Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

yaboya1 · 04-10-2016 09:44AM

nop98 wrote: »

as the great FBOT says

How much is he paying you??

kittyclaws · 04-10-2016 09:50AM

This might suit people who are doing their last LSR alone..
St Coca's Athletics Club in Kilcock, Kildare are doing a 34k fun run this Saturday at 9am. There is pacers, water stops, back up bikes & cars and food afterwards. No fee - donations for St Gabriels Ward.
Info on their Facebook event page - search for 'Run With Jamie for St Gabriel's Ward Temple Street'

budhistmonk · 04-10-2016 10:03AM

So went out for an easy 5 miles yesterday and the planter fasciitis pain under my left foot is not as under control as I thought. It wasn't too bad and I was still able to finish but worse than it was during my LSR on Sat. I think I urgently need to see my PT so we can come up with a plan but found out last night that he is on vacation until next week. I've a 20m in the plan for next weekend so wondering if I should skip the lsr or skip the mid-week runs this week (5m pace tomorrow and 5m easy on Thur) and then try the LSR or stop running completely until I see him next week. Really would love to get the 20 miles under the belt but need to ensure I don't jeopardize the overall goal.

I'm doing plenty of icing, rolling and stretching (calf and under-foot) as well as taking an anti-inflamatory once a day so hopefully I am on the right course. Pain was annoying first thing this morning but feels a lot better now.

Any pearls of wisdom or advice greatly received.

smashiner · 04-10-2016 10:13AM

FBOT01 wrote: »

smashiner wrote: »

Ah here now let's not tarnish the reputations of so many for the short coming of a very small minority..........3 out of 39 if my memory serves me correctly

PS and 1 of the 3 only missed it by 5secs

Yes FBOT, a formal written apology is now being offered to all, as I should have known not to believe the hype in the pub afterwards that 'sure lots of pacers didn't make their times', as Jim Diamond said 'I should have know better' :rolleyes:

P.S. I missed my time in 2014 by 48 minutes (heat and Man Flu combo) and probably wouldn't have finished only that fellow Novice aquinn dragged me along by the ear for about 3 miles when I was FUBAR at the KCR. I wasn't sure if she was actually real until I met her in the pub after the DCM ......:D

faithmc · 04-10-2016 10:46AM

Hi all,

I'm brand new to Boards but I feel it's a sign that I lurked here this morning and saw this thread and your post budhistmonk. I'm in the same boat with a foot injury. I haven't read back as the thread is so long now so just gonna jump in at the deep end.

I'll make this as brief as I can. I decided at Christmas 2015 that I was gonna do the marathon this year. Reason is emotionally driven. I started training mid-January 2016 after a few very half assed attempts at jogging in 2014/2015 and never going anything more than 10km after maybe 6 weeks training. I completed my 1st Half Marathon in June this year in 2hrs 24. I've bested that since down to 2hrs 19. My longest distance to date is 15 miles in 2hrs 44. I think I might have done better there but it started as a 5 mile event that I did last year in just over the hour so naturally I wanted to better that and did so in 48 mins and kept going for a further 10 miles. Think the 5 mile race impacted on my overall result but regardless I have 15 miles under my belt. I was due to do the 3/4 in Longwood this Sunday as my last long run but I did something to my foot last Thursday. Nothing of note happened except I noticed my foot hurting. Ran thru it but it really hurt afterwards. I started icing, resting and difene but ended up in hospital on Friday night until yesterday with musculoskeletal chest pain (pain only Friday night...monitored all weekend). Nothing sinister in any of my bloodworks, xrays or monitoring. In fact my resting heartrate indicates I'm very fit and they didn't (thankfully for my foot) think my returns warranted stress testing but Doc advised I listen to my body and maybe give Sunday a miss. My body says I can run but my foot doesn't. I'm not allowed take oral difene anymore but have the gel.

So that's me in a nutshell. I'm panicking if i don't do this run on Sunday I'll not be able. Am I crazy to think I should try it anyways. If I do and my foot gives out am I doing more damage. Is it too close to do a 20 mile run next weekend instead which I really didn't want to have to do. I've done all my long runs on my own as no one in my running club is doing the marathon...(well they are but they'll be sub 3hr 20 at most) so I wanted this run to get a race experience under my belt. My plan was to run with the 3hr 30 pacer just to see how i go and how a pacer works. My plan for the marathon was to go with the 4hr 40 pacer.

Any advice greatly appreciated. I'm a ball of panic

Maximus Alexander · 04-10-2016 10:49AM

If the doctor told you to skip the 20 miles, you'd be pretty stupid to do it imo. Certainly nobody here is going to advise you to ignore your doctor.

faithmc · 04-10-2016 11:12AM

That's why I'm asking the rest of the questions Maximus Alexander...As I said...I'm panicking.

