2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

RobertKK · 19-09-2016 11:35PM

alastair wrote: »

It's proscribed, and no - very few counties have, and in those cases because they're ideologically opposed - as with Saudi Arabia, or because they're afraid of their own Muslim minorities, like Russia. The Muslim Botherhood is not proscribed as a terrorist group by any western nation, and isn't even designated as a terrorist group by the Israelis.

Well if they had managed to stay in power it would not have been long before they would have been designated a terrorist group by Israel given their support of Hamas.
The IRA were illegal in the UK and Ireland, but not in most other countries. They were illegal where they were a problem.

RobertKK · 19-09-2016 11:43PM

Overheal wrote: »

I'm engaging what YOU said, when you suggested he is against "stupid wars" "isolationist" and "against regime change [through intervention]"

You weren't speaking in the past tense. Where is your gymnastics certificate from?

edit: furthermore, what he does in the future is paramount to his campaign. So you admit he's going to be a warmonger if elected.

Was Trump speaking about a future Iraqi war with the Americans as invaders?
No.
The only warmonger in the presidential campaign is cold-hearted Hillary Clinton, who has always gone for the extreme option.

Overheal · 19-09-2016 11:48PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Was Trump speaking about a future Iraqi war with the Americans as invaders?
No.
The only warmonger in the presidential campaign is cold-hearted Hillary Clinton, who has always gone for the extreme option.

Its hard to wrap ones head around your logic here

Because he wasn't talking about Iraq, it's ok for him then to talk about bombing infrastructure and stealing foreign resources. As long as it's not Iraq. And therefore that makes him some kind of anti-war pacifist. As long as Exxon is doing the invading. Even though we will be doing the bombing. And providing the protection. And holding off the ensuing insurgency. As long as we don't call it a war it won't be a war. But it's a war.

It's really hard to tell if you're pulling my leg here or if you really don't see how self conflicting your position is.

And the kicker: Hillary is the cold hearted one. Not Trump, who said we should piss on the Geneva Convention

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/02/trump-on-islamic-state-terrorism-you-have-to-take-out-their-families/

But no remind me again how Clinton is the cold hearted one. Don is the peace loving never hurt a fly Ghandi figure is he?

RobertKK · 19-09-2016 11:57PM

Overheal wrote: »

Its hard to wrap ones head around your logic here

Because he wasn't talking about Iraq, it's ok for him then to talk about bombing infrastructure and stealing foreign resources. As long as it's not Iraq. And therefore that makes him some kind of anti-war pacifist. As long as Exxon is doing the invading. Even though we will be doing the bombing. And providing the protection. And holding off the ensuing insurgency. As long as we don't call it a war it won't be a war. But it's a war.

It's really hard to tell if you're pulling my leg here or if you really don't see how self conflicting your position is.

I saw him say that but it was in terms of the war costing over $2 trillion and it was in that context he said about the oil.
He also argued why have these wars that cost so much when US infrastructure needs massive investment - roads, rail, bridges, airports.
Why spend money on wars in countries where they are not wanted, when that money could be spent inside the US on it's own people.
He also said these wars have not made things better.
Meanwhile Hillary argues that the US should have launched a war against Syria to remove Assad.
If Trump does as he says, and if Hillary does what she wants, then under Hillary, the world will be in a far greater mess.

RobertKK · 20-09-2016 12:02AM

Overheal wrote: »

Its hard to wrap ones head around your logic here

Because he wasn't talking about Iraq, it's ok for him then to talk about bombing infrastructure and stealing foreign resources. As long as it's not Iraq. And therefore that makes him some kind of anti-war pacifist. As long as Exxon is doing the invading. Even though we will be doing the bombing. And providing the protection. And holding off the ensuing insurgency. As long as we don't call it a war it won't be a war. But it's a war.

It's really hard to tell if you're pulling my leg here or if you really don't see how self conflicting your position is.

And the kicker: Hillary is the cold hearted one. Not Trump, who said we should piss on the Geneva Convention

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/02/trump-on-islamic-state-terrorism-you-have-to-take-out-their-families/

But no remind me again how Clinton is the cold hearted one. Don is the peace loving never hurt a fly Ghandi figure is he?

Only a cold-hearted killer could laugh at instigating the murder of Gaddafi and how he was killed.

