Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Peist2007 · 20-09-2016 06:22PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

So that means it is actually impossible to finish the championship on time now - is that right? I am assuming this will be the schedule:

October 8th & 9th: Group games
October 15th & 16th: Quarter Finals
October 22nd & 23rd: Semi Finals
October 30th: Final

Is that the way it is looking?

A joke.

seligehgit · 20-09-2016 06:53PM

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blinding · 20-09-2016 07:31PM

PressRun wrote: »

I definitely feel less optimistic about the replay, tbh. I had felt fairly positive for the match on Sunday, felt that we could ambush them, but I think any element of surprise that we had is gone now. Unless Rochford has another tactical plan up his sleeve, I don't see how Dublin won't be better prepared the next day. Mayo did a decent job of keeping their forwards quiet, but Dublin were undeniably flat and collectively seemed out of sorts. It was a strange sort of spectacle in that I do think the way Mayo played had some role in nullifying them, but they also just didn't seem right at all and it was a pretty amazing malfunction from their forward line (though Brogan and Flynn have arguably been out of sorts by their own standards all year, so nothing particularly surprising there). Whether there was complacency, they felt a bit of pressure, if it's just been a long slog for them since last year, or something else entirely, I don't know, but I would be surprised if we see them that bereft of ideas in the replay. I think there'll be several Dublin players who will feel like they have a point to prove the next day. If Gavin is ruthless, he might even drop a big name or two and shake up his forward line.

That being said, we gifted Dublin two own goals and they were a couple of points up with a few minutes left on the clock and they didn't close it out. If we'd been the ones throwing away that lead, we'd be called "bottlers". We stayed in it after some poor mistakes that could have been very demoralising. There are a lot of teams who would have just capitulated after such mistakes.

Look, we're still in it. I think we'd do well to put the day behind us and just move on to the next match. Saturday week should be treated like the first match all over again. If there's anything we have going for us, it's that this team has mental fortitude. I think they'll pick themselves up well for the next day and will be in the right place mentally. Whether things go their way on the day is another matter. A few individuals are going to need to up their game on what we saw the last day. The O'Sheas and Diarmuid O'Connor are going to need to find more, imo, and I think Cillian can do more too. I think they'll be up for it. Whether they have the tools to combat the backlash that's probably coming, I don't know, tbh.

We could do with a "Deja Vu all over again but with some adjustments...no goals for the Dubs and the O Sheas hitting form and Cillian hitting a little bit of scoring form from play "

That aught a do it.........only games take on a life on their own and thats why we'll be watching .

Grandeeod · 20-09-2016 08:05PM

PressRun wrote: »

That being said, we gifted Dublin two own goals and they were a couple of points up with a few minutes left on the clock and they didn't close it out.

Your entire post was very good, but if you don't mind I'd like to address the quoted bit.

IMO Dublin didn't close it out because a certain Mr. Connolly decided to go for glory. Now I know that Dublin have a somewhat swashbuckling attitude, but with literally 30 odd seconds left on the clock in an AI final, all he had to do was put that sideline ball back into Dublin possession and run down the clock.

That said, I'm glad we didn't win it that way.

Blud · 20-09-2016 08:30PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

So that means it is actually impossible to finish the championship on time now - is that right? I am assuming this will be the schedule:

October 8th & 9th: Group games
October 15th & 16th: Quarter Finals
October 22nd & 23rd: Semi Finals
October 30th: Final

Is that the way it is looking?

Yep. Not to mention that the county squad will be in no fit condition to play a week after the replay, and half the county will have been on the beer anyway.

Club players really should boycott - it's gone that far. They have to make a stand at some point, it's now or never.

And I'm only saying 'they' because I'm already out, and feeling very comfortable with the decision.

Blud · 20-09-2016 08:31PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Your entire post was very good, but if you don't mind I'd like to address the quoted bit.

IMO Dublin didn't close it out because a certain Mr. Connolly decided to go for glory. Now I know that Dublin have a somewhat swashbuckling attitude, but with literally 30 odd seconds left on the clock in an AI final, all he had to do was put that sideline ball back into Dublin possession and run down the clock.

That said, I'm glad we didn't win it that way.

Dublin don't have a swashbuckling attitude. They've played three big games this year and we've watched Kilkenny p!ssing about in all three games with himself and Flynn turning their backs on the ball and running to their own 45 every time the ball is turned over. Nothing swashbuckling about it.

PressRun · 20-09-2016 08:37PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Your entire post was very good, but if you don't mind I'd like to address the quoted bit.

IMO Dublin didn't close it out because a certain Mr. Connolly decided to go for glory. Now I know that Dublin have a somewhat swashbuckling attitude, but with literally 30 odd seconds left on the clock in an AI final, all he had to do was put that sideline ball back into Dublin possession and run down the clock.

That said, I'm glad we didn't win it that way.

Connolly did display a silly bit of individualism there and I'm sure he got an earful over it. But that miss just kind of summed up the kind of bad decision-making that had been happening all day. Aiden O'Shea did something similar on our end.

