Mary Robinson wants you to go vegan

Depp · 29-09-2016 10:43PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Idi Amin described as "black guy laughing on boat"

to be fair he is a black guy, on a boat, who is laughing so its a fairly accurate description...

Alf Stewart. · 29-09-2016 11:02PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Idi Amin described as "black guy laughing on boat"

I thought it was Forrest Whitaker having a giggle. (On a boat)

Smokers and Jokers? · 29-09-2016 11:06PM

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I thought it was Forrest Whitaker having a giggle. (On a boat)

Or a sh1t.

MyStubbleItches · 29-09-2016 11:13PM

Peregrine wrote: »

Animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than all of the transport industry combined.

Do you know anything about the topic? You're coming across as just a very angry and ill-informed man.

And of course you have broken this down to give stats on per head consumption of meat/dairy versus per head transport use.

Grayson · 29-09-2016 11:38PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Quorn, with extra (unlabelled)eggs.

http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2016-09-28/quorn-recall-soups-wrongly-labelled-as-vegan/

Hence the reason I said vegetarian/vegan. I know quorn isn't vegan.

KungPao wrote: »

Quorn chicken nuggets are great, nicer than most real ones. The chicken bits taste like nothing, but are okay in a curry, but come on now...quorn mince is not a patch on real beef mince...not even close.

I went pescatarian for a while, but I felt like **** so went back to beef.

I found I can't tell the difference with quorn mince. The first time it felt a bit softer in texture but the taste was the same.

A few weeks ago I was at a vegan barbecue. The burgers were ok but the thing that surprised me most was the vegan cheese slices. They tasted exactly like cheddar and melted perfectly.

Pepe LeFrits · 30-09-2016 08:56AM

There was a small article on the front of the Irish Times today about this; it was basically quotes from three farmers going on about her air miles. One of them had a few crocodile tears for anorexic teenage girls in there too. Much like this thread it was a clear case of attacking the messenger because they couldn't attack the message.

Meat consumption in the western world is a problem; it's unsustainable. It only 'works' (leaving out the unseen damage it is causing) because the rest of the world doesn't eat the same amount... but they're catching up.

Hopefully the technology to produce artificial meat can produce a solution, because trying to get us humans to change our behaviour en masse isn't going to happen any time soon. I read that the team who produced the first artificial burger a while back hope to have a product on supermarket shelves by 2020. I hope so.

RDM_83 again · 30-09-2016 09:29AM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Idi Amin described as "black guy laughing on boat"

Hmmm Idi Amin is rumoured to have gamed the ethical carnivore problem. Eat your enemies - your getting your tasty meat and your preventing all the CO2 emissions they would have,and as an added benefit you've less enemies

Del.Monte · 30-09-2016 09:29AM

Regardless of the message she is just headline grabbing as she might as well suggest that people give up breathing.

Special Circumstances · 30-09-2016 09:37AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Regardless of the message she is just headline grabbing as she might as well suggest that people give up breathing.

Turn BLUE for CO2 Reduction Day!

freedominacup · 30-09-2016 10:19AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

There was a small article on the front of the Irish Times today about this; it was basically quotes from three farmers going on about her air miles. One of them had a few crocodile tears for anorexic teenage girls in there too. Much like this thread it was a clear case of attacking the messenger because they couldn't attack the message.

Meat consumption in the western world is a problem; it's unsustainable. It only 'works' (leaving out the unseen damage it is causing) because the rest of the world doesn't eat the same amount... but they're catching up.

Hopefully the technology to produce artificial meat can produce a solution, because trying to get us humans to change our behaviour en masse isn't going to happen any time soon. I read that the team who produced the first artificial burger a while back hope to have a product on supermarket shelves by 2020. I hope so.

I'm one of two regular posters on the forestry and farming forum who posted on this thread. I did so in relation to a number of "factual" posts. There may have been a dig at the messenger but that was only for parroting the trendy line with very little knowledge of the subject. If milk and meat production is to continue globally on a reduced scale into the future Ireland is one of the few places where it will continue because we do it with very low CO2 emmissions and no irrigation.