98% of people killed by Obama drone attacks are civilians, hundreds of children killed yet nothing, and this really took off under the Obama/Clinton regime.
You would swear Trump was going to start some new policy.

Overheal · 20-09-2016 12:13AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Only a cold-hearted killer could laugh at instigating the murder of Gaddafi and how he was killed.

bless your bleeding heart. I guess these memes are atrocious then.

uXa3EGt

And New York is full of sick twisted bastards

And what's the outrage about? This??

Hardly worthy of her own caricature on Criminal Minds. This is the laugh that has your stomach so upturned? :rolleyes: you make it seem like she went into full Mwahahaaha after describing how his extremities were cut off with pliers before being eaten alive by spiders or that she puts Robot Nixon to shame or something:

RobertKK · 20-09-2016 12:36AM

Overheal wrote: »

bless your bleeding heart. I guess these memes are atrocious then.

And New York is full of sick twisted bastards

And what's the outrage about? This??

Hardly worthy of her own caricature on Criminal Minds. This is the laugh that has your stomach so upturned? :rolleyes: you make it seem like she went into full Mwahahaaha after describing how his extremities were cut off with pliers before being eaten alive by spiders.

She even claps her hands...
Her policies have been absolute failures, which have brought misery, death and destruction to tens of millions of people, and she wants more of the same.
She has been and is a disgrace, she and the other leaders who destroyed Iraq, Libya and encouraged a rag bag of terrorists in Syria should be in the Hague answering for what they have done to this world.
Plus bring in Clinton's friend Paul Kagame to answer for his regimes crimes too...

Overheal · 20-09-2016 12:47AM

So she clapped her hand. Whoop? What a contrived controversy. Just to inject you with some perspective:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/12/trump-repulsively-celebrates-deaths-50-americans-orlando-terror-attack.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/trump-uses-a-chicago-mothers-death-to-celebrate-himself.html

Again I'll ask for any evidence relating ties to Kagame and US Politics because you've mentioned him a lot without backing up any of your claims

InTheTrees · 20-09-2016 01:37AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Her policies have been absolute failures, which have brought misery, death and destruction to tens of millions of people, and she wants more of the same.

Her "policies"??

I dont think you really understand what the secretary of state does. They dont have "policies".

Overheal · 20-09-2016 03:27AM

Trump camp really has the pulse of intellect here

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778016283342307328/photo/1

conditioned games · 20-09-2016 08:10AM

Overheal wrote: »

Trump camp really has the pulse of intellect here

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778016283342307328/photo/1

We should start giving those skittles to the Syrians and save us from the baggage they bring with them.

fran17 · 20-09-2016 09:26AM

Overheal wrote: »

So she clapped her hand. Whoop? What a contrived controversy. Just to inject you with some perspective:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/12/trump-repulsively-celebrates-deaths-50-americans-orlando-terror-attack.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/trump-uses-a-chicago-mothers-death-to-celebrate-himself.html

Again I'll ask for any evidence relating ties to Kagame and US Politics because you've mentioned him a lot without backing up any of your claims

Also in the interest of perspective,the video showing the death of the man she laughs so flippantly about involved him being sodomised with a bayonet prior to his murder.

TheDoctor · 20-09-2016 09:41AM

7 weeks to Armageddon

alastair · 20-09-2016 09:42AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well if they had managed to stay in power it would not have been long before they would have been designated a terrorist group by Israel given their support of Hamas.
The IRA were illegal in the UK and Ireland, but not in most other countries. They were illegal where they were a problem.

The Provisional IRA was a designated terrorist group in the USA and the EU. You really should stop digging. There's a reason that the MB are not proscribed in all these countries, and the Israelis are well aware of the MB support for Hamas, which actually was constrained by their going into government, so quite why their staying in power would have prompted any change by the Israelis is something of a mystery.

alastair · 20-09-2016 09:44AM

conditioned games wrote: »

We should start giving those skittles to the Syrians and save us from the baggage they bring with them.

There's no great mystery about who actually ate all the skittles though, in fairness.

TheDoctor · 20-09-2016 09:49AM

Overheal wrote: »

Trump camp really has the pulse of intellect here

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778016283342307328/photo/1

He's appealing to his support base - you're not going to find much intellect there.

hatrickpatrick · 20-09-2016 09:55AM

So it looks like Clinton's head of IT turned to Reddit for help with deleting, or failing that altering, the emails of a "V VIP" ("very VIP") on the sly, and some sleuths managed to follow the trail and uncover the posts.

