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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #1772
    daithi7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Sorry if this has been covered already, but when,(date& time) exactly is the first US presidential debate? & can we see it in Ireland on cnn, cnbc or wherever??

    Thanks for info on this,
    Looking forward to the big pow wow:))


  • #1773
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Overheal wrote: »
    Some of the speculation is ridiculous and belongs in CT.

    It is annoying that using the words "CT" nowadays seems to be an argument to the contrary nowadays. Hillary collapsed at the 9/11 function after weeks of denying anything was wrong from a health perspective. Then she lied about the nature of her collapse. She spent that weekend shaking hands and hugging people whilst diagnosed with pneumonia. And you think asking questions of her health can be countered with the standard "CT" response? Perfectly valid questions about a candidate who is looking more and more ill as this campaign continues.

    Still waiting for some links of Clinton setting out her policy from you. They are starting to look conspicuous by their absence.


  • #1774
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Still waiting for some links of Clinton setting out her policy from you. They are starting to look conspicuous by their absence.

    Her policies are on her website. Demanding to see them presented in a format of your choosing doesn't mean she doesn't have policies. What are you trying to prove, exactly?


  • #1775
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Still waiting for some links of Clinton setting out her policy from you. They are starting to look conspicuous by their absence.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Her policies are on her website. Demanding to see them presented in a format of your choosing doesn't mean she doesn't have policies. What are you trying to prove, exactly?

    "Conspicuous by their absence" is clearly an erroneous statement. There are several vids spoken by Hillary Clinton that outlines her economic policies, etc. For example, Clinton addresses her economic policies beginning about 11:00 in a Michigan speech. Obviously oral speeches do not go into great depth. More details are offered on her site as oscarBravo states, as well as evaluations of her polices by research institutes.


  • #1776
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Her policies are on her website. Demanding to see them presented in a format of your choosing doesn't mean she doesn't have policies. What are you trying to prove, exactly?

    A format of my choosing? Her presenting them herself please on camera? That doesnt exist? You realise how utterly laughable that is?


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  • #1777
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Black Swan wrote: »
    "Conspicuous by their absence" is clearly an erroneous statement. There are several vids spoken by Hillary Clinton that outlines her economic policies, etc. For example, Clinton addresses her economic policies beginning about 11:00 in a Michigan speech. Obviously oral speeches do not go into great depth. More details are offered on her site as oscarBravo states, as well as evaluations of her polices by research institutes.

    Nope just want to see Hillary set things out herself. Thanks for the link. Will have a look through that tonight.


  • #1778
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    A format of my choosing? Her presenting them herself please on camera? That doesnt exist? You realise how utterly laughable that is?

    I'm sure if you weren't so lazy you'd be able to find videos of the dozen or so debates where she discusses policy.


  • #1779
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Nope just want to see Hillary set things out herself. Thanks for the link. Will have a look through that tonight.
    There are several speeches by Hillary Clinton easily accessed on the web from late 2015 through the present day that addresses her economic, foreign, immigration, education, etc., policies, so I do not understand why you are having difficulty finding them. Many of them are also transcripted so that they can be easily checked word-for-word. There are several vid interviews between her and known media anchors, also transcripted. Personally, I find her speeches boring and unimaginative, but at least she does not frequently insult persons that differ from her by gender, race, colour, creed, disability, or national origin as Donald Trump frequently has, especially during Trump's GOP primary campaign.


  • #1780
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Her policies are on her website. Demanding to see them presented in a format of your choosing doesn't mean she doesn't have policies. What are you trying to prove, exactly?

    Clinton has abandoned policy as a means to winning the election and and switched to persuasion tactics. "He's racist sexist etc." She changed tactic around July or so, and it worked. I don't blame her because policy doesn't really win elections, soundbites and in Trump's case framing him as someone to be feared is her best chance of winning.

    That's why she doesn't really talk policy as much any more. It's a smart move because the majority of people don't really listen.


  • #1781
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Does anyone believe that Hillary's policies, on her website or otherwise are any indication of what she'll do as president?


    She reluctantly dropped the TPP, but does anyone believe she won't just come in as president and say "well we've changed the TPP to make it better for workers so now I feel as though I can pass it"?

    At least Trump has been against these type of trade deals since the 80's


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  • #1782
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    So trump will appoint conservative judges? And this in your opinion is "genius stuff" is it?

    You're having trouble reading


  • #1783
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    oik wrote: »
    Does anyone believe that Hillary's policies, on her website or otherwise are any indication of what she'll do as president?

    History tells us that presidents generally implement 70-75% of their campaign promises once elected.


  • #1784
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    oik wrote: »
    You're having trouble reading

    Why dont you try and make a point instead of throwing out insults?


  • #1785
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Do you have proof illegal workers in construction make above the minimum wage; that blacks used to do almost all the construction work in the southern US or that construction was a "black profession?"

    Blacks are not illegal workers so why would they be paid less than minimum wage?

    Can't post links

    Youtube: "Thomas Sowell - Reducing Black Unemployment" about 4 minutes in.

    From Sowell's article on the matter in the National review:

    Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum-wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum-wage law. The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks).

    There's another video I can't find which goes into more detail on the extent to which blacks dominated the construction in the south.


  • #1786
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    History tells us that presidents generally implement 70-75% of their campaign promises once elected.

    Most of them were not forced to promise things they didn't want to by an old communist.


  • #1787
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Why dont you try and make a point instead of throwing out insults?

    It's not an insult. You've misread/misinterpreted deliberately or otherwise my posts multiple times. Why should I waste my effort responding?


  • #1788
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    oik wrote: »
    Most of them were not forced to promise things they didn't want to by an old communist.

    Yes but neither was Hillary.

