Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

19-09-2016 03:58PM

Anyone got any possible reason for the story after all musgraves did not need to put out a story about having to go to Poland to get staff ? something that is no true anyway, so they are possible not origins of the story which means that the independent have framed some information they have come across to fit an agenda? and in this case it has backfired on them.

Should the independent be forced to retracted the story?

listermint · 19-09-2016 04:01PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Anyone got any possible reason for the story after all musgraves did not need to put out a story about having to go to Poland to get staff ? something that is no true anyway, so they are possible not origins of the story which mean that the independent have frame some information they have come across to fit an agenda and in this case it has backfired on them.

Should the independent be forced to retracted the story?

eh you missed the article in the Kildare newspaper where Musgraves defended why they went to Poland.

There is nothing framed here it appears the jobs were not advertised in this country from all the facts so far.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:03PM

Single pay on Sundays in Musgraves. Any overtime is single pay also. 1 Sunday off every 6 weeks. This is blatant exploitation. After tax I take home 370 per week for 40 hours hard work in freezing conditions. Peanuts. No wonder so many people choose the dole over jobs like this.

19-09-2016 04:04PM

listermint wrote: »

eh you missed the article in the Kildare newspaper where Musgraves defended why they went to Poland.

There is nothing framed here it appears the jobs were not advertised in this country from all the facts so far.

That is what I am saying the, if the jobs were not advertised in Ireland then the story is incorrect I am sure musgrves do not want bad publicity so how it is being framed is down to the independent?

homerjay2005 · 19-09-2016 04:07PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Single pay on Sundays in Musgraves. Any overtime is single pay also. 1 Sunday off every 6 weeks. This is blatant exploitation. After tax I take home 370 per week for 40 hours hard work in freezing conditions. Peanuts. No wonder so many people choose the dