is Mourinho a busted flush?

That_Guy

He's great for a soundbite for the media and what not but he needs to just keep quiet and focus on progressing his tactics because he's had a really bad 12 months or so.

I'm not sure if he's living off past glories or there's something up with the playing staff he has but that being said, Man United have a good squad there. Something just doesn't seem to be clicking on a consistent basis for whatever reason.

He doesn't help himself when he almost makes everything about him. Can't be helpful in preparation when you have journalists asking players about "the managers comments about x, y and z'.

He's got proven pedigree in the Premier League but I don't think he's got the tools to really progress. I'm sure I might be made eat those words but the football is poisonous from what I've seen so far this season and they were badly outperformed by Manchester City.

He needs players to start stepping up to the mark and just drop Rooney because that whole circus around the "should he start/should he not" stuff is another distraction and he's clearly not performing.

There's a good manager in there somewhere but like Wenger, I think he's hit his limit as to where he can take teams. May not be a popular opinion.

Savman

Rackstar wrote: »

Looks to me like Mourniho has stagnated. The game is evolving but he hasn't evolved with it in the last few years.

Football hasn't evolved, it's going through a phase where high pressing is IN after a decade or so of tiki-tiki. Leicester won the league by playing a very old school counter attacking game, none of this is really revolutionary.

Back on topic, Jose cuts a forlorn figure and he'll find this one a tough stint, but I'd expect him and United to get stronger as the season progresses.

Mr. FoggPatches

crkball6 wrote: »

He's gone from the first united manager to win first 4 competitive matches.

To he should be fired and out the door.

comedy show.

sabat

Well if he loses say 8 in a row he has to go, so in simple terms he's about 3/8 of the way towards being sacked but the fixture list isn't too bad so he probably isn't in imminent danger. The interesting period is the run of games they have between Liverpool on Oct. 17 and Christmas-that's when we'll find out whether he is indeed busted or not.

PhlegmyMoses

A busted flush draw is something that had great potential but never realised it. A correct example of this might be Balotelli as a player or maybe somebody like Roy Keane as a manager. Mourinho is one of the best managers ever.

The correct title for this thread is "Is Jose Mourinho finished at the top level?" And from what I understand, those threads are banned.

For what it's worth, I can understand why people would have their reservations about him after his last season at Chelsea, but let's be real here. United were god awful the last three seasons, and unless he changed the whole team, an immediate impact is a tough ask for anybody. Give him a bit of time and space to do what he needs to, find his best eleven, and I believe we will see a resurgence.

5 games in is madness to be writing him off.

Hopefully he is though.

jaykay74

:rolleyes:

Stupid thread, 5 league matches with 3 wins. Not great but come on like

Richard Hillman

He has definitely lost his mystique. He is not the type or person to walk into a dressing room with the players aweing over him any more.

This whole "tactic" of freezing popular people out for no apparent reason is another thing that is falling flat.

Fergie got better with age.

Mourinho is getting more average with age.

RasTa

Why do people keep on using this stupid term "busted flush" when discussing football.

Busted flush doesn't just refer to poker

RasTa

RasTa wrote: »

Why do people keep on using this stupid term "busted flush" when discussing football.

I blame sky...

rob316

The first few months back at Chelsea I though he had changed learned from his mistakes after Madrid, his football on display was brilliant and the players looked full of confidence but slowly but surely he regressed again. Lets be honest Chelsea absolutely labored and bored us to the finish line that season, the list of credible challengers were nil too.

He cultivates this victim image at the clubs he is at, - UEFA are pro Barca, the ref is out to get him because he spoke against them, the ref is out to get Costa. He created an absolute toxic relationship between Barca and Real while he was there.

You will never see a manager spit the dummy out faster when he doesn't get his way. I think his reputation has taken a large hammering and such has his confidence in his man management skills and that is his greatest strength, been able to motivate.

I don't think he us done but he needs to go away and re-educate himself, managers like Klopp, Pep, Pochettino are the future and he isn't getting with it.

He needs a leader to show up in that United dressing room, never have I seen such a spineless bunch of cowards play for United. Ferguson always had a strong personality or two, I see nothing in this United squad.

Liam McPoyle

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

A busted flush draw is something that had great potential but never realised it. A correct example of this might be Balotelli as a player or maybe somebody like Roy Keane as a manager. Mourinho is one of the best managers ever.

The correct title for this thread is "Is Jose Mourinho finished at the top level?" And from what I understand, those threads are banned.

For what it's worth, I can understand why people would have their reservations about him after his last season at Chelsea, but let's be real here. United were god awful the last three seasons, and unless he changed the whole team, an immediate impact is a tough ask for anybody. Give him a bit of time and space to do what he needs to, find his best eleven, and I believe we will see a resurgence.

Id thank this twice if I could.

Its clear there are still a lot of passengers in the squad.

