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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #8432
    MF290
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭MF290


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Because it has to be imported...there is no native fert manufacturing industry to create a market (competition)...

    Cereals (ration or nuts) could go the same way if there's no native production.

    Live and let live.

    European fertiliser manufacturing doesn't have to be competitive when they're protected by tariffs on imported fert


  • #8433
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    freedominacup wrote: »
    I had a kind of uni experience vicariously through Mrs freedom. You'd be surprised how many peoples college experience could be summed up by your post.

    So true. Spent time studying hydrology and was longing to go back to Phil...feckin waster.
    What's for you will come by you.


  • #8434
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Which one?

    But I'll ask you again.
    Why did irish dairy farmers get (someone remind me how much it was again) money last year?

    Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

    I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends :)


  • #8435
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

    I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends :)

    I couldn't care less if Mahoney sold the farm to pay for his holiday. That's his business.

    Yes I inherited the farm. I didn't marry in to it. I didn't work at something else first and buy the farm. I didn't win the lotto and buy the farm. I didn't get a big sfp to help me buy more land every year. I inherited the farm.

    Your point.


  • #8436
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

    I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends :)

    Your in some form tonight...!!!!


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  • #8437
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Which one?


    Why did irish dairy farmers get (someone remind me how much it was again) money last year?

    Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.


  • #8438
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    I couldn't care less if Mahoney sold the farm to pay for his holiday. That's his business.

    Yes I inherited the farm. I didn't marry in to it. I didn't work at something else first and buy the farm. I didn't win the lotto and buy the farm. I didn't get a big sfp to help me buy more land every year. I inherited the farm.

    Your point.

    What quota did your parents/relations have?

    Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!


  • #8439
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.

    Not all of the em dawg..... I couldn't give a ****e! Price will be what the price will be....


  • #8440
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.

    Who did though?

    You're trying to encourage irish dairy farmers into protesting. All the while moaning about your frog dairy farmers protesting or your young farmers getting aid.

    What's it going to be next?


  • #8441
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    awaywithyou wrote: »
    Not all of the em dawg..... I couldn't give a ****e! Price will be what the price will be....

    True.


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  • #8442
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Dawggone wrote: »
    What quota did your parents/relations have?

    Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!

    Ease up on Mahoney.

    31000 gallons quota.

    Anything else wrong with you or do you want to know what's in my bank account or bps?


  • #8443
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Who did though?

    You're trying to encourage irish dairy farmers into protesting. All the while moaning about your frog dairy farmers protesting or your young farmers getting aid.

    What's it going to be next?

    I've been championing the average Irish dairy family on here for years now.

    It fair smacks of arrogance/entitlement when you post about moaning tillage/beef/sheep farmers, when the half billion aid from Brussels goes exclusively to dairy.
    Settle...

    If you want to continue the debate I'll need to discuss your contribution to the industry. It's very easy to discuss sick when you've been well protected from nausea.


  • #8444
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Dawggone wrote: »
    What quota did your parents/relations have?

    Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!

    Sweet jesus.... Dawg... Mahoney is gonna get you :)


  • #8445
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I've been championing the average Irish dairy family on here for years now.

    It fair smacks of arrogance/entitlement when you post about moaning tillage/beef/sheep farmers, when the half billion aid from Brussels goes exclusively to dairy.
    Settle...

    If you want to continue the debate I'll need to discuss your contribution to the industry. It's very easy to discuss sick when you've been well protected from nausea.

    Arrogance and moaning.
    Hmm what's that like? Tell me.


  • #8446
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Ah theyre always moaning.
    Couldn't be listening to em.
    If it's not tillage it's the sheep or the beef.
    Moaney farmers moan moan moan.

    Nobody forces anyone to farm.

    This.


  • #8447
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Dawggone wrote: »
    This.

    Ah listen I could turn that mirror right back on you and the small family farm comes in handy sometimes. :rollseyes:

    Right I'm off to bed before I get a ban.


  • #8448
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Aghh jaysus missed all the excitement ,agree with dwag though if I was a tillage /beef /sheep farmer I'd be fair pissed looking at how well us dairy farmers are protected we gave the guts of 30!years looking for quotas to go and within 1.5 years of them going were getting 2 ski holiday funds and and spending money for them to reduce supply .........


  • #8449
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Aghh jaysus missed all the excitement ,agree with dwag though if I was a tillage /beef /sheep farmer I'd be fair pissed looking at how well us dairy farmers are protected we gave the guts of 30!years looking for quotas to go and within 1.5 years of them going were getting 2 ski holiday funds and and spending money for them to reduce supply .........

    Merci beaucoup Mahoney.

    QED.


  • #8450
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Interesting debate, definitely an uneven playing field but that's even within the sectors not just between them. 0 quota given here 0 stock, 0 milking machine, actual loans I inherited and bps of 7k (just a fool willing to work)Took me ten yrs just to catch up with other guys. All circumstances are different but the harder one works the more they improve. No ski/normal holidays here for 3 years. I'm off to milk in my ****e diy parlour!