If meat and dairy production is going to stop I think the balance of payments in the food area is going to change utterly as most of the country is wholly unsuitable to grain production nevermind to say horticulture from a climate and soil perspective. Horticulture needs large, as in the size off average farms here, fields with stone free and free draining soils to operate efficiently. In the limited areas with suitable soils and climate you will see the removal of miles of hedgegrows to facilitate production. This might be counterbalanced by other areas returning to wilderness but let's at least have a bit of honesty in the debate.

If posters refuse to see behind statistics showing CO2 production in absolute terms rather than per unit of output I'm in no humour to argue the point with them.

Jesus. · 30-09-2016 10:20AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm not a vegetarian, let alone a vegan; but data like this probably does encourage me to cut down on meat and animal products.

Does it really?

seamus · 30-09-2016 10:23AM

Incredible how defensive some people get about their meat eating.

It's almost like they feel a little guilty about it, but just can't help themselves. Here Mary Robinson points out some simple facts and observations, and the first reaction is to get really angry and start attacking her rather than the facts.

What are you actually angry about? Why do you feel the need to defend your meat-eating with such hate and vitriol?

Smokers and Jokers? · 30-09-2016 10:24AM

seamus wrote: »

Incredible how defensive some people get about their meat eating.

It's almost like they feel a little guilty about it, but just can't help themselves. Here Mary Robinson points out some simple facts and observations, and the first reaction is to get really angry and start attacking her rather than the facts.

What are you actually angry about? Why do you feel the need to defend your meat-eating with such hate and vitriol?

I have always disliked Mary Robinson for a start, so this is a good opportunity to attack her.

topper75 · 30-09-2016 10:33AM

A champagne socialist talking out their Áras? Would never tolerate that nowadays. Would they?!

Mary asked me to dance there one time. Can't rightly remember now where it was.

RDM_83 again · 30-09-2016 10:38AM

seamus wrote: »

Incredible how defensive some people get about their meat eating.

It's almost like they feel a little guilty about it, but just can't help themselves. Here Mary Robinson points out some simple facts and observations, and the first reaction is to get really angry and start attacking her rather than the facts.

What are you actually angry about? Why do you feel the need to defend your meat-eating with such hate and vitriol?

Because in Ireland we have nearly always had a meat and dairy heavy diet (and maybe blood), cattle don't have the place they do in the ancient irish myths for no reason, we're not finding bog butter all the time because they were mainly vegan.
Add to that apart from spuds what should we do, why should we change because of staristics that blatantly don't apply to the Irish context.

Also the messenger is a massive hypocrite, much like Al Gore it's do as I say not as I do and nobody reacts well to that. How do you really to the Catholic. Church preaching poverty while being wealthy? I'l guess you don't like it.

PS if you want to go back to the 18th century potato based diet try eating 4 pounds of spuds day in day out for a while!

Sam Kade · 30-09-2016 10:45AM

Smokers and Jokers? wrote: »

I have always disliked Mary Robinson for a start, so this is a good opportunity to attack her.

She should retire with her multiple pensions and take up knitting to occupy the limited time she has left instead of acting the high priestess of global warming.

Tombo2001 · 30-09-2016 10:51AM

I have no respect for the lady ever since she bailed out of the Irish presidency.

People who are not willing to honour their own responsibilities and commitments have no place lecturing others.

Lt Dan · 30-09-2016 11:11AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Apart from the farmer/butcher/factory workers/etc!

And apart from the people who have to suffer the stench of smuggness

seamus · 30-09-2016 11:12AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Because in Ireland we have nearly always had a meat and dairy heavy diet (and maybe blood), cattle don't have the place they do in the ancient irish myths for no reason, we're not finding bog butter all the time because they were mainly vegan.
Add to that apart from spuds what should we do, why should we change because of staristics that blatantly don't apply to the Irish context.

Also the messenger is a massive hypocrite, much like Al Gore it's do as I say not as I do and nobody reacts well to that. How do you really to the Catholic. Church preaching poverty while being wealthy? I'l guess you don't like it.

PS if you want to go back to the 18th century potato based diet try eating 4 pounds of spuds day in day out for a while!

So, no facts, just attacking the messenger, and some appeal to tradition and arguing from absurdity.