What adds some serious credence to the story is that the person involved, extremely foolishly, began deleting their messages from their old Reddit account once the blog started to go viral, which was caught on video. Additionally, other websites which automatically archive large subreddits still have the original posts on record.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-email-it-guy-caught-asked-destroy-evidence/

As word began circulating that Combetta had been caught red-handed asking how to illegally forge Hillary’s e-mails, the man known as ‘stonetear’ began deleting his messages on the forum.

Twitter user Erik Jones took video in which he refreshed his screen to show the messages disappearing.

And here's the original post by "Stonetear":

[July 24, 2014] Hello all- I may be facing a very interesting situation where I need to strip out a VIP’s (VERY VIP) email address from a bunch of archived email that I have both in a live Exchange mailbox, as well as a PST file. Basically, they don’t want the VIP’s email address exposed to anyone, and want to be able to either strip out or replace the email address in the to/from fields in all of the emails we want to send out.

I am not sure if something like this is possible with PowerShell, or exporting all of the emails to MSG and doing find/replaces with a batch processing program of some sort.

Does anyone have experience with something like this, and/or suggestions on how this might be accomplished?

And finally,

It’s important to note the date, which was within 24 hours of a recent New York Post report that showed Combetta at that time trying to ship archived data to Clinton Executive Services Corp., or CESC, which handles logistics for Hillary and Bill Clinton.

Was this the same data he was trying to forge or strip of evidence?

Combetta would eventually delete the archive of Clinton emails and scrub them from the server, knowing full-well the House Committee on Benghazi had requested retention of the information.

Predictably but incredibly depressingly,

Combetta has reportedly been given immunity by the Obama Justice Department and was not charged.

Here's one question: Can such immunity be subsequently revoked if new evidence comes to light later on in an investigation?

Black Swan · 20-09-2016 10:01AM

Seth Meyers in a Closer Look summarizes the recent complete reversal of Donald Trump regarding Obama's birth last Friday, while documenting how Trump was an active birther for the past 5 years, despite Trump claims otherwise. Trump called a press conference to deal with the birther issue. But Donald Trump spends more time announcing his new hotel opening than the few seconds for birther. This raises the question to what extent the Trump presidency will financially profit Donald Trump and the Trump family, just like when Ivanka Trump sold her new pink dress during the RNC. Chuck Todd interviewed live Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway during Meet the Press and questioned how Trump will wall off his business and family profit interests, but mysteriously the news feed was cut before she could answer.

In 2000 Donald Trump told Fortune magazine, “It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”

conditioned games · 20-09-2016 01:19PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

He's appealing to his support base - you're not going to find much intellect there.

His support base don't want these refugees where some grow into terrorists. They have the intelligence to know what's not good for them as opposed to the Clinton camp the brings them in from everywhere. You wont find much intellect in the Clinton camp.

Amerika · 20-09-2016 01:26PM

Black Swan wrote: »

Seth Meyers in a Closer Look summarizes the recent complete reversal of Donald Trump regarding Obama's birth last Friday, while documenting how Trump was an active birther for the past 5 years, despite Trump claims otherwise. Trump called a press conference to deal with the birther issue. But Donald Trump spends more time announcing his new hotel opening than the few seconds for birther. This raises the question to what extent the Trump presidency will financially profit Donald Trump and the Trump family, just like when Ivanka Trump sold her new pink dress during the RNC. Chuck Todd interviewed live Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway during Meet the Press and questioned how Trump will wall off his business and family profit interests, but mysteriously the news feed was cut before she could answer.

In 2000 Donald Trump told Fortune magazine, “It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”

No story here. Trump said he would hand off the job of running the Trump business to his three kids.

But in other events...

If elected president, Hillary Clinton could pull off three historic firsts. First woman elected US president, first spouse of a previous president elected POTUS, and first president to be impeached on day one of their presidency.

Even though Obama’s politically motivated Department Of Justice refused to indict her for her crimes, it doesn’t matter if the majority of House members in the next Congress believe she committed injuries to the society when she was extremely careless in the mishandling of classified information as SOS. Her inauguration would take place within the time-frame of the statute of limitations of the alleged crimes for which she was recently investigated, and could be impeached for ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanors.’