Rooney is being shoehorned into the team for some unknown reason meaning that players that are better in that position are being left out.

One of our best players last year has been terribly out of sorts this year so far.

We have had 7 competitive games thus far and won 4.

There is clearly a wealth of talent in the team it's just a matter of getting it right and I've no doubt that Jose will get it right.

If next May comes and we fall outside the top 4 then eyebrows will rightly be raised. After the financial backing he has received then they would have to be.

But to question one of the most successful managers of all time after 3 defeats is completely witless.

Its wishful thinking from some, its hand wringing over reaction from others.

bucketybuck

I think people are still projecting past acts onto this seasons Mourinho, you even have one person talking about "soundbites" and "making everything about him" when lets be honest, he hasn't really said anything worth talking about since becoming United manager. He hasn't had any public spats, hasn't hit out at anybody in the press and beyond one bog-standard "the referee wasn't great" comment hasn't blamed anybody for anything. All he has really done is see the team that has been **** for 3 years play **** once again.

I'm a little disappointed in him, particularly with regards to the Rooney situation, but people are really jumping the gun with silly threads like this.

~Rebel~

RasTa wrote: »

Why do people keep on using this stupid term "busted flush" when discussing football.

"Is Mourinho a set of headphones, where the cable has kind of frayed on one side, and it still works sometimes, but you have to jiggle it first, and then not breath when you hit the sweet spot."

54and56

He's just carrying on with the poor decision making (shoehorning Rooney into the team, playing Pogba out of position etc) and divisive dressing room behavior (blaming his own players for their weak mentality) that got him sacked from Chelsea last season and will get him sacked again from Utd before the end of this season.

United appointed him on the basis of his historic rather than recent managerial performance and that was a huge mistake. Sir Bobby Charlton didn't want him anywhere near the club. They should have listened to his wisdom.

PropJoe10

It's only 5 games in, but there's a few worrying signs for United fans - namely the blaming of the players in the press. It looks to me as if he's still in siege mentality mode after Chelsea, and that'll only get worse if they lose to Leicester next week. They need some results to settle things down, and fast.

Iused2likebusts

He has 9 pts from 5 games a decent start. Its no shame to lose to city so we are really only talking about a loss to Watford with a very short turnaround from an away European game. A bit early for a thread like this to say the least.

gosplan

8 months ago.

Football people including Man U fans: 'it's possible Jose has lost his mojo'

Chelsea fans: 'knee jerk much?'

This week

Football people including Chelsea fans:
'It's possible Jose has lost his mojo'

Man U fans: 'overreact much?'



Overall though, it's obvious he's not quite where he was a few years back. He might still be fine but then equally it might go wrong.

Time will tell

8-10

Far too early for this type of nonsense. United have one of the best squads in the league and we're only halfway through September for God's sake! I still think United will win the league this season and if they don't they'll be significantly stronger in 2017/18. It's very wishful thinking on rival fan's part to think he's a spent force and I would be completely surprised if the likes of Klopp, Wenger, Conte, Pep etc were thinking it

Tabloid thinking at its finest

Zebra3

GavRedKing wrote: »

Hard to tell, its been a seriously bad 12 months for Jose though and after losing his dream job he doesnt look happy but I wouldnt be writing him off just yet.

He never got his dream job and as result has had a grudge against Barça and Pep ever since.




As an aside, Stephen Kenny is lucky Dundalk got that late equaliser on Thursday night....

:rolleyes:

pudzey101

no but pogba is seriously looking like a busted flop...

jaykay74

pudzey101 wrote: »

no but pogba is seriously looking like a busted flop...

sell Pogba, sack Jose...

Too Tough To Die

The problem with Mourinho is that players think he's a cnut. Long gone are the days where guys like JT, Lamps and Drogs would run through walls for him. His time at Madrid was very damaging to his reputation and the incident with the Chelsea doctor likewise. Never seen such a dramatic case of a manager losing the dressing room.

bucketybuck

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It's only 5 games in, but there's a few worrying signs for United fans - namely the blaming of the players in the press.

Your point is based on something that isn't actually true.

PropJoe10

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your point is based on something that isn't actually true.

He hasn't had a go at Luke Shaw for not pressing in both the City and Watford games, then?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-manager-jose-mourinho-8870058

BorneTobyWilde

He's so special now he could have qualify for the Olympics .

Utopia Parkway

Seems to throw his players under the bus in public far more these days than he used to do during his first spell in English football. Which I can only imagine contributed to the Chelsea players basically downing tools and not playing for him last season. He's still new at United so depends how long the players there go from thinking they would run through a wall for him to actually wanting to put his head through the same wall.

citytillidie

crkball6 wrote: »

He's gone from the first united manager to win first 4 competitive matches.

To he should be fired and out the door.

comedy show.

Some going there to win 4 of 6 games with 3 losses