I've never done a marathon before and just I'm feeling pretty down after all my efforts. Just looking for any advice or other runners experience of getting thru the marathon if they haven't achieved a last long run. Or just some hope that all is not lost

kittyclaws · 04-10-2016 11:20AM

faithmc wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the rest of the questions Maximus Alexander...As I said...I'm panicking.

I've never done a marathon before and just I'm feeling pretty down after all my efforts. Just looking for any advice or other runners experience of getting thru the marathon if they haven't achieved a last long run. Or just some hope that all is not lost

I'd go to a physio asap if I was you. Could be a number of things, they might be able to massage it out or it might be the start of something more sinister, doctors err on the side of caution and will recommend rest but a physio will give you stretches and a recovery plan and do their best to get you to the marathon.
Until you can see a physio stick your foot in a bucket of icy water twice a day for 11 minutes and roll your foot on a frozen bottle of water for a couple of minutes too just in case it is plantar fasciitis.
Best of luck with it, forget the 3/4 and focus on the main thing. With a bit of luck you'll just have to postpone your long run til the middle of next week.

The Muppet · 04-10-2016 11:21AM

faithmc wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the rest of the questions Maximus Alexander...As I said...I'm panicking.

I've never done a marathon before and just I'm feeling pretty down after all my efforts. Just looking for any advice or other runners experience of getting thru the marathon if they haven't achieved a last long run. Or just some hope that all is not lost

There's a lot going on in your post Faith have you asked the doctor if he/she considers it safe for you to run a marathon ?

I certain would not run if told not to by a doctor.

boydkev · 04-10-2016 11:21AM

nop98 wrote: »

2 more LSRs to report on:

spaceylou - Well done, another with 20M in the bank. Not at all a surprise that you're tired after that, keep the feet up today. You don't have to worry about getting lost on the day itself! The mileage will come down slowly now, so well done.

boydkev - 15M is not too shabby as LSR distance, that Cobh-Cork race is on my bucketlist but I never seem to make it. 8.10/8.20 seems way too fast though (given the discussion raging above), what is your target for the day?

Yes nop98 the pace that i did was a bit too fast. I will be doing another LSR this weekend (16 or 18m) and bring the time back above my predicted MP. I am looking for a MP of 8.25/30 which will bring me in around the 3:40:00.

The Black Oil · 04-10-2016 11:25AM

Not much sleep last night as a neighbour's alarm wouldn't shut up. 5 miles done. 2-3 was a little rusty. Drawstring on the shorts broke, always good to have spares.

Maximus Alexander · 04-10-2016 11:27AM

faithmc wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the rest of the questions Maximus Alexander...As I said...I'm panicking.

I've never done a marathon before and just I'm feeling pretty down after all my efforts. Just looking for any advice or other runners experience of getting thru the marathon if they haven't achieved a last long run. Or just some hope that all is not lost

I can understand the worry and disappointment, if anything happens to me in the next four weeks I'll be devastated too. But there's no need to panic about it, you have to be sensible. Follow your doctor's advice and if, in the end, you don't make it to the start line on the 30th then there will be other marathons, but you'll never have another body.

I hope the recovery goes well for you, but please be sensible.

faithmc · 04-10-2016 12:37PM

Thanks for the replies everyone. Just to clarify, the doctor told me to listen to my body regarding the 3/4 on Sunday coming...not the actual Marathon. The motivation for "this" marathon is specific personally and emotionally so any other marathon isn't really an option but I do only have one body. Just gotta hope someone is looking out for me and gets me there!!! Any other similar experience, advice or tips greatly appreciated.

robinwing · 04-10-2016 12:51PM

faithmc wrote: »

Thanks for the replies everyone. Just to clarify, the doctor told me to listen to my body regarding the 3/4 on Sunday coming...not the actual Marathon. The motivation for "this" marathon is specific personally and emotionally so any other marathon isn't really an option but I do only have one body. Just gotta hope someone is looking out for me and gets me there!!! Any other similar experience, advice or tips greatly appreciated.

If you have a few long runs under your belt already don't worry about missing a last long run this weekend if you are not 100% . Doing a long run while risking further injury is asking for trouble . If this is your first marathon the excitement and buzz of the day will carry you along and release hidden energies you did not even know you possess . I am going back to running after a 32 year break and remember doing long runs while injured and all I got out of it was further injury and missed start lines .

tailgunner · 04-10-2016 12:58PM

faithmc wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the rest of the questions Maximus Alexander...As I said...I'm panicking.

I've never done a marathon before and just I'm feeling pretty down after all my efforts. Just looking for any advice or other runners experience of getting thru the marathon if they haven't achieved a last long run. Or just some hope that all is not lost

Is 15 miles the farthest you've ever run? What is your running experience in general (weekly mileage, etc)?