Again, what are you defending? Why are you so annoyed about the comments?

RobertKK · 30-09-2016 11:15AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

There was a small article on the front of the Irish Times today about this; it was basically quotes from three farmers going on about her air miles. One of them had a few crocodile tears for anorexic teenage girls in there too. Much like this thread it was a clear case of attacking the messenger because they couldn't attack the message.

Meat consumption in the western world is a problem; it's unsustainable. It only 'works' (leaving out the unseen damage it is causing) because the rest of the world doesn't eat the same amount... but they're catching up.

Hopefully the technology to produce artificial meat can produce a solution, because trying to get us humans to change our behaviour en masse isn't going to happen any time soon. I read that the team who produced the first artificial burger a while back hope to have a product on supermarket shelves by 2020. I hope so.

Her air miles is a valid point, we live in a technological age, people can appear at events without being actually at the event which would save on air miles.
But does Mary practice what she preaches on carbon?

hairyslug · 30-09-2016 11:15AM

Its our duty to eat meat, without us eating it we would be overrun with cows and chickens and the odd lamb and they poo and gas that comes with them

Grayson · 30-09-2016 11:17AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Her air miles is a valid point, we live in a technological age, people can appear at events without being actually at the event which would save on air miles.
But does Mary practice what she preaches on carbon?

I guess she must be 100% wrong about the impact of meat on global warming.

osarusan · 30-09-2016 11:18AM

Whatever about the other reasons to criticise Robinson, leaving her role as Irish president two months early (a role which was only significant because of her work which elevated it beyond a Fianna Fail retirement/sinecure gift) isn't high on the list for me at all.

Lt Dan · 30-09-2016 11:20AM

hairyslug wrote: »

Its our duty to eat meat, without us eating it we would be overrun with cows and chickens and the odd lamb and they poo and gas that comes with them

Would their populations be the same if there was not a demand for these animals?

hairyslug · 30-09-2016 11:25AM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Would their populations be the same if there was not a demand for these animals?

Honestly, god no, they would probably be extinct or endangered if there was no edible need for them, unless we can start cow racing.

Smokers and Jokers? · 30-09-2016 11:27AM

Ironic that she has been "on the pig's back" with her "snout in the trough" for most of her adult life.

Pepe LeFrits · 30-09-2016 11:28AM

Ireland's meat production efficiency is an interesting discussion point but Robinson wasn’t addressing an Irish audience, she was addressing a global one. Global meat consumption /is/ a problem and saying Ireland is more efficient than most (though still a huge CO2 emitter) doesn’t counter that.

RobertKK wrote: »

Her air miles is a valid point, we live in a technological age, people can appear at events without being actually at the event which would save on air miles.
But does Mary practice what she preaches on carbon?

No, it's whataboutery.

RobertKK · 30-09-2016 11:34AM

seamus wrote: »

Incredible how defensive some people get about their meat eating.

It's almost like they feel a little guilty about it, but just can't help themselves. Here Mary Robinson points out some simple facts and observations, and the first reaction is to get really angry and start attacking her rather than the facts.

What are you actually angry about? Why do you feel the need to defend your meat-eating with such hate and vitriol?

I don't feel guilty and will buy some meat later today.

Here is Mary Robinson, who lives the high life, one of 'the elders' who I would argue is out of touch with the ordinary people who are not privileged like she is.
She is ironically always flying around the world preaching about carbon and climate justice while adding tons and tons of CO2 to the atmosphere.
She wants people to go vegan so she can offset her own polluting.
Her carbon credits - 'I got people to go vegan'.
She is taking people to be fools, who she believes are blind to Mrs Robinson's own substantial carbon footprint.

RobertKK · 30-09-2016 11:35AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

No, it's whataboutery.

It highlights her hypocrisy on carbon emissions, it is a 'Do as I say, not as I do'.

osarusan · 30-09-2016 11:41AM

RobertKK wrote: »

She wants people to go vegan so she can offset her own polluting.
Her carbon credits - 'I got people to go vegan'.
She is taking people to be fools, who she believes are blind to Mrs Robinson's own substantial carbon footprint.

Do you actually believe this?

Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds?

Mary Robinson wants you to go vegan

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