    Sanders is not a communist. This is just the old US thing of being scared of socialists under the bed and using communism to avoid any actual discussion with the left.


  • #1789
    oik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Yes but neither was Hillary.

    Sanders is not a communist. This is just the old US thing of being scared of socialists under the bed and using communism to avoid any actual discussion with the left.

    You didn't have to take the communist thing literally. I thought it was obvious I was joking. But the fact is she did have to move very far to the left, especially on TPP and she will be assuring her donors and lobbyists that her pivot on TPP will be reversed in office once she finds a suitable excuse.


  • #1790
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    oik wrote: »
    Does anyone believe that Hillary's policies, on her website or otherwise are any indication of what she'll do as president?


    She reluctantly dropped the TPP, but does anyone believe she won't just come in as president and say "well we've changed the TPP to make it better for workers so now I feel as though I can pass it"?

    At least Trump has been against these type of trade deals since the 80's

    Trump being wrong for over 30 years isn't better than Clinton being wrong for 6 months.
    oik wrote: »
    Blacks are not illegal workers so why would they be paid less than minimum wage?

    Can't post links

    Youtube: "Thomas Sowell - Reducing Black Unemployment" about 4 minutes in.

    From Sowell's article on the matter in the National review:

    Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum-wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum-wage law. The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks).

    There's another video I can't find which goes into more detail on the extent to which blacks dominated the construction in the south.

    Referring to the way things were in 1930 as a way to back up your claims is a pretty poor way of going about things.
    oik wrote: »
    You didn't have to take the communist thing literally. I thought it was obvious I was joking. But the fact is she did have to move very far to the left, especially on TPP and she will be assuring her donors and lobbyists that her pivot on TPP will be reversed in office once she finds a suitable excuse.

    She hasn't moved far to the left. She rebranded her college policy and abandoned support for TPP in its current guise. That isn't a move worth talking about.


  • #1791
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Suryavarman wrote: »
    I'm sure if you weren't so lazy you'd be able to find videos of the dozen or so debates where she discusses policy.

    So, nothing. Noted ;)


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  • #1792
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Black Swan wrote: »
    There are several speeches by Hillary Clinton easily accessed on the web from late 2015 through the present day that addresses her economic, foreign, immigration, education, etc., policies, so I do not understand why you are having difficulty finding them. Many of them are also transcripted so that they can be easily checked word-for-word. There are several vid interviews between her and known media anchors, also transcripted. Personally, I find her speeches boring and unimaginative, but at least she does not frequently insult persons that differ from her by gender, race, colour, creed, disability, or national origin as Donald Trump frequently has, especially during Trump's GOP primary campaign.

    Several. Ok. Link?


  • #1793
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well that's all well and good, but I want one where she describes her minimum wage policy while bouncing on a spacehopper while wearing a Fez. I mean if we can't even find that then how are we meant to take her seriously?


  • #1794
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Her policies are on her website.
    It is not policies - it is promises. The only details what I found was to return US companies from Ireland and impose populist tax on millionaires.
    The rest is usual populist waffling before elections.


  • #1795
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    It is not policies - it is promises. The only details what I found was to return US companies from Ireland and impose populist tax on millionaires.
    The rest is usual populist waffling before elections.

    Yeah the website is just spin. Those who think those are actual policies are mistaken.


  • #1796
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well that's all well and good, but I want one where she describes her minimum wage policy while bouncing on a spacehopper while wearing a Fez. I mean if we can't even find that then how are we meant to take her seriously?

    If we could find any that would be great. No need for theatrics. The fact that i am here 24 hours later still requesting links shows just how much sh1te is talked on this thread with zero to back it up.


  • #1797
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Yeah the website is just spin. Those who think those are actual policies are mistaken.
    Careful with that open mind, your brains might fall out.

    Can you give us an example of a video (or a campaign website) that meets your criteria, by another candidate for high office? You might explain how, precisely, it meets your definition of "actual policies" as distinct from "just spin".


  • #1798
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been covered already, but when,(date& time) exactly is the first US presidential debate? & can we see it in Ireland on cnn, cnbc or wherever??

    Thanks for info on this,
    Looking forward to the big pow wow:))

    Monday. Facebook to broadcast afaik


  • #1799
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    oik wrote: »
    Do you have proof illegal workers in construction make above the minimum wage; that blacks used to do almost all the construction work in the southern US or that construction was a "black profession?"

    Blacks are not illegal workers so why would they be paid less than minimum wage?

    Can't post links

    Youtube: "Thomas Sowell - Reducing Black Unemployment" about 4 minutes in.

    From Sowell's article on the matter in the National review:

    Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum-wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum-wage law. The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks).

    There's another video I can't find which goes into more detail on the extent to which blacks dominated the construction in the south.
    Could you find a video of someone reputable reading that for me? All I see are words. Anyone could have typed them. Besides where is your link? You don't have a link? Wha


  • #1800
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

    “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

    “Laziness is a trait in blacks.”

    Oh yeah, it's hard to see why he has such glowing support from the Klu Klux Klan.

    Not the link, but who is the actual source of these supposed quotes? And a little background to the source, if you'd please.

    (And I heard tell Hillary had people bumped off who threatened her and her husband's ambitions... you know, just to keep in the mood of your post. They even have a name for it... Arkansas Flu)


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  • #1801
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Donald Trump talks out of both sides of his mouth from his political pulpit, condemning US corporations importing foreign goods, while at the same time he personally profits from selling his Signature Collection in America with goods MADE IN CHINA and MADE IN MEXICO.

    main-qimg-24f11caa9ed52b0b758932f0439cd8d9-c?convert_to_webp=true

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    Please find me a manufacturer in the US that still makes this stuff.


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