This is probably not what you want to hear, but unless you have a few years running behind you, I wouldn't attempt the marathon this year if I was in your position - never mind the 3/4.

Appreciate you have personal reasons for wanting to do it this year, so if you really are going to go for it, I'd skip the 3/4 this weekend. 15 miles is a decent distance to have under your belt, but it's a big, big jump from that to 20 - nearly an hour longer on your feet in your case.

Do your own three-hour run this weekend, without worrying about the distance, and then taper well. I still think you'll have a very tough time on the day, but that's about the best you can hope for really.

Again though, I really think you should skip it this year. Get a good, consistent year of running under your belt, and give it a really good go in 2017.

kin9pin · 04-10-2016 01:01PM

The Black Oil wrote: »

Not much sleep last night as a neighbour's alarm wouldn't shut up. 5 miles done. 2-3 was a little rusty. Drawstring on the shorts broke, always good to have spares.

Good tip. Always carry a spare drawstring on your runs

Seriously though, I'd say we all know what shorts we'll wear on the day so that would really throw me if it happened to THAT pair on the 30th.

faithmc · 04-10-2016 01:13PM

Thanks Robinwing and Tailgunner...conflicting responses there!!!!!!! To be honest I'm not expecting any great time. Plan was to run with the 4hr 40 pacer and see where that got me. It's never been about timing...it's about finishing it. Yes 15 is my longest to date thus my panic about missing this weekend but I also felt ready for this weekend if that makes sense...I wasn't daunted by it. I do two or three 4-6.5 miles during the week and then whatever long run is on my planner for the weekend. I put my details into the Asics running planner when I entered the half marathon back in April and have followed that plan as best as I can while allowing for 24hr shifts at work. Have been on to my physical therapist so hopefully he gets back to me with an appointment before the weekend. Was due to see him Monday anyways for after the 3/4 so have that in the wings. Will keep going with the icing and gel. It's not aligning to the S&S of planter faciitis or achillies heel so just stumped

paddydriver · 04-10-2016 01:16PM

Sat here having a coffee and sambo for lunch in an Insomnia coffee shop and started to have a read back thru when the thread all started 6 months ago.. It's like reading about our first days in school..

As we begin tapering soon, it would be interesting to maybe hear from all those that started out in the thread and let us know how it's going and what their current thoughts are and how they've maybe revised targets up or down. Obviously don't want to be stirring up any bad news or upsetting anyone that's had to depart due to injury etc so apologies if it comes across bad..

As an aside, just for below article in my FB feed so might a light read for you all.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/fitness/nearly-there-don-t-let-worry-take-over-the-final-stage-of-marathon-training-1.2770999

Best of Luck in the weeks ahead and here's to happy miles.. ☺

PauloMN · 04-10-2016 01:28PM

faithmc wrote: »

Thanks Robinwing and Tailgunner...conflicting responses there!!!!!!! To be honest I'm not expecting any great time. Plan was to run with the 4hr 40 pacer and see where that got me. It's never been about timing...it's about finishing it. Yes 15 is my longest to date thus my panic about missing this weekend but I also felt ready for this weekend if that makes sense...I wasn't daunted by it. I do two or three 4-6.5 miles during the week and then whatever long run is on my planner for the weekend. I put my details into the Asics running planner when I entered the half marathon back in April and have followed that plan as best as I can while allowing for 24hr shifts at work. Have been on to my physical therapist so hopefully he gets back to me with an appointment before the weekend. Was due to see him Monday anyways for after the 3/4 so have that in the wings. Will keep going with the icing and gel. It's not aligning to the S&S of planter faciitis or achillies heel so just stumped

Agree with all the advice above - the only thing I would add is that I would completely revise your target time. If your best HM time is 2:19, then 4:40 marathon won't happen imo esp. with missed training and injury. I'd target somewhere around the 5 hour mark, and be prepared for a run/walk strategy - just enjoy the day and take you time around the course.

kittyclaws · 04-10-2016 01:37PM

I was just about to type what PauloMN said. You have similar times to me and I'm planning on trying to stick between the 4.50 & 5hr pacers. Tho I've recently missed three long runs so just aiming to finish at this stage!

Here's a great finishing time predictor http://www.runnersworld.com/tools/race-time-predictor

Maximus Alexander · 04-10-2016 01:49PM

paddydriver wrote: »

Sat here having a coffee and sambo for lunch in an Insomnia coffee shop and started to have a read back thru when the thread all started 6 months ago.. It's like reading about our first days in school..