Overheal · 20-09-2016 01:28PM

conditioned games wrote: »

His support base don't want these refugees where some grow into terrorists. They have the intelligence to know what's not good for them as opposed to the Clinton camp the brings them in from everywhere. You wont find much intellect in the Clinton camp.

What should we do about the home grown terror problem though? A much higher rate of domestic terrorists exists

Pro Hoc Vice · 20-09-2016 01:29PM

Amerika wrote: »

No story here. Trump said he would hand off the job of running the Trump business to his three kids.

But in other events...

If elected president, Hillary Clinton could pull off three historic firsts. First woman elected US president, first spouse of a previous president elected POTUS, and first president to be impeached on day one of their presidency.

Even though Obama’s politically motivated Department Of Justice refused to indict her for her crimes, it doesn’t matter if the majority of House members in the next Congress believe she committed injuries to the society when she was extremely careless in the mishandling of classified information as SOS. Her inauguration would take place within the time-frame of the statute of limitations of the alleged crimes for which she was recently investigated, and could be impeached for ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanors.’

In relation the the kids running of the business you understand the concept of a blind thrust. If the family continue to run the business a huge issue of conflict of interest. Just one example Trump's latest hotel "the best in the world" in DC guess who the landlord is?

Overheal · 20-09-2016 01:30PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

In relation the the kids running of the business you understand the concept of a blind thrust. If the family continue to run the business a huge issue of conflict of interest. Just one example Trump's latest hotel "the best in the world" in DC guess who the landlord is?

Historically, politicians and hotels do not go well together.

Pro Hoc Vice · 20-09-2016 01:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

Historically, politicians and hotels do not go well together.

Especially DC hotels!

AbusesToilets · 20-09-2016 01:40PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

In relation the the kids running of the business you understand the concept of a blind thrust. If the family continue to run the business a huge issue of conflict of interest. Just one example Trump's latest hotel "the best in the world" in DC guess who the landlord is?

Are you going to back up your claim of me lying or are you going to retract your comment?

Amerika · 20-09-2016 01:41PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

In relation the the kids running of the business you understand the concept of a blind thrust. If the family continue to run the business a huge issue of conflict of interest. Just one example Trump's latest hotel "the best in the world" in DC guess who the landlord is?

Why would it be a conflict of interest? Our Constitution allows Trump to be president and still run his business, and he is even allowed to promote policies that advance his interests. It's Cabinet members who have to recuse themselves from any decisions that might benefit them financially, including issues that would affect close family members. The President and Vice President are excluded from those restrictions.

Anything Trump does in handing over the control of his businesses goes above what is required of him as president.

And why worry about it? You don’t seem to have any problem about how Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State boosted her husband’s speaking fees, and benefited well-connected friends via her family’s Clinton Global Initiative, and her potential run for President. Or is it just because it’s Trump?

Pro Hoc Vice · 20-09-2016 01:42PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Are you going to back up your claim of me lying or are you going to retract your comment?

Nope you are a liar.

Mod: Poster banned.

Pro Hoc Vice · 20-09-2016 01:44PM

Amerika wrote: »

Why would it be a conflict of interest? Our Constitution allows Trump to be president and still run his business, and he is even allowed to promote policies that advance his interests. It's Cabinet members who have to recuse themselves from any decisions that might benefit them financially, including issues that would affect close family members. The President and Vice President are excluded from those restrictions.

Anything Trump does in handing over the control of his businesses goes above what is required of him as president.

And why worry about it? You don’t seem to have any problem about how Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State boosted her husband’s speaking fees, and benefited well-connected friends via her family’s Clinton Global Initiative, and her potential run for President. Or is it just because it’s Trump?

http://congressionalresearch.com/RS21656/document.php

In relation to Clinton no matter how she might want to she can't put her husband in a blind trust.

Overheal · 20-09-2016 01:44PM

The Clinton Global Initiative funny you mention it, is already prepared to take measures that ensure no conflict of interest in the event of her election. But good try.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-campaign-2016-bill-clinton-20160919-story,amp.html?client=safari

AbusesToilets · 20-09-2016 01:49PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Nope you are a liar.

Evidence to back up that claim?

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