  • #8451
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Is this not all ould fella in the pub guff talk though.
    What difference does any of this make?
    I've milked here all my life. My choice it's what I like. I started off by helping my father lift buckets of milk in a bucket plant into the bulk tank and then we progressed to a pipeline in a tie up byte.(Which took some of the Labour out of it). Now when I took over I got a shed built and between myself and father we did all the concrete work. Then I bought a second-hand parlour and put that in. It was a big improvement. I also now drained land and reseed most years. I've never been on a holiday since ag college (again my choice I suppose ) but finance does come into it as well. All this talk of entitlement and arrogance. It don't come from me anyway.

    I don't begrudge anyone what they get which is hard when you see the big figures in bps from Brussels and still the same people are not happy. I can't understand it. Now that bugs the he'll out of me.


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  • #8452
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,752 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Mooooo wrote: »
    I'm stubbornly stuck at 3.6 . Averaged 3.9 for Sept last year. Scc is up as well. Maybe I pushed them too hard the last few weeks
    My teat sparay unit broke a while ago, scc went up well over 200k, bought 2 of the little spray bottles in dealz for 1.50 scc back to 120 :)


  • #8453
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Mooooo wrote: »
    I'm stubbornly stuck at 3.6 . Averaged 3.9 for Sept last year. Scc is up as well. Maybe I pushed them too hard the last few weeks
    My teat sparay unit broke a while ago, scc went up well over 200k, bought 2 of the little spray bottles in dealz for 1.50 scc back to 120 :)
    Do you pre spray? Dried off a couple of high scc culls with the autumn calvers and got machine serviced liners changed scc still went up. Have found two clinical cases. Will record next week and see where I stand. Had a spring calver lost a calf last week as well to compound issues. No results back yet from her.


  • #8454
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,752 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    no dont pre spray unless a problem, actually was milk recording here this morning. Had just started milking yesterday evening and calf man arrived,recorder here aswell. Sent calf man out to paddock and he took 7 calves, saves a trip to the mart today


  • #8455
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Because it has to be imported...there is no native fert manufacturing industry to create a market (competition)...

    Cereals (ration or nuts) could go the same way if there's no native production.

    Live and let live.

    This is the trick. You're right about the second bit in one way dawg but I'm not so sure about the first. A semi-state outfit creating a market (competition) for foreign suppliers, more like creating a margin.

    On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.


  • #8456
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Mooooo wrote:
    Do you pre spray? Dried off a couple of high scc culls with the autumn calvers and got machine serviced liners changed scc still went up. Have found two clinical cases. Will record next week and see where I stand. Had a spring calver lost a calf last week as well to compound issues. No results back yet from her.

    Had on cow that was 2.2 million. Scc went from 112k to 175k because of 1 cow.... It doesn't take a lot to cause a problem


  • #8457
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    freedominacup wrote:
    On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.


    I always buy direct off my local tillage farmer. Then I crimp the wheat. We both get a good deal and cut out the middle man.


  • #8458
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    I buy my straw from the same few tillage farmers every year. I always pay promptly and draw from the field quickly.

    This year I'm buying rolled barley to try out. So we'll see how that goes.

    I depend on them and them on me.
    Always been that way.


  • #8459
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    freedominacup wrote: »
    This is the trick. You're right about the second bit in one way dawg but I'm not so sure about the first. A semi-state outfit creating a market (competition) for foreign suppliers, more like creating a margin.

    On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.

    I completely disagree re: GM

    Do you really think a drop in Irish production of grain is going to do anything for world supply?
    It's Australia, russia, france and America that are the big players and the ones causing it. Ireland uses most of the grain it produces.

    GM offers the solution IMO. A lot less costs to growing crops and a lot more yield. It's the future.


  • #8460
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    I strongly disagree. In fact I think we are seriously affecting our market. We have a huge population of coeliacs( people who have trouble digesting wheat)in this country and the world. It's getting bigger every year and for some reason the older wheat varieties like spelt don't seem to upset them half as much. Were going for bigger yields but these wheats are not as digestible as the older variety. It's going to be a huge problem down the road.


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  • #8461
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,282 ✭✭✭alps


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    I completely disagree re: GM

    Do you really think a drop in Irish production of grain is going to do anything for world supply?
    It's Australia, russia, france and America that are the big players and the ones causing it. Ireland uses most of the grain it produces.

    GM offers the solution IMO. A lot less costs to growing crops and a lot more yield. It's the future.

    Differentiation from the rest....that's what we should be at rather than the continuation with this nonsense of embryoling ourselves in the commodity slave game.

    We have the ultimate chance of differentiation...

    Continual, long term differentiation because as the rest go GM there is no back....


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