Grandeeod · 20-09-2016 08:54PM

Blud wrote: »

Dublin don't have a swashbuckling attitude. They've played three big games this year and we've watched Kilkenny p!ssing about in all three games with himself and Flynn turning their backs on the ball and running to their own 45 every time the ball is turned over. Nothing swashbuckling about it.

I disagree and have no intention of getting drawn into it. Your definition of swashbuckiling is obviously different to mine.

PARlance · 20-09-2016 09:48PM

Dillon the only doubt and Rochford has never even spoken to Jim McG.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28613-dillon-is-mayo-s-big-injury-doubt

TCDStudent1 · 20-09-2016 10:11PM

Blud wrote: »

Yep. Not to mention that the county squad will be in no fit condition to play a week after the replay, and half the county will have been on the beer anyway.

Club players really should boycott - it's gone that far. They have to make a stand at some point, it's now or never.

And I'm only saying 'they' because I'm already out, and feeling very comfortable with the decision.

It really is an awful way to treat club players.

In Galway, we have similar fixture issues. We still have 2 QF's to be played and we have been out of the championship for a number of weeks! In saying that, the Mayo situation this year is the worst that I can remember regarding the delay and disregard for the club championship.

Ted111 · 20-09-2016 11:25PM

Blud wrote: »

Dublin don't have a swashbuckling attitude. They've played three big games this year and we've watched Kilkenny p!ssing about in all three games with himself and Flynn turning their backs on the ball and running to their own 45 every time the ball is turned over. Nothing swashbuckling about it.

You're probably right but I suppose once they don't go playing the blanket defense like mayo or donegal it's not too bad. Everyone's playing that now and it's horrible effect on the game.

PARlance · 20-09-2016 11:42PM

Ted111 wrote: »

You're probably right but I suppose once they don't go playing the blanket defense like mayo or donegal it's not too bad. Everyone's playing that now and it's horrible effect on the game.

Mayo. Blanket Defence. Time for bed.

StewartGriffin · 21-09-2016 12:02AM

PARlance wrote: »

Rochford has never even spoken to Jim McG.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28613-dillon-is-mayo-s-big-injury-doubt

So Martin Carney's "scoop" was a fairytale . Has the guy any credibilty left? He was on the Last Word yesterday saying that Kevin Mcloughlin was the best player on the Mayo team, (well they are both teachers from Castlebar.)

Between Carney, John Casey, David Brady and Mortimor, the only Mayo player able to represent the county in the media without acting the clown is the great Cora Staunton.

wirelessdude01 · 21-09-2016 07:24AM

StewartGriffin wrote:

So Martin Carney's "scoop" was a fairytale . Has the guy any credibilty left? He was on the Last Word yesterday saying that Kevin Mcloughlin was the best player on the Mayo team, (well they are both teachers from Castlebar.)

Well McLoughlin is from Knock more and teaches in Rice College which is in Westport so your 'scoop' is wrong as well. If you're gonna talk nonsense at least have the facts right.

winter2016 · 21-09-2016 10:07AM

Anyone know whats the story regarding rooms for Citywest, County Board say there are not taking bookings and to contact hotel and hotel say they have no rooms.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-09-2016 11:13AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Well McLoughlin is from Knock more and teaches in Rice College which is in Westport so your 'scoop' is wrong as well. If you're gonna talk nonsense at least have the facts right.

and Carney isnt from Castlebar either

Westernyelp · 21-09-2016 01:20PM

winter2016 wrote:

Anyone know whats the story regarding rooms for Citywest, County Board say there are not taking bookings and to contact hotel and hotel say they have no rooms.

Think the gig is in the Regency this time

Avns1s · 21-09-2016 01:25PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

Think the gig is in the Regency this time

It's not! It's in Citywest on the Saturday evening unless Mayo GAA have changed the venue since their official announcement yesterday.

flasher0030 · 21-09-2016 01:39PM

Avns1s wrote: »

It's not! It's in Citywest on the Saturday evening unless Mayo GAA have changed the venue since their official announcement yesterday.

I would imagine that was a spoof post. The regency was all over the news this year for murder of criminal involved in the Kinahan/Hutch war.

Avns1s · 21-09-2016 01:44PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

I would imagine that was a spoof post. The regency was all over the news this year for murder of criminal involved in the Kinahan/Hutch war.

I thought that too but in case anyone was misled into booking accommodation, I thought it better to clarify.

yop · 21-09-2016 02:11PM

`Gig is in CityWest. BDO World Darts on same weekend means no rooms available. We are staying in same spot again and going to the after party.

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-09-2016 02:24PM

yop wrote: »

`Gig is in CityWest. BDO World Darts on same weekend means no rooms available. We are staying in same spot again and going to the after party.

Its the PDC not the BDO !

