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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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MF290

Dawggone wrote: »

Because it has to be imported...there is no native fert manufacturing industry to create a market (competition)...

Cereals (ration or nuts) could go the same way if there's no native production.

Live and let live.

European fertiliser manufacturing doesn't have to be competitive when they're protected by tariffs on imported fert

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

I had a kind of uni experience vicariously through Mrs freedom. You'd be surprised how many peoples college experience could be summed up by your post.

So true. Spent time studying hydrology and was longing to go back to Phil...feckin waster.
What's for you will come by you.

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Which one?

But I'll ask you again.
Why did irish dairy farmers get (someone remind me how much it was again) money last year?

Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends

I couldn't care less if Mahoney sold the farm to pay for his holiday. That's his business.

Yes I inherited the farm. I didn't marry in to it. I didn't work at something else first and buy the farm. I didn't win the lotto and buy the farm. I didn't get a big sfp to help me buy more land every year. I inherited the farm.

Your point.

awaywithyou

Dawggone wrote: »

Did you inherit your farm? <-- That one!

I don't know how much dairy farmers have been given in handouts but I'm sure Mahoney has a good account of the holiday spends

Your in some form tonight...!!!!

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Which one?

Why did irish dairy farmers get (someone remind me how much it was again) money last year?

Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I couldn't care less if Mahoney sold the farm to pay for his holiday. That's his business.

Yes I inherited the farm. I didn't marry in to it. I didn't work at something else first and buy the farm. I didn't win the lotto and buy the farm. I didn't get a big sfp to help me buy more land every year. I inherited the farm.

Your point.

What quota did your parents/relations have?

Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!

awaywithyou

Dawggone wrote: »

Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.

Not all of the em dawg..... I couldn't give a ****e! Price will be what the price will be....

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Because they moaned and moaned...and moaned. Sigh.

Who did though?

You're trying to encourage irish dairy farmers into protesting. All the while moaning about your frog dairy farmers protesting or your young farmers getting aid.

What's it going to be next?

Dawggone

awaywithyou wrote: »

Not all of the em dawg..... I couldn't give a ****e! Price will be what the price will be....

True.

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

What quota did your parents/relations have?

Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!

Ease up on Mahoney.

31000 gallons quota.

Anything else wrong with you or do you want to know what's in my bank account or bps?

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who did though?

You're trying to encourage irish dairy farmers into protesting. All the while moaning about your frog dairy farmers protesting or your young farmers getting aid.

What's it going to be next?

I've been championing the average Irish dairy family on here for years now.

It fair smacks of arrogance/entitlement when you post about moaning tillage/beef/sheep farmers, when the half billion aid from Brussels goes exclusively to dairy.
Settle...

If you want to continue the debate I'll need to discuss your contribution to the industry. It's very easy to discuss sick when you've been well protected from nausea.

awaywithyou

Dawggone wrote: »

What quota did your parents/relations have?

Mahoney's way too smart to decapitalise to pay for his skiing holiday...he just awaits for Brussels to gift it to him!

Sweet jesus.... Dawg... Mahoney is gonna get you

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

I've been championing the average Irish dairy family on here for years now.

It fair smacks of arrogance/entitlement when you post about moaning tillage/beef/sheep farmers, when the half billion aid from Brussels goes exclusively to dairy.
Settle...

If you want to continue the debate I'll need to discuss your contribution to the industry. It's very easy to discuss sick when you've been well protected from nausea.

Arrogance and moaning.
Hmm what's that like? Tell me.

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Ah theyre always moaning.
Couldn't be listening to em.
If it's not tillage it's the sheep or the beef.
Moaney farmers moan moan moan.

Nobody forces anyone to farm.

This.

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

This.

Ah listen I could turn that mirror right back on you and the small family farm comes in handy sometimes. :rollseyes:

Right I'm off to bed before I get a ban.

mahoney_j

Aghh jaysus missed all the excitement ,agree with dwag though if I was a tillage /beef /sheep farmer I'd be fair pissed looking at how well us dairy farmers are protected we gave the guts of 30!years looking for quotas to go and within 1.5 years of them going were getting 2 ski holiday funds and and spending money for them to reduce supply .........

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Aghh jaysus missed all the excitement ,agree with dwag though if I was a tillage /beef /sheep farmer I'd be fair pissed looking at how well us dairy farmers are protected we gave the guts of 30!years looking for quotas to go and within 1.5 years of them going were getting 2 ski holiday funds and and spending money for them to reduce supply .........

Merci beaucoup Mahoney.

