2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Overheal · 23-09-2016 02:49PM

Amerika wrote: »

Not the link, but who is the actual source of these supposed quotes? And a little background to the source, if you'd please.

(And I heard tell Hillary had people bumped off who threatened her and her husband's ambitions... you know, just to keep in the mood of your post. They even have a name for it... Arkansas Flu)

Citations provided at the link.

Overheal · 23-09-2016 02:57PM

Amerika wrote: »

Please find me a manufacturer in the US that still makes this stuff.

I think you just made your own point

Black Swan · 23-09-2016 02:58PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yeah the website is just spin. Those who think those are actual policies are mistaken.

Unlike his opponent, Donald Trump has extensive, indepth policy analyses, low-medium-high budgetary projections, taxpayer ROI, cost-benefit analysis, clearly specified vision, mission, goals and objectives with associated milestones and deadlines, delegation of responsibilities to cabinet secretaries, and a Congressional US House and US Senate bill origination, collaboration, and committee-to-floor strategies to create, pass, and presidentially sign policy based legislation, along with implementation, evaluation, feedback, and modification strategies for policy-to-practice rollout, administration, and enforcement. Voters will be overjoyed to learn that Donald Trump will reveal this comprehensive policy programme to voters at the same time that he reveals his tax returns.

Peist2007 · 23-09-2016 03:10PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Careful with that open mind, your brains might fall out.

Can you give us an example of a video (or a campaign website) that meets your criteria, by another candidate for high office? You might explain how, precisely, it meets your definition of "actual policies" as distinct from "just spin".

No need to be insulting, very un-Mod like.

Again, simple request - a video of Hillary Clinton setting out her policies should she be elected. I dont have any myself, hence the request.

What do you mean my criteria? Every politician running for Presidential office has to have a set of policies at least. I just cannot seem to find any. Can you post a link of Hillary describing her policies? Not a tough question. If you don't no problem. And i am hardly being picky am i - surely Hillary isnt about to become President with no policies nor any querying of same. So pass on those links, good man

oscarBravo · 23-09-2016 03:19PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

No need to be insulting, very un-Mod like.

If you found that insulting, you should probably be careful to avoid hearing anything Donald Trump has ever said, you might have a fainting spell.

Again, simple request - a video of Hillary Clinton setting out her policies should she be elected. I dont have any myself, hence the request.

What's wrong with reading them? Why do you need a video?

What do you mean my criteria? Every politician running for Presidential office has to have a set of policies at least. I just cannot seem to find any.

They're on her website. You dismissed them as "just spin". Accordingly, you appear to have a set of criteria as to what you consider actual policies - I have no idea what those criteria are, so I'd like you to provide an example of the sort of thing you're looking for.

You have repeatedly made it clear that you believe it's entirely reasonable to demand such a thing of Clinton; further, you've demanded it in the form of a video of her giving a speech about her policies (for reasons that you haven't bothered to explain).

If it's entirely reasonable to expect a candidate to spell out their policies in a way that satisfies you, isn't it reasonable to expect you to provide several examples of the sort of thing you're looking for?

Overheal · 23-09-2016 03:21PM

And they say the DNC is the party of division

http://slate.me/2do3kEb

Brian? · 23-09-2016 03:25PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

No need to be insulting, very un-Mod like.

Again, simple request - a video of Hillary Clinton setting out her policies should she be elected. I dont have any myself, hence the request.

What do you mean my criteria? Every politician running for Presidential office has to have a set of policies at least. I just cannot seem to find any. Can you post a link of Hillary describing her policies? Not a tough question. If you don't no problem. And i am hardly being picky am i - surely Hillary isnt about to become President with no policies nor any querying of same. So pass on those links, good man

You're being completely unreasonable, not just picky. No politician ever sets pun their policy platform primarily in speeches. Speeches are for talking points, imagine that. Policies were detailed in pamphlets, no it's done on websites. A detailed policy speech would be excruciating to listen to, so the don't happen. Never really have.

Candidate in a speech: "Here's what I stand for and what's wrong with my opponent". That's all it's ever been.

Every time you facially ask for a video it displays ignorance.

I can't believe I had to just explain that.

Before you attack me for in mod like behaviour, I don't mod this forum.

Suryavarman · 23-09-2016 03:26PM

Amerika wrote: »

Please find me a manufacturer in the US that still makes this stuff.

Here we have a lovely regent fit striped suit from Brooks Brothers made in the good old United States of America. This suit comes in large range of sizes, that ensure both smaller and larger men find a suit that fits perfectly. Make sure to pick up some American made shirts and ties to go with this all-American suit and you'll be the most patriotic man in the office.

Amerika · 23-09-2016 03:34PM

Overheal wrote: »

I think you just made your own point

That those who criticize him for not making these things in the US are ignorant, because they aren't made in America, and Trump plans on bringing it back?

Amerika · 23-09-2016 03:35PM

Overheal wrote: »

Citations provided at the link.

So your quotes attributed to Trump are apparently bogus then.

