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Australians starting to see through the fiction!?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    yeah , i lived across the road for a bit on william street. working in the lord Roberts on Stanley street for the past 3 years part time. love that area.

    cheers for the tip , Im well overdue a trip out to Manly soon...
    haha, must try and watch this documentary and see how BS it actually is , might be worth a giggle
    Apart from Kingsford, the other place I lived was right across the road from The Winery on Crown & Oxford street. Amazing place, though my first day walking to work past Stonewall and The Midnight Club was... interesting. Quite the ego boost though, because my god it turns out I'm popular with the gay crowd!! :pac:

    First date tip - Shady Pines! Love that place. Randomly enough when I arrived in Canada and was staying in a backpackers (if you ever move to Toronto go to Planet Traveler if you're staying in a hostel at first, as good as Bounce or Wakeup) I wound up in the same room as an ex bartender there and a manager from Good God Small Club down on Liverpool Street. Small little world. :)

    You can also get (or in 2012 could at least) Butler's chocolate at Thomas Dux right beside The Winery. Pricey, but as you know yourself even though they have to to stop it from melting, the chocolate in Australia is muck. A room mate of mine from around Paramatta freaked out completely because it started melting in his fingers, had to laugh at that one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    This is like one of those conversations you overhear on a bus :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I lived in Toronto and agree that the Irish can be very insular- in my case it was just that I found the Canadian sense of humour didn't generally mesh very well with my own and the Irish did. Don't get me wrong- I made many Canadian friends who I still speak to regularly.
    I definitely found that there was a sense of "we're away from Mammy so we can get away with anything!!" mentality with a lot of Irish I met there. I saw more coke in the year I was there than in the 27 years previous in Dublin!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    This is like one of those conversations you overhear on a bus :p

    From a load of lads at the back, slugging cans of Stonehouse cider and making statements like "Australia?? Sure isn't that where Arnold Schwarzenegger's from??"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Ps: If your an alcoholic or heavy drinker!? you will not understand or have any empathy towards my post.

    Sure going abstention! Today I'm understood having reading yous poster (posts) thinking though that the meaning your after having is implied by your language. Or well, the usage of it, at least.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I lived in Toronto and agree that the Irish can be very insular- in my case it was just that I found the Canadian sense of humour didn't generally mesh very well with my own and the Irish did. Don't get me wrong- I made many Canadian friends who I still speak to regularly.
    I definitely found that there was a sense of "we're away from Mammy so we can get away with anything!!" mentality with a lot of Irish I met there. I saw more coke in the year I was there than in the 27 years previous in Dublin!

    Yeah I get what you mean there, I was around Kensington and the annex and found it less of an issue there but it still could be and was really bad in certain areas. Mainly in terms of turns of phrase.

    Oh listen come here to me... No no, I didn't literally mean for you to wall fight over to me! :D

    But yeah, a tonne of that mentality around and it was a bit of a pain in the arse frankly. Couple of places like mcveighs or around yonge/eg were particularly bad for it in my opinion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    An apartment share.. Yeah sounds just like the 'apartments' in Kilburn North London back in the 80s lol.. Is that really a life :confused:

    Yeah, 10 piss soaked mattresses on the floor (including the hall and jacks floor). You'd need to be hammered drunk to bear that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Billy86 wrote: »
    $27 an hour? Breadline? That's just north of $50,000 a year! What planet is this contact from? I was on less than that an buying fillet steak and lobster when the mood struck - and no, that is not hyperbolic! Fillet steak in Paddy's Market, and lobster from the fish market. You can get a decent steak or chicken parmesan dinner out most nights of the week for $10, with a side salad and mash or chips included - not just in dingy spots either, good places on Darling Harbour etc.

    I was on min wage for most of it (sales job so I earned a good bit in commission on top but saved about 90% of that for when I came home). That was $21.82 a week, if I recall $770 over a 35 hour week, $660ish after tax. Rent and bills were about $220ish a week (they do weekly rent over there, not monthly) first in Surry Hills and then in a lovely place in Kingsford, both with two other roommates. The public transport pass covered all trains, buses and ferries, and if I recall cost about $40. Factor in phone credit, household items like bog roll, bin bags etc and I still had about $375 or so disposable income per week. Again, on min wage without even touching my commission!

    If people want to go out on the cheap, there are places that do $2-3 drinks until late, and that usually extended to a good 2-3 beer brands, 2-3 wines, and 2-3 types of spirits. Cheap booze and usually (not always!) in dives granted, but the fact is you could go out somewhere decent for a steak dinner after work, then go for 4-5 drinks after, and not even go through one hour's worth of wages.