Christ get your fractured competing darts organisation acronyms right before you post

PARlance · 21-09-2016 03:17PM

Watched the game again and I'm not buying the wet ball giving us an advantage / Dublin a disadvantage. We got plenty of good ball into Aidan and Andy and both got there first on more than their fair share of occasions. However, it slipped away / bounced off them an awful lot. They've the match or beating of their men as long as they get the right kind of ball in, on a dry day they could cause serious problems for Dublin.

I'm also not buying that we played great and Dublin played well under par. We showed get intensity but we didn't play great.
Our kickouts were a disaster in general.
When also showed poor judgement in front of goal, Aidan took on a stupid shot, as did Cillian within the first 6 mins. Aidan also held the ball too long when Durcan would have been through in that time.

We were sloppy and so were they.

DamoKen · 21-09-2016 03:44PM

km79 wrote: »

Was it Philly McMahon who pretended to be head butted by o Shea last year ? Or cooper ? Can't remember but it was one of the 2 .........
Ah here we are
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/adrumm/philly-mcmahon-denies-headbutting-aidan-oshea-and-diving-against-mayo/
I'm sorry u was mixed up.he attempted to headbutt o Shea and seperatley then himself feigned injury to try and get o Shea sent off.
Wouldn't catch a Dublin player doing that you say ?

Think you're still mixed up. McMahon was cleared of that headbutt when alternate footage emerged showing there was no actual contact of heads (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/philly-mcmahon-in-the-clear-as-new-footage-of-clash-with-aiden-oshea-emerges/37912). The clip in that link is too fast to see clearly but there was a much better link of the same footage doing the rounds last year which showed it in slow motion where it was very clear their heads did not actually touch. Made O'Shea's post match "yeah I was headbutted" comment look quite underhand and dishonest when it came out.

I'd imagine it's still around if you're interested in what really happened.

yop · 21-09-2016 04:12PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Its the PDC not the BDO !

Christ get your fractured competing darts organisation acronyms right before you post

Same ****)(E different "Athletes".....

The Talking Bread · 21-09-2016 04:37PM

DamoKen wrote: »

Think you're still mixed up. McMahon was cleared of that headbutt when alternate footage emerged showing there was no actual contact of heads (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/philly-mcmahon-in-the-clear-as-new-footage-of-clash-with-aiden-oshea-emerges/37912). The clip in that link is too fast to see clearly but there was a much better link of the same footage doing the rounds last year which showed it in slow motion where it was very clear their heads did not actually touch. Made O'Shea's post match "yeah I was headbutted" comment look quite underhand and dishonest when it came out.

I'd imagine it's still around if you're interested in what really happened.

Well........it is more dishonest PM grabbing the very top of his head when there was zero contact. Clearly trying to get AOS in trouble. Falling down like an absolute gobs%te.

What happened there was McM trying to obstruct AOS to allow DC a passage through. I actually have no issue with that, its a physical game, but its the feigning injury by players a tough as nails that really angers me. Especially in that position of the field.

Not saying Mayo dont do it, just pointing out that incident.

You can slow youtube videos down to 1/4 of that speed. Its comical, not a hair on his arm touched McMahon!

km79 · 21-09-2016 04:48PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Well........it is more dishonest PM grabbing the very top of his head when there was zero contact. Clearly trying to get AOS in trouble. Falling down like an absolute gobs%te.

What happened there was McM trying to obstruct AOS to allow DC a passage through. I actually have no issue with that, its a physical game, but its the feigning injury by players a tough as nails that really angers me. Especially in that position of the field.

Not saying Mayo dont do it, just pointing out that incident.

You can slow youtube videos down to 1/4 of that speed. Its comical, not a hair on his arm touched McMahon!

And that was the initial point made that I responded to
That Dublin players do not do it and to point out any incident where they did

Stoner · 21-09-2016 04:55PM

The Talking Bread wrote:

Well........it is more dishonest PM grabbing the very top of his head when there was zero contact. Clearly trying to get AOS in trouble. Falling down like an absolute gobs%te.

AOS pretended to be headbutted when he wasn't. PM pretended he was hit on the head when he wasn't. They are both dishonest, arguing about which was more dishonest is pointless, trying to put forward a Mayo or Dublin argument for or against such acts is also pointless IMO.

PARlance · 21-09-2016 05:04PM

Decent article in the Times from Clerkin. Headline is a bit off the mark though.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-and-mayo-are-peers-but-they-are-not-seen-as-equals-1.2798747

Stoner · 21-09-2016 05:16PM

PARlance wrote:

Decent article in the Times from Clerkin. Headline is a bit off the mark though.

It's a good article, in think a lot of it comes from the opinion that Kerry are better than Mayo. Along the lines that Dublin have Kerry's number but Kerry have Mayo's number
This has put Mayo in a kind of third place in some people's eyes. However of there was such a things as a neutral observer they'd recognise how close the two teams are.

One thing that has often confused me though is. I don't think it's been asked much.

How come Kerry can stay the physical pace with Mayo but not Dublin yet Mayo can stay with Dublin?
It's been that way for a few years now.

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