Amerika · 23-09-2016 03:36PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

Here we have a lovely regent fit striped suit from Brooks Brothers made in the good old United States of America. This suit comes in large range of sizes, that ensure both smaller and larger men find a suit that fits perfectly. Make sure to pick up some American made shirts and ties to go with this all-American suit and you'll be the most patriotic man in the office.

1,190 Euros. What is that is US dollars? And who can afford them?

Suryavarman · 23-09-2016 03:41PM

Amerika wrote: »

1,190 Euros. What is that is US dollars? And who can afford them? Trump is selling men's suits, but where are they made?

It's around $1,300 I'd say. Plenty of people can afford them. But most people can't afford them because they are made in America. Much like people wouldn't be able to afford most things if they were all made in America.

Trump's suits are made in Mexico. As was shown already.

Black Swan · 23-09-2016 03:51PM

Amerika wrote: »

Please find me a manufacturer in the US that still makes this stuff.

"Currently, 70 percent of Brooks Brothers suits are made in Massachusetts, 100 percent of the ties are made in New York City, and about 10 percent of the shirts (the luxury and made-to-measure range) are produced in North Carolina. Of course, manufacturing clothes in the United States is nothing new for Brooks Brothers" (Brooks Brothers Official Site). What percentage of Donald Trump Signature Collection is MADE in MEXICO or MADE in CHINA or MADE in BANGLADESH? 838 items of the Ivanka Trump Collection is manufactured foreign.

And if you don't want to talk clothing and accessories, how about where the Trump collection of furniture is made that he sells to US customers? Of course Americans are also incapable of making quality furniture, especially in historic New England. Donald Trump continues to speak out of both sides of his mouth, especially when he continues to sacrifice American jobs to personally profit himself by outsourcing to cheap foreign labour markets, but mysteriously Trump supporters for some inexplicable reasons continue to listen only to what comes out of his big contradictory MOUTH, completely ignoring the facts.

Overheal · 23-09-2016 03:55PM

Amerika wrote: »

So your quotes attributed to Trump are apparently bogus then.

That's your argument. I welcome you to support it.

Overheal · 23-09-2016 03:58PM

Amerika wrote: »

1,190 Euros. What is that is US dollars? And who can afford them?

I thought the Trump brand stood for quality?

Frankly for suits that hardly sounds like an outlandish sum

Amerika · 23-09-2016 04:07PM

Overheal wrote: »

I thought the Trump brand stood for quality?

Frankly for suits that hardly sounds like an outlandish sum

It is outlandish. I think I saw Trumps suits (or sport coats) selling for about $150. I don't think we could make one here for $150, but I know without crippling business regulations and unions we could make a fine one that would sell for about $500.

Amerika · 23-09-2016 04:09PM

I was watching MSNBC this morning. They were talking about Trump’s musing that debate moderators shouldn’t pretend to also be factcheckers. Trump said if Hillary or himself say something wrong it is up to the other candidate to correct them, not the moderator who many not have the correct facts. The MSNBC panel seemed to be taken aback by trumps words. They noted it is the job of the media to correct statements that are untrue to their thinking, and the Candy Crowley debacle in the last election is just something that we must accept could happen.

oscarBravo · 23-09-2016 04:11PM

Amerika wrote: »

It is outlandish. I think I saw Trumps suits (or sport coats) selling for about $150. I don't think we could make one here for $150, but I know without crippling business regulations and unions we could make a fine one that would sell for about $500.

It's amazing how cheaply you can make things when workers are disposable. In fact, to go along with Trump's way of thinking: just imagine how cheap food will be when there's no longer a legal requirement to make sure it doesn't kill people?

Utopian visions, indeed.

Overheal · 23-09-2016 04:22PM

Amerika wrote: »

It is outlandish. I think I saw Trumps suits (or sport coats) selling for about $150. I don't think we could make one here for $150, but I know without crippling business regulations and unions we could make a fine one that would sell for about $500.

The going tick for a suit jacket in Clemson is about $500 I think. Bought a sport coat in February for about $400 iirc. The low cost of Trump suits (see them on Amazon..) actually seems strange. Puts him at about the quality and fair-trade level of Walmart.

Meanwhile Saks Fifth or Barneys will sell you a suit if you have the wad, for $4000 or more. While I'm sure there's a hefty markup in there, I'm also willing to bet they're of higher quality. For 1200 Euro? If he could make a suit for 1200 he'd have a market in the US.

But tell me again how Donald Trump wants to bring jobs back to the US.

"Please find me a manufacturer in the US that still makes this stuff."

Not Trump....

K-9 · 23-09-2016 04:32PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

No need to be insulting, very un-Mod like.

Again, simple request - a video of Hillary Clinton setting out her policies should she be elected. I dont have any myself, hence the request.

What do you mean my criteria? Every politician running for Presidential office has to have a set of policies at least. I just cannot seem to find any. Can you post a link of Hillary describing her policies? Not a tough question. If you don't no problem. And i am hardly being picky am i - surely Hillary isnt about to become President with no policies nor any querying of same. So pass on those links, good man

Mod:

Links were provided to you, you said you'd look at them tonight.

