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is Mourinho a busted flush?

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  • #122
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    That's all well and good but it's nothing to do with what I said.
    Wenger is a much better example of a busted flush, if we have to use that term, than Mourinho.

    Yeah probably, but it doesn't address the point.

    Personally I feel that Jose can fix this easily enough by just picking a better 11 and sticking people in the right positions.

    However, people said when he signed that it wasn't guaranteed, that he was on the back of a couple of very acrimonious departures from clubs where he came fairly close to publicly losing the plot.

    People said 'the bitterness is back, YES!' and 'it's great to be hated again, we're back where we belong'.

    But it was a fair question to ask.

    It's too early to say 'yes' or 'no' but the special one aura isn't nearly so strong these days and right now he has a big question mark over his head.

    Saying 'well look at Wenger' doesn't change that.


  • #123
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    gosplan wrote: »
    Yeah probably, but it doesn't address the point.

    Personally I feel that Jose can fix this easily enough by just picking a better 11 and sticking people in the right positions.

    However, people said when he signed that it wasn't guaranteed, that he was on the back of a couple of very acrimonious departures from clubs where he came fairly close to publicly losing the plot.

    People said 'the bitterness is back, YES!' and 'it's great to be hated again, we're back where we belong'.

    But it was a fair question to ask.

    It's too early to say 'yes' or 'no' but the special one aura isn't nearly so strong these days and right now he has a big question mark over his head.

    Saying 'well look at Wenger' doesn't change that.

    I just found it funny that Arsenal supporters would be chiming in on this after 5 games into the league campaign, considering there wouldn't be a more appropriate name to put to the phrase busted flush than Wenger.


  • #124
    gosplan
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    All i can say is how great is Klopp as a manager while you all argue over who is worse.

    Yeah. Supporting Liverpool seems like a lot of fun right now.

    Still, I've high hopes for Arsenal this year...for now.


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
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    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    I just found it funny that Arsenal supporters would be chiming in on this after 5 games into the league campaign, considering there wouldn't be a more appropriate name to put to the phrase busted flush than Wenger.

    Ill take our busted flush to be honest.


  • #126
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ill take our busted flush to be honest.

    And that's Arsenal's problem right there, accepting mediocrity


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  • #127
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    And that's Arsenal's problem right there, accepting mediocrity

    Well finishing top 4 every year is the type of mediocrity that most Utd fans would be more than accepting of right now.


  • #128
    RasTa
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    Wegner only plays top pair top kicker.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well finishing top 4 every year is the type of mediocrity that most Utd fans would be more than accepting of right now.

    Hmmmmm checks Liverpool's "history" over the past 8 years.....

    8th, 6th, 2nd, 7th, 8th, 6th, 7th.

    Yet they still laugh at other teams like they are relevant.


  • #129
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well finishing top 4 every year is the type of mediocrity that most Utd fans would be more than accepting of right now.

    Nonsense. Would rather win the league, finish midtable and win the league than just finish 4th.


  • #130
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    Nonsense. Would rather win the league, finish midtable and win the league than just finish 4th.

    Yes but utd have finished midtable, top4 and then midtable again.


  • #131
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but utd have finished midtable, top4 and then midtable again.

    That doesn't mean we would be happy with finishing 4th every year. What part are you having trouble with here?


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  • #132
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    RasTa wrote: »
    Wegner only plays top pair top kicker.



    Hmmmmm checks Liverpool's "history" over the past 8 years.....

    8th, 6th, 2nd, 7th, 8th, 6th, 7th.

    Yet they still laugh at other teams like they are relevant.

    I wasnt laughing though, i was pointing out that mediocrity that arsenal have experienced would have kept the last two managers in a job at Utd.


  • #133
    Potential Underachiever
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    I don't think he's a busted flush, he could be a missed up and down straight draw though or maybe even a double bellybuster gone awry, it's hard to tell.


  • #134
    greendom
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    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    I just found it funny that Arsenal supporters would be chiming in on this after 5 games into the league campaign, considering there wouldn't be a more appropriate name to put to the phrase busted flush than Wenger.

    This thread was about Mourinho. Is there a boards rule I was unaware of thst Arsenal fans aren't allowed to discuss the failings of other managers?


  • #135
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    RasTa wrote:
    Hmmmmm checks Liverpool's "history" over the past 8 years.....

    8th, 6th, 2nd, 7th, 8th, 6th, 7th.

    Yet they still laugh at other teams like they are relevant

    When is the last time arsenal had an actual credible title challenge?