Prompted me to go back and look at my first post in the thread. At first I was all like "I probably won't do it this year but I'll follow along with you guys." I don't when that turned into me definitely doing it in four weeks and being the 4th most prolific poster in the thread... :eek::eek:

tailgunner · 04-10-2016 02:09PM

faithmc wrote: »

Thanks Robinwing and Tailgunner...conflicting responses there!!!!!!!

Welcome to the internet!

It sounds like robinwing's advice was based on the assumption that you have a few long runs under your belt, but I don't think that's the case?

To be very clear, I wasn't advocating you run with an injury. No-one here is in a position to assess your foot and tell you if you'll be okay to run this weekend - it goes without saying to follow your doctor's advice on that.

But if you are okay to run, keep it to three hours max. You have more to lose than gain by pushing for the 20 miles.

Also I'd throw any target time for the marathon right out the window. Just go out and enjoy it.

Best of luck!

faithmc · 04-10-2016 02:36PM

I'm not sure how to "quote" like you guys do...as I said I'm brand new to this!!!

PauloMN...You're spot on there. I hadn't a notion of getting 4hr 40 lol. I just thought that was the last pacer category available so was gonna potter off with them and take it as it came. I definitely have it in my head that there'll be a walk/run pattern for the last 6-8 miles anyways.

Kittyclaws...sounds like we're in a similar boat. I've done 3 HM back to back before the 15 miles. I missed Sunday gone and looks like this Sunday too. I'll watch out for you so if my foot plays ball and lets me go. Thanks for the link...I'll have a gawk now.

Tailgunner...oh the internet is a contradiction like nothing else hahaha. I know you weren't advocating running on an injury. I've pretty much accepted this weekend is out for the sake of getting to the 30th which is the main goal. If I can run at all this weekend i'll do whatever my foot allows be it 2 miles or 10. Keeping the limbs warm and injury free is where it's at for me right now.

Would next weekend be too close to the Marathon to put in a long run IF my foot was to play ball.

kin9pin · 04-10-2016 03:28PM

kittyclaws wrote: »

Here's a great finishing time predictor http://www.runnersworld.com/tools/race-time-predictor

Is it just me or does that just give an error?

kittyclaws · 04-10-2016 03:34PM

kin9pin wrote: »

Is it just me or does that just give an error?

Working for me - but could be a wonky link coz I'm on a Mac

Google Runners World Marathon Time Predictor, it's a new calculator they only launched this week. Supposedly more accurate than McMillan.

Maximus Alexander · 04-10-2016 03:54PM

kittyclaws wrote: »

Working for me - but could be a wonky link coz I'm on a Mac
Google Runners World Marathon Time Predictor, it's a new calculator they only launched this week. Supposedly more accurate than McMillan.

McMillan: 3:49:09
Runner's World: 4:01:21

McMillan is way better. :pac:

Safrongirl · 04-10-2016 03:59PM

Hi everyone ,
feeling like total poo here - cant shake of this bloody cold - constantly freezing as I sit in front of my stove with 3 jumpers on . Did a short 5km run on threadmill yesterday and sweat just dripped of me - luckily got straight into the shower but cant even imagine how I will do my LSR this week. Was even thinking of wearing a long sleeve top for my run as Iam feeling so cold all the time. And as I am feeling so crap I am not eating well - have lost 7lb since last week which is not good as I really cannot afford to loose any weight .
As its only a stupid cold I have to wait till it runs its course but as its not shifting I am getting very fed up. Everyone in work dosed and along with a vomiting bug thats going the rounds - whats the best I get that next ?

Oh I am really not feeling it.

Got my copy of the Irish Runners mag yesterday and hubby was reading it while I was back in for my second shift last night and when I came home he starts telling me what I should be doing - what I should be eating !!! I think he has finally realised this is happening but also glad he has taken such an interest if only a bit late.

Anyway depending on how I am feeling tomorow it will be my last atempt at 32km - bring on the taper

ligerdub · 04-10-2016 04:06PM

I had my first week off from running, pretty much all year. Post half marathon and sinus problems left me fairly unable to get the necessary training done.

My next run after that point was an 18km run which took just under 90 minutes. To be honest I felt great all the way through and afterwards.

I'm wondering if I just assume the level of training I was doing in the run-up to the HM straight away, ramp it up, or reduce?
I'm curious if I can fit in essentially 2 run-free weeks (last week and the week before the marathon) as good preparation for the race?

P.s. I put on 1kg in that idle week....oops!!

kin9pin · 04-10-2016 04:49PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

McMillan: 3:49:09
Runner's World: 4:01:21

McMillan is way better. :pac:

Runners world 4:01:45 for me. I'll just have to trust that I can go 1:46 quicker !

Safrongirl · 04-10-2016 04:58PM

Im not even going to say mine its so so wrong

But if it did happen I would be over the moon !!!!

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