    Food shopping is reasonably expensive there, but not obscene. I've been cooking for myself since I was about 6 so had an advantage, but I kept pushing it on people and still do - google is basically an infinitely huge cookbook, and you can eat very well on very little money in most places if you know how to cook for yourself, rather than eating out all the time or buying overpriced ready meals/frozen pizzas etc. You can make your own 9" cheese pizza for less than a dollar for example and top it off with whatever is in the fridge, or a big pot of bolognese for about $1-1.25 per portion and so on. But even for those too lazy for that, you have $375 a week to feed yourself on - that's about $75 a day when a steak dinner costs $10!!!

    The people complaining about not having a penny to scratch together in Australia were a mix of those working part time only, those who insisted on going to the ultra expensive nightclubs 3-4 times a week every single week, people who loved to spend half the nights coked out of their brains or on pills

    As for the Irish having a bad reputation over there or the psyche, I was sheepish as f*ck when I arrived and almost apologetic to them because of us having that reputation... almost every single Aussie was confused as nothing else about what the hell I was talking about? It's over blown self pitying nonsense by and large, spread by people who go to live in the likes of 'Irish/British backpacker ghettos' like Bondi or St. Kilda, insist on only going to Irish bars, only wind up hanging around with Irish people (and maybe the token Brit or two), typically working for Irish people, etc etc and basically do everything they can to ensure that they might as well have stayed at home and turned up the temperature. Then they turn around and say "the Aussies don't even want to know us!" and play the victim card. Also, Aussie employers tend to love Irish and British workers, we've got an excellent work ethic according to most of them.

    Absolute bullsh*t, that is. I'm not joking when I say I had more bad run ins with Irish people giving out about me mixing with Aussies, than I did from Aussies giving me grief for being Irish - the latter of which happened to me exactly once. There was plenty of 'banter' bullsh*t but that's just how they are, it's very rare that it's coming from a bad place with them. Also Australian women absolutely live up their reputation of being stunning, and absolutely love the Irish accent. :D




    In Canada I saw people struggling to make ends meet on their working holiday visas quite regularly, where prices are about the same but min wage is $11/hr. Australia (min wage $21.82)? Not a chance! Anyway sorry, I've gone off on a bit of a rant. :o

    Sounds pretty sweet in all honesty. How would an experienced computer engineer make out over there? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I lived in Toronto and agree that the Irish can be very insular- in my case it was just that I found the Canadian sense of humour didn't generally mesh very well with my own and the Irish did. Don't get me wrong- I made many Canadian friends who I still speak to regularly.
    I definitely found that there was a sense of "we're away from Mammy so we can get away with anything!!" mentality with a lot of Irish I met there. I saw more coke in the year I was there than in the 27 years previous in Dublin!

    Good point, the amount of folk I've seen coming back from Oz for holidays/weddings/permanently with a bit of a runny nose was mad.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭philstar


    but sure, everyone loves us...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭Timmyr


    Having lived in Oz for quite a while, I can tell you that is not the reason most places only hire Aussies.

    A lot of companies don't hire people non-permanent residents because they can only be employed for 6 months, and if they want to keep them after that the employer has to pay to "sponsor" the employee, which they can only do now after the prove your skill set cannot be sourced from within Australia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Irish people applying for jobs in Australia told 'we only hire Australians'
    That's racist, Irish lives matter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭GeneralVanilla


    philstar wrote: »
    but sure, everyone loves us...


    Whot hippened te the hard drinkin aussies.

    Stop cryin like a bunch a sheilas. For cripes sake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    I think Ireland is great all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I lived in Toronto and agree that the Irish can be very insular- in my case it was just that I found the Canadian sense of humour didn't generally mesh very well with my own and the Irish did. Don't get me wrong- I made many Canadian friends who I still speak to regularly.
    I definitely found that there was a sense of "we're away from Mammy so we can get away with anything!!" mentality with a lot of Irish I met there. I saw more coke in the year I was there than in the 27 years previous in Dublin!

    Yeah I get what you mean there, I was around Kensington and the annex and found it less of an issue there but it still could be and was really bad in certain areas. Mainly in terms of turns of phrase.