    I'm sure united and arsenal fans would be more than happy to have klopp as manager as oppose to who they currently have


  • #136
    greendom
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    Mr.H wrote: »
    When is the last time arsenal had an actual credible title challenge?

    I'm sure united and arsenal fans would be more than happy to have klopp as manager as oppose to who they currently have

    I'll reserve judgement on that


  • #137
    niallo27
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    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    That doesn't mean we would be happy with finishing 4th every year. What part are you having trouble with here?

    I said accepting not happy.


  • #138
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Mr.H wrote: »
    When is the last time arsenal had an actual credible title challenge?

    I'm sure united and arsenal fans would be more than happy to have klopp as manager as oppose to who they currently have

    No and you would have to be stupid to think that 5 games into the season.


  • #139
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,356 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    I don't think the Manchester United job was the right job for him, because he can't play the kind of football that's brought him success there and he knows it.

    Mourinho's success has been built around, tight, compact and defensive football and a lot of the time, it's not great to watch. He aware that United fans and the club won't settle for that kind of football and I don't doubt that when he was in talks for the job that he was told that. He was already overlooked as manager there once and he didn't join the club for a position of power.

    I think he's in uncharted waters now and you can see that he's struggling to set his team up in the right way. He's trying to get United to play a game that against his coaching instincts and I think they're going to fall between what he wants and what he's expected to deliver.


  • #140
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    greendom wrote: »
    This thread was about Mourinho. Is there a boards rule I was unaware of thst Arsenal fans aren't allowed to discuss the failings of other managers?

    Is there one where I can't find something funny?


  • #141
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,839 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Lets give him a bit of time, eh?

    The season's only started. OK I know he has a worse record than Van Gaal, and we all know he was clean useless, but lets give him this season and we will judge him on that.


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  • #142
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    greendom wrote: »
    I'll reserve judgement on that
    RasTa wrote: »
    No and you would have to be stupid to think that 5 games into the season.

    So ye wouldnt take a happy attacking manager who is good with the players the media and the fans?


  • #143
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Mr.H wrote: »
    So ye wouldnt take a happy attacking manager who is good with the players the media and the fans?

    We have that - ok maybe he's not always happy but I can live with that


  • #144
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    Is there one where I can't find something funny?

    not that I'm aware of ?


  • #145
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    *Takes break from soccer from*

    *comes back for a read*


    Still a carousel of annoyance.


  • #146
    [Deleted User]
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    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    That doesn't mean we would be happy with finishing 4th every year. What part are you having trouble with here?

    Arsenal finished 2nd last season and 3rd the season prior? Not a league win but you cant say we're just finishing fourth every year. More than one of us having trouble


  • #147
    [Deleted User]
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    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    And that's Arsenal's problem right there, accepting mediocrity

    I said id take our busted flush over a toxic meglomaniac. I didnt say anything about accepting mediocrity.


  • #148
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Arsenal finished 2nd last season and 3rd the season prior? Not a league win but you cant say we're just finishing fourth every year. More than one of us having trouble

    I didn't say anything about where Arsenal finished.


  • #149
    [Deleted User]
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    Flint Fredstone wrote: »
    I didn't say anything about where Arsenal finished.

    You said on an earlier post

    That doesn't mean we would be happy with finishing 4th every year. What part are you having trouble with here?

    So i said id clarify that Arsenal actually finished second. Its not ideal tbh but its important that people realise that Arsenal havent exactly set fourth as their optimal ambition

    Last season was a real let down given that we were doing so well for a long time but id take it over the season that Mourinho had with Chelsea. That is what United are in for down the line.


  • #150
    mansize
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    Mr.H wrote: »
    When is the last time arsenal had an actual credible title challenge?

    I'm sure united and arsenal fans would be more than happy to have klopp as manager as oppose to who they currently have

    Nope. Klopp's not got a great League Winning record tbf... :cool:


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  • #151
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You said on an earlier post

    That doesn't mean we would be happy with finishing 4th every year. What part are you having trouble with here?

    So i said id clarify that Arsenal actually finished second. Its not ideal tbh but its important that people realise that Arsenal havent exactly set fourth as their optimal ambition

    Last season was a real let down given that we were doing so well for a long time but id take it over the season that Mourinho had with Chelsea. That is what United are in for down the line.

    I wasn't talking about Arsenal. Niallo said finishing top 4 was the sort of mediocrity United fans would accept right now.

    That's what I was replying to. I was saying we wouldn't be happy to finish 4th every season.


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