letters from my employers ect only to be told they didn't need them. EU citizens have the right to work anywhere in the EU. I suspect they'll be tightening up those rules.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    I think the plan is more to do with employing illegals than anything else, in and around London there are huge numbers of illegal immigrants who are "under the radar" because they are employed by companies who exploit the fact that they're illegal and therefore pay them an illegally low wage cash in hand.

    Nothing at all to do with EU citizens who have the right to work there.


  • #25
    Harvey Normal
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    wes wrote: »
    The purpose has nothing to do with knowing about who is, and isn't the country. The stated intention is to "name and shame" companies who are hiring Johnny Foreigner.

    Is it? After the UK leaves the EU of course companies will need to provide working visas to whomever they employ outside the UK, as they do now for non-EU employment.


  • #26
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think the plan is more to do with employing illegals than anything else, in and around London there are huge numbers of illegal immigrants who are "under the radar" because they are employed by companies who exploit the fact that they're illegal and therefore pay them an illegally low wage cash in hand.

    Nothing at all to do with EU citizens who have the right to work there.

    If they meant that, they would surely have said 'non-EU' workers instead of 'foreign' workers?


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    If they meant that, they would surely have said 'non-EU' workers instead of 'foreign' workers?
    Foreign sounds better than non-EU in the press.

    Anyway, it's this comment that makes me think its to do with employing illegals.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37561035
    Ms Rudd said she wanted to "flush out" companies abusing existing rules and "nudge them into better behaviour".


  • #28
    skywanderer
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    Britain will soon be an Independent Country and can do whatever it likes having gained its Independence from the EU. Ireland should also leave the EU, these multi-nation organisations serve no purpose other than to erode sovereignty. I also firmly believe Ireland should leave the United Nations and any other organisation that tries to impose their will under the guise of Human Rights or other such Politically Correct nonsense. The UN was setup to preserve world peace but has started to the same way of the league of nations. The UN Security Council is a sick joke and the sooner its abolished the better.


  • #29
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    skywanderer wrote: »
    Britain will soon be an Independent Country and

    Britain is an island not a country


  • #30
    wes
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    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    Is it? After the UK leaves the EU of course companies will need to provide working visas to whomever they employ outside the UK, as they do now for non-EU employment.

    Yes, it is the stated aim to shame companies.


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  • #31
    VinLieger
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    skywanderer wrote: »
    Ireland should also leave the EU, these multi-nation organisations serve no purpose other than to erode sovereignty.

    Improved trade through open borders?


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