QED.

kevthegaff

Interesting debate, definitely an uneven playing field but that's even within the sectors not just between them. 0 quota given here 0 stock, 0 milking machine, actual loans I inherited and bps of 7k (just a fool willing to work)Took me ten yrs just to catch up with other guys. All circumstances are different but the harder one works the more they improve. No ski/normal holidays here for 3 years. I'm off to milk in my ****e diy parlour!

pedigree 6

Is this not all ould fella in the pub guff talk though.
What difference does any of this make?
I've milked here all my life. My choice it's what I like. I started off by helping my father lift buckets of milk in a bucket plant into the bulk tank and then we progressed to a pipeline in a tie up byte.(Which took some of the Labour out of it). Now when I took over I got a shed built and between myself and father we did all the concrete work. Then I bought a second-hand parlour and put that in. It was a big improvement. I also now drained land and reseed most years. I've never been on a holiday since ag college (again my choice I suppose ) but finance does come into it as well. All this talk of entitlement and arrogance. It don't come from me anyway.

I don't begrudge anyone what they get which is hard when you see the big figures in bps from Brussels and still the same people are not happy. I can't understand it. Now that bugs the he'll out of me.

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

I'm stubbornly stuck at 3.6 . Averaged 3.9 for Sept last year. Scc is up as well. Maybe I pushed them too hard the last few weeks

My teat sparay unit broke a while ago, scc went up well over 200k, bought 2 of the little spray bottles in dealz for 1.50 scc back to 120

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

I'm stubbornly stuck at 3.6 . Averaged 3.9 for Sept last year. Scc is up as well. Maybe I pushed them too hard the last few weeks

My teat sparay unit broke a while ago, scc went up well over 200k, bought 2 of the little spray bottles in dealz for 1.50 scc back to 120

Do you pre spray? Dried off a couple of high scc culls with the autumn calvers and got machine serviced liners changed scc still went up. Have found two clinical cases. Will record next week and see where I stand. Had a spring calver lost a calf last week as well to compound issues. No results back yet from her.

whelan2

no dont pre spray unless a problem, actually was milk recording here this morning. Had just started milking yesterday evening and calf man arrived,recorder here aswell. Sent calf man out to paddock and he took 7 calves, saves a trip to the mart today

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Because it has to be imported...there is no native fert manufacturing industry to create a market (competition)...

Cereals (ration or nuts) could go the same way if there's no native production.

Live and let live.

This is the trick. You're right about the second bit in one way dawg but I'm not so sure about the first. A semi-state outfit creating a market (competition) for foreign suppliers, more like creating a margin.

On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.

blackdog1

Mooooo wrote:

Do you pre spray? Dried off a couple of high scc culls with the autumn calvers and got machine serviced liners changed scc still went up. Have found two clinical cases. Will record next week and see where I stand. Had a spring calver lost a calf last week as well to compound issues. No results back yet from her.

Had on cow that was 2.2 million. Scc went from 112k to 175k because of 1 cow.... It doesn't take a lot to cause a problem

blackdog1

freedominacup wrote:

On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.

I always buy direct off my local tillage farmer. Then I crimp the wheat. We both get a good deal and cut out the middle man.

pedigree 6

I buy my straw from the same few tillage farmers every year. I always pay promptly and draw from the field quickly.

This year I'm buying rolled barley to try out. So we'll see how that goes.

I depend on them and them on me.
Always been that way.

GrasstoMilk

freedominacup wrote: »

This is the trick. You're right about the second bit in one way dawg but I'm not so sure about the first. A semi-state outfit creating a market (competition) for foreign suppliers, more like creating a margin.

On the second though. Irish dairy farmers need to wake up to the tillage farmers plight. Pj Phelan in the findo covers a lot of it today. We as dairy farmers need to start selling on provenance and we need to go GM free. We can't do that without a strong arable sector to supply us with starch and protein. No point in waiting for processors to pick up this ball. The market is there we need to develop the standard and drive the change and be prepared to pay our tillage farmers for their input as we will be demanding to be paid for our product. A bit less production for the sake of it and a lot more delivering a product that is hard to replicate elsewhere.

I completely disagree re: GM

Do you really think a drop in Irish production of grain is going to do anything for world supply?
It's Australia, russia, france and America that are the big players and the ones causing it. Ireland uses most of the grain it produces.

GM offers the solution IMO. A lot less costs to growing crops and a lot more yield. It's the future.

blackdog1

I strongly disagree. In fact I think we are seriously affecting our market. We have a huge population of coeliacs( people who have trouble digesting wheat)in this country and the world. It's getting bigger every year and for some reason the older wheat varieties like spelt don't seem to upset them half as much. Were going for bigger yields but these wheats are not as digestible as the older variety. It's going to be a huge problem down the road.

alps

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I completely disagree re: GM

Do you really think a drop in Irish production of grain is going to do anything for world supply?
It's Australia, russia, france and America that are the big players and the ones causing it. Ireland uses most of the grain it produces.

GM offers the solution IMO. A lot less costs to growing crops and a lot more yield. It's the future.

Differentiation from the rest....that's what we should be at rather than the continuation with this nonsense of embryoling ourselves in the commodity slave game.

We have the ultimate chance of differentiation...

Continual, long term differentiation because as the rest go GM there is no back....