    Oh listen come here to me... No no, I didn't literally mean for you to wall fight over to me! :D

    But yeah, a tonne of that mentality around and it was a bit of a pain in the arse frankly. Couple of places like mcveighs or around yonge/eg were particularly bad for it in my opinion.
    Yonge/Eg is notoriously populated by Paddies. I never really strayed up that way if I could avoid it tbh- I lived at College and Bathurst, in a gaff with 8 other Irish people. Don't judge me, it was very cheap and a brilliant location.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Billy86 wrote:
    Of course more Irish people would know this if they talked to the locals a bit more!!


    Well maybe if the locals actually made the effort to go to Bondi Junction occasionally we might.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's all well and good,, but going by what my contact is telling me 27$ an hour sounds like 'bread-line'. He gave me a run down of>>rent, groceries, clothing etc etc>>serious money.....
    It depends, minimum wage is considerably less than $27p/h so it's not inconsiderable.
    Anyway I'm more interested in the psyche of the Irish when they move away from Mammy, apparently the girls are nothing to be proud of either!?

    Are you interested in the psyche of emigrants? It doesn't come across in your post. Wouldn't it be a good start to ask about it rather that rant about it?

    What are you most interested in about the psyche of Irish emigrants?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    Well maybe if the locals actually made the effort to go to Bondi Junction occasionally we might.
    Bondi Jct is actually a pretty dead spot at night. Compared to other areas (Kings X or suburbs out west) of the city the trouble you encounter there is trivial.

    The only reason it makes news is because a lot of the bordering Eastern Suburbs are fairly affluent areas are the folks there are worried about the price of their property falling due to backpackers coming in.

    The problem the Australian government has is that they NEED backpackers/WHVers to be spending the money they earn, going out and partying, not saving it for when they move onto NZ/SE Asia/Rest of World. Otherwise the scheme doesn't make any financial sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Yonge/Eg is notoriously populated by Paddies. I never really strayed up that way if I could avoid it tbh- I lived at College and Bathurst, in a gaff with 8 other Irish people. Don't judge me, it was very cheap and a brilliant location.

    You lived on college and Bathurst? Ha, I lived on bellevue right beside the little church with the F***ING CREEPY BEGGAR STATUE OUTSIDE! If you never got burgernator, sneakys or rasta pasta, you're a fool good sir! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yonge/Eg is notoriously populated by Paddies. I never really strayed up that way if I could avoid it tbh- I lived at College and Bathurst, in a gaff with 8 other Irish people. Don't judge me, it was very cheap and a brilliant location.

    You lived on college and Bathurst? Ha, I lived on bellevue right beside the little church with the F***ING CREEPY BEGGAR STATUE OUTSIDE! If you never got burgernator, sneakys or rasta pasta, you're a fool good sir! :D
    I hated that statue!! It freaked me the f**k out the first time I saw it! And yes, I lived right opposite Sneaks so frequented it often!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    This doesn't surprise me at all. The Irish in Australia that I know are disgrace and should actually learn some manners. Sweeping generalisation I know some good people there too.

    But there is a huge amount of the "Full Time mad bastard" brigade as well as several graduates of the "University of Life" and "Buzzers Institute of Further Education".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    philstar wrote: »
    but sure, everyone loves us...


    Cock and Bull (in the video at the start) - Bondi Junction
    Tea Gardens - Bondi Junction
    Scruffy Murphy's - Sydney CBD

    Frequented by the exact types I had my little rant about, avoid like the absolute plague! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    When talking about hourly rates and pay in Australia can we please refer to the currency as Dollarydoos and not Dollars.

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    valoren wrote: »
    When talking about hourly rates and pay in Australia can we please refer to the currency as Dollarydoos and not Dollars.

    :pac:

    Try ordering a coffee on a Monday morning!! :mad:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Qiaonasen wrote:
    This doesn't surprise me at all. The Irish in Australia that I know are disgrace and should actually learn some manners. Sweeping generalisation I know some good people there too.

    If they weren't in Australia being mad bastards, what do you think they would be doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,586 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    If they weren't in Australia being mad bastards, what do you think they would be doing?

    The Hardy Bucks, pretty much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    If they weren't in Australia being mad bastards, what do you think they would be doing?

    During my time there I proposed moving them to work camps in the outback. I got some support from local politicians in Perth but was unable to elicit a response from Parliament despite travelling to Canberra on more than one occasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    During my time there I proposed moving them to work camps in the outback. I got some support from local politicians in Perth but was unable to elicit a response from Parliament despite travelling to Canberra on more than one occasion.

    Why on earth did you quote me in that?


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