Breaking dependence - enforcing sexual morals, restoring corporal punishment and hard

The flying mouse · 30-09-2016 10:34AM

Ah OP memories of a better time ...

Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me, would we?
Could we?

Memories may be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So it's the laughter we will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were
The way we were

ohnonotgmail · 30-09-2016 10:38AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

Ah OP memories of a better time ...

Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me, would we?
Could we?

Memories may be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So it's the laughter we will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were
The way we were

now i've got Barbara Streisand stuck in my head.

Autonomous Cowherd · 30-09-2016 10:45AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

OK I'll bite... The OP's delivery may need some (a LOT) of work, but there's an interesting topic in there nonetheless..

He IS right in that we as a society (The West) have become softer, more inward-looking and liberal in the last 30 years, and while this has been a good thing in many respects, it's also led to problems like a weaker/more ineffective justice system and a society that is less capable of dealing with "old school" threats like antisocial behaviour, criminality or indeed (to take it to an extreme) terrorism.

In our liberal, tolerant, politically-correct society where everything must be in-line with the agreed consensus on social media, and a traditional media with websites and 24 hours to fill normalising this, we find ourselves unable to deal effectively with those who don't "conform" with this outlook - whether it be feral kids who make life miserable for their neighbours, or radicalised terrorists causing mass destruction.

Not everything can be "talked out" or resolved by "examining your feelings" or validation by the online community, but I disagree with the OP's conclusions that corporal punishment, the exclusion of women from the Gardai, and demonising single mothers again is the way forward - although to be fair I think maybe this is more an extreme reaction to the frustration caused by this paralysis?

Surely there has to be a middle ground?

This.

The flying mouse · 30-09-2016 10:50AM

If you read through some of the trials and courts cases of yesterday years you'll very quickly realise that we have always been violence In fact the first thing to hit you will be how normal violence was back then - it was considered as just another tool to use to sort out disagreements and differences.

A lot of them were caused by drink, just the same as today. A lot caused by infidelity and jealousy, just like today.

People don't change, their vices don't change and their tempers don't change.

This throwaway and lock them up hard labour didn't work then and certainly wont work now.

sbsquarepants · 30-09-2016 10:53AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Been chasing dick all my life and wouldn't change a second of it

I've got one of those.
On an unrelated note, fancy a game of chasing?:D

Mr. CooL ICE · 30-09-2016 10:56AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Been chasing dick all my life and wouldn't change a second of it

It's your fault that the day is reckoning is upon us

(is that how this works?)

alchemist33 · 30-09-2016 11:00AM

brickmauser wrote: »

Is it any surprise scumbags who are the product of dingle mothers and inept teachers and a soft justice system go on to offend and offend and offend?

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- the sooner the Dingles are kicked out of Emmerdale, the better the place will be for everyone else.

Irish Guitarist · 30-09-2016 11:01AM

Three square meals AND a loaf?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-09-2016 11:04AM

brickmauser wrote:

In school they play truant or are defiantly disruptive - perhaps a subconscious demand to be loved rather than managed by teachers playing the surrogate parent role due to the fecklessness of their parents. The absence of punishment - violent painful punishment at the hands of a stick wielding male teacher - means they are scornful of female teachers who give them mere verbal reprimands - all that their mothers can do too incidentally since there is no father to administer a physical chastisement.

This is a long winded argument for Freud's theory of 'the hand of the father'. Isnt the the solution for fathers to be more active in raising their children?

brickmauser wrote:

Nip it in the bud at the very start and society will become safer and quieter. We can go back to the days of leaving our doors unlocked.

By men being more involved?

Presumably there are some cases where women make it difficult for men to be involved. The rest of the cases it's down to the men. That's what you're saying right? Men have abdicated their duty and society is going to pot

donegaLroad · 30-09-2016 11:13AM

This school replaced detention with meditation. The results are stunning.

Article here, very interesting imo

Instead of punishing disruptive kids or sending them to the principal's office, the Baltimore school has something called the Mindful Moment Room instead.
The room looks nothing like your standard windowless detention room. Instead, it's filled with lamps, decorations, and plush purple pillows. Misbehaving kids are encouraged to sit in the room and go through practices like breathing or meditation, helping them calm down and re-center. They are also asked to talk through what happened

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Since the school started the mindfulness program with the students, there have been no suspensions in one and a half years.

Summer wind · 30-09-2016 11:15AM

This thread reminds me of FR Jack standing in front of the class of terrified children and shouting "you'll burn in hell, HELL". Huge amount of chastising:)

hairyslug · 30-09-2016 11:18AM

Come on Mayo

PopePalpatine · 30-09-2016 11:24AM

Summer wind wrote: »

This thread reminds me of FR Jack standing in front of the class of terrified children and shouting "you'll burn in hell, HELL". Huge amount of chastising:)

I was thinking more of the clip where he's beating a child with a hurley.

CdeC · 30-09-2016 11:27AM

Didn't the Op harp on about abortion is wrong and makes you a murderer in a previously closed thread

So now being a single mother is wrong, make you a whore and your kid a bastard.

FFS give a girl a break.

Op is pro-choice

Whore or Murderer ladies?

30-09-2016 11:31AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

Article here, very interesting imo

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Since the school started the mindfulness program with the students, there have been no suspensions in one and a half years.

Mindfulness has managed to cure conductive disorders, mental health issues ect amazing. I am not being cynical and it is perhaps a good idea but any article about a complex issue that starts with ...results are stunning.

30-09-2016 11:34AM

There is a point in the fact the UN deceleration on human right and has been interpreted both legally and philosophically in a way that was never intended.

ThinkProgress · 30-09-2016 11:35AM

@OP - I had a father figure who was intimidating and was not averse to dishing out the odd beating when myself or my siblings got out of control... it never really stopped us from getting into trouble however. :P

He was raised the same way by his father, and yet has told us of countless tales when he disobeyed instructions and got into all manner of troubles himself.

To this day I don't hold any grudge towards him. I don't carry any permanent damage, either mental or physical from taking the occasional beating... in fact I don't think it had much of an impact of any kind on me - positive or negative.

His parenting style was no better or worse because of those occasional leatherings... I think I always knew where the line was anyway with regard to acceptable behavior. Most of us do, but sometimes we choose to cross that line regardless - especially when you're young.

I never did anything I would consider truly bad/evil/cruel etc... just typical teen misbehavior. Pushing boundaries etc.

The difference is that some people in every society have badness in them. You can't beat badness out of a person... in fact aggression towards someone with genuine bad/evil intentions, is more likely to exasperate their problems imo. (if it does anything at all)

brickmauser · 30-09-2016 11:39AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Honestly, it's a moral compass like the OP has that makes me wish Ireland had Second Amendment rights like the US. (S)he'd be "enforcing" those morals from the wrong end of the barrel...

Cops should be armed and law abiding people should have the right to defend themselves in their homes from feral trash.

donegaLroad · 30-09-2016 11:50AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Mindfulness has managed to cure conductive disorders, mental health issues ect amazing. I am not being cynical and it is perhaps a good idea but any article about a complex issue that starts with ...results are stunning.

I will try and find a better article.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-09-2016 11:55AM

mariaalice wrote: »

donegaLroad wrote: »

Article here, very interesting imo

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Since the school started the mindfulness program with the students, there have been no suspensions in one and a half years.

Mindfulness has managed to cure conductive disorders, mental health issues ect amazing. I am not being cynical and it is perhaps a good idea but any article about a complex issue that starts with ...results are stunning.

That's way too liberal for this place. The fact that it actually works being unimportant to a lot of people.

30-09-2016 12:01PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

I will try and find a better article.

That is evidence based and backed up by unbiased research!!

donegaLroad · 30-09-2016 12:03PM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is evidence based and backed up by unbiased research!!

and that doesn't have the word 'stunning' in it

donegaLroad · 30-09-2016 12:07PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's way too liberal for this place. The fact that it actually works being unimportant to a lot of people.

And if anyone could tell me how to delete the last line beneath this while on a smartphone in the new site layout, that would be massively helpful.

sometimes it is worth posting something which is pointing in a possitve direction, in the hope that even 1 person might have a read, and have a think about it on the bus on the way home from work this evening.. and maybe even think about giving mindfulness a go themselves!

this is the great thing about boards.ie

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-09-2016 12:09PM

brickmauser wrote: »

Tabnabs wrote: »

Honestly, it's a moral compass like the OP has that makes me wish Ireland had Second Amendment rights like the US. (S)he'd be "enforcing" those morals from the wrong end of the barrel...

