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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    A scary report on the Gulen Charter Schools in America.
    "Robert Amsterdam, lawyer at Amsterdam & Partners LLP, holds press conference updating the public on the latest developments and upcoming legal suits relating to alleged illegal conduct by the U.S. charter school network controlled by controversial Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen."


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    God has taken time out from his busy schedule to provide conflicting guidance to two sets of his sheep on the matter of - you guessed it - sex, marriage and contraception.

    In the liberal corner, we have a statement from the Wijngaards Institute for Catholic Research signed by around 150 religious researchers and their supporters:

    http://trs.cua.edu/humanae-vitae/

    And in the traditionalist corner, we have a response from the Catholic University of America undersigned by a much greater number of men and women:

    http://trs.cua.edu/humanae-vitae/

    Summary of Wijngaards' position: Contraception can be OK.
    CUA response: Never!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    An easier to watch video here about the Gulen Schools.


    Obviously made before the recent coup in Turkey, after which a lot of these teachers still in Turkey were sacked and/or jailed.

    There are some apparent contradictions in the Gulen philosophy, eg the emphasis on teaching science and maths, while also being unashamedly Islamic. IMO if you teach people too much science, they tend to drop religion.

    He's an interesting character, and one we'll hear more about in the future I think. Maybe a bit of a guru (he likes to have a materially comfortable lifestyle) But also one with considerable vision and political ambitions.

    Possibly he has observed the success of the Zionist approach and wishes to emulate it. The Jewish diaspora in the US is extremely wealthy and powerful. They control hospitals and clinics. They value good education and lucrative careers. Their influence in Washington ensures that Israel is protected and receives massive ongoing aid from the US taxpayer. In religious terms, they keep a low and respectable profile. Many American "Jews" are actually atheists, but still maintain some cultural loyalty to their group and to Israel.
    The end result of all this activity is that Zionism and a Jewish State seems quite acceptable to the average American, whereas Islam and an Islamic state is not. Gulen could change that, in time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    More a hazard of unbelief; another blasphemer bites the dust.
    A prominent Jordanian writer was shot dead by an Islamist gunman yesterday outside the courtroom where he was due to stand trial for offending Islam by sharing a cartoon on Facebook.
    The gunman was.. a 49-year-old imam who was wearing traditional Islamic robes at the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    this was the cartoon he was killed for

    Cr7lPQNXEAA1eZX.jpg:small

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    recedite wrote: »
    More a hazard of unbelief; another blasphemer bites the dust.

    Do you really say "bites the dust" when another human being is murdered?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Do you really say "bites the dust" when another human being is murdered?
    I blame it on John Wayne and Freddy Mercury :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Does anyone actually find these blasphemous cartoons funny?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Not as a rule, no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    recedite wrote: »
    Does anyone actually find these blasphemous cartoons funny?

    The one linked? No. Tacky and tasteless.

    Some are hilarious, some are brutally unfunny.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    The one linked? No. Tacky and tasteless.

    Some are hilarious, some are brutally unfunny.

    Concerning the one above, surely what is tacky is the idea that a suitable heavenly reward for a man is access to 72 virgins and an unlimited buffet?

    A cartoon satirizing such a thing is not nearly as tacky as the concept itself, and even one person realizes that, then I think it will have done its job.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Concerning the one above, surely what is tacky is the idea that a suitable heavenly reward for a man is access to 72 virgins and an unlimited buffet?

    A cartoon satirizing such a thing is not nearly as tacky as the concept itself, and even one person realizes that, then I think it will have done its job.

    Fair enough, but that doesn't make it funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Fair enough, but that doesn't make it funny.

    The idea that satire is meant to make people laugh is fairly new, and IMO a bit of an abuse of the word. I don't imagine people were splitting their sides at Dean Swift's suggestion of a few good recipes for the Irish to cook their babies.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    volchitsa wrote: »
    The idea that satire is meant to make people laugh is fairly new, and IMO a bit of an abuse of the word. I don't imagine people were splitting their sides at Dean Swift's suggestion of a few good recipes for the Irish to cook their babies.

    If satire isn't supposed to be funny, it's certainly supposed to be clever. The cartoon in question is neither.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    If satire isn't supposed to be funny, it's certainly supposed to be clever. The cartoon in question is neither.

    it doesn't matter though does it, its the right to be able to do with without being killed, everything else is subjective

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    silverharp wrote: »
    it doesn't matter though does it, its the right to be able to do with without being killed, everything else is subjective

    Oh, absolutely. Nobody is arguing that satirists - even unclever, unfunny ones - should be killed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Oh, absolutely. Nobody is arguing that satirists - even unclever, unfunny ones - should be killed.
    Well, nobody here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Tempers flare at the Longford Islamic Centre.
    Not sure what its all about, except its something to do with a perceived lack of democracy within the religion in the matter of appointing the clerics.
    In that respect, its no different to the RCC really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I'd be getting those fancy Apple ear buds and have instructions feeding in :D

    https://t.co/LYdr009AqT

    CtiEkseWAAArOgn.jpg

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    silverharp wrote: »
    I'd be getting those fancy Apple ear buds and have instructions feeding in :D
    There are metal detectors and mandatory searches at these things now. Sad, really, but there are plenty of people who've been caught with a computer or being fed moves like this. For example,
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/chess-grandmaster-caught-using-iphone-to-cheat-during-international-tournament/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    silverharp wrote: »
    I'd be getting those fancy Apple ear buds and have instructions feeding in :D

    https://t.co/LYdr009AqT

    CtiEkseWAAArOgn.jpg

    But, but most hijab wearers do it by choice. :rolleyes:

    Can't see many of the top women going there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    Didn't some mad cleric declare chess haram recently?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    16 Da'esh members join the hallowed annals of the Darwin Awards after getting blown up...thanks to a malfunctioning bomb belt during a meeting in a town 55km southwest of Kirkuk. Link.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    They were warned to stop hanging their jackets on the radiators...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    16 Da'esh members join the hallowed annals of the Darwin Awards after getting blown up...thanks to a malfunctioning bomb belt during a meeting in a town 55km southwest of Kirkuk. Link.

    Love it when this sort of thing happens.

    You wouldn't get that with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I honestly cant see the appeal :pac:

    CuA0dvSXEAEqJdS.jpg:small

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    silverharp wrote: »
    I honestly cant see the appeal [...]
    Nor indeed, can one see the en-bagged, and presumably surplus, first wife.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I think those eyelashes may have been photo-shopped.


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