Clinton obviously has a set of policies, that they aren't in whatever format you want isn't important.

Anymore of this demanding links that meet your specific standards will be treated as derailing the thread and trolling.

In other words, stop demanding links when they've already been provided.

K-9 · 23-09-2016 04:34PM

Amerika wrote: »

So your quotes attributed to Trump are apparently bogus then.

Did you check the citations?

K-9 · 23-09-2016 04:36PM

Mod:

Everybody else dial back the personal attacks and up the quality of posts.

Btw South Park pics don't meet that standard Overheal!

Overheal · 23-09-2016 04:38PM

Amerika · 23-09-2016 05:20PM

K-9 wrote: »

Did you check the citations?

The really nasty ones that everyone remember always keys on...

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“Laziness is a trait in blacks.”

... came from the book ‘Trumped,’ that was written by a disgruntled ex-employee. There is no evidence he ever said those things.

Hence, they would be just as valid as the Arkansas Flu I noted.

Suryavarman · 23-09-2016 05:23PM

Amerika wrote: »

It is outlandish. I think I saw Trumps suits (or sport coats) selling for about $150. I don't think we could make one here for $150, but I know without crippling business regulations and unions we could make a fine one that would sell for about $500.

It really isn't outlandish. It's a pretty standard amount for a mid-range suit. That Trump's suits are selling for $150 says a lot about how low quality they are.

Could you give us an example of some of the "crippling business regulations" that are stopping cheap suits from being manufactured in the US?

Overheal · 23-09-2016 05:26PM

Amerika wrote: »

The really nasty ones that everyone remember always keys on...

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“Laziness is a trait in blacks.”

... came from the book ‘Trumped,’ that was written by a disgruntled ex-employee. There is no evidence he ever said those things.

Hence, they would be just as valid as the Arkansas Flu I noted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html

Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee but he didn’t deny allegations made in the book during an interview with Playboy magazine in 1999:

“Nobody has had worse things written about them than me,” Trump says. “And here I am. The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true. The guy’s a ****ing loser. A ****ing loser. I brought the guy in to work for me; it turns out he didn’t know that much about what he was doing. I think I met the guy two or three times total. And this guy goes off and writes a book about me, like he knows me!”
Trump’s office has not returned several requests for comment.

Amerika · 23-09-2016 06:04PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

It really isn't outlandish. It's a pretty standard amount for a mid-range suit. That Trump's suits are selling for $150 says a lot about how low quality they are.

Could you give us an example of some of the "crippling business regulations" that are stopping cheap suits from being manufactured in the US?

The main reasons usually listed by small businesses for going out of business are they’re overtaxed, over-regulated and overburdened. The government tells businesses what they have to pay employees, what benefits they must provide, and make it near impossible to fire a poor performing employees otherwise be hit by frivolous lawsuits. And add to that the heavy obstacles imposed by regulatory agencies in starting a business, and the massive amount of government paperwork needed to be maintained ongoing.

Brian? · 23-09-2016 06:11PM

Amerika wrote: »

The main reasons usually listed by small businesses for going out of business are they’re overtaxed, over-regulated and overburdened. The government tells businesses what they have to pay employees, what benefits they must provide, and make it near impossible to fire a poor performing employees otherwise be hit by frivolous lawsuits. And add to that the heavy obstacles imposed by regulatory agencies in starting a business, and the massive amount of government paperwork needed to be maintained ongoing.

They may the main reasons listed by small businesses, but they're completely subjective. There is no data to support this assertion that I can see.

Also, are they the main reasons listed? Who collects and maintains the list?

Brian? · 23-09-2016 06:15PM

Amerika wrote: »

The main reasons usually listed by small businesses for going out of business are they’re overtaxed, over-regulated and overburdened. The government tells businesses what they have to pay employees, what benefits they must provide, and make it near impossible to fire a poor performing employees otherwise be hit by frivolous lawsuits. And add to that the heavy obstacles imposed by regulatory agencies in starting a business, and the massive amount of government paperwork needed to be maintained ongoing.

Employment rights are state controlled, not federal. In any "right to work" state, "frivolous lawsuits" are non existent because you don't need a reason to fire anyone.

The rights and wrongs of this can be debated elsewhere though as it has zero to do with a the presidential election and everything to do with state legislature and gubernatorial races.

Suryavarman · 23-09-2016 06:25PM

Amerika wrote: »

The main reasons usually listed by small businesses for going out of business are they’re overtaxed, over-regulated and overburdened. The government tells businesses what they have to pay employees, what benefits they must provide, and make it near impossible to fire a poor performing employees otherwise be hit by frivolous lawsuits. And add to that the heavy obstacles imposed by regulatory agencies in starting a business, and the massive amount of government paperwork needed to be maintained ongoing.

The minimum wage, employment regulations and pretty much every other regulation in the United States are pretty moderate. None of the reasons you are giving would prevent cheap suits from being manufactured in the US.

Do you have any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims for once?

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