Cops should be armed and law abiding people should have the right to defend themselves in their homes from feral trash.

But then the single mothers would also be armed - what then?

_Kaiser_ · 30-09-2016 12:23PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Relationships seem to be throw-away items now. Maybe there is something in the idea that the demise of the 'nuclear family' is bad for society. No need to be extreme about it, though.

There may be something to that but it's not necessarily (just) that relationships are "throw-away"

The whole structure of the family has changed. Financial (and indeed social) pressures mean that it's often not viable/desirable for a mother to stay home with the kids, and when both parents ARE there, they're often too knackered after a long day for anything more than a quick dinner, homework and TV in the evenings. The result (sadly) is that there ARE kids out there who are being raised by the creche, or school to varying degrees as opposed to a full-time parent(s).

Additionally, our new "enlightened" thought process would have us believe that children are in fact "mini-adults" and should be treated as such with regards to their "rights" and introducing concepts like Gender-neutral bathrooms and the ideas of sexual identity.. concepts that have no place in a primary school environment IMO - it should be enough at that age that they're taught to be tolerant of differences, not become advocates as well.

Then you have the notions on what is "acceptable parenting" these days with pretty much ANY objection to a child's expression/actions being "frowned upon", and excuses being made for things that in the past just would have been seen as unacceptable behaviour and dealt with accordingly.

In short, it's definitely more "complicated" to be a parent OR child in our "evolved" culture, and I think this does lead to a lot of unnecessary confusion and indeed (emotional) pain for all concerned as they try to muddle through it.

For myself, as the parent of a 4 year old who has just started in school I admit that I really do worry about the attitudes he'll be exposed to in the coming years, and the idea that he'll be made to feel "wrong" for just being himself - a normal (in what I would consider to be the traditional sense), happy little boy.

The King of Moo · 30-09-2016 12:23PM

Infini2 wrote: »

Too much wall-o-text for me to bother reading the rant. Is their any bullshyte free version?

Here you go:

PopePalpatine · 30-09-2016 12:35PM

CdeC wrote: »

Didn't the Op harp on about abortion is wrong and makes you a murderer in a previously closed thread

So now being a single mother is wrong, make you a whore and your kid a bastard.

FFS give a girl a break.

Op is pro-choice

Whore or Murderer ladies?

Nah, it's more like he misses the days of the Mother & Baby Homes.

HS3 · 30-09-2016 12:58PM

Ahhh. ..its been a while since I read a post that literally made my blood boil

So basically women cannot parent or teach and a man is needed to mould children into decent human beings.

I'm sure the op would therefore think that male same sex couples are the optimum parenting duo. Twice the masculinity = twice the disciplinarian upbringing!

ThinkProgress · 30-09-2016 01:03PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There may be something to that but it's not necessarily (just) that relationships are "throw-away"

The whole structure of the family has changed. Financial (and indeed social) pressures mean that it's often not viable/desirable for a mother to stay home with the kids, and when both parents ARE there, they're often too knackered after a long day for anything more than a quick dinner, homework and TV in the evenings. The result (sadly) is that there ARE kids out there who are being raised by the creche, or school to varying degrees as opposed to a full-time parent(s).

All comes down to choice though.

You make out like those families don't have any choices, but in fact they do. They just perhaps don't realize it... or don't want to.

If you decide to become a parent, and then do it in the same manner as others you see around you.... even if those people are getting it wrong too. Why would you expect different results?

Both parents don't have to work... that's a myth. It's just that everyone is trying to keep up with the jones's, so in order to keep up, some families have to stretch themselves to breaking point to maintain that facade!

Everyone has a choice. You can choose not to play that game if you want...

Perhaps if more people were strong enough to follow their own path/ideals in this life, instead of blindly mimicking what they see around them... society might be less dysfunctional.

jimmy blevins · 30-09-2016 01:12PM

We should learn from the Spartans, the youth should have to undergo the Agoge or else a televised battle royal style event to weed out the waster's.
The only problem is the Spartan economy depended on slaves, perhaps we can enslave the Welsh.

Breaking dependence - enforcing sexual morals, restoring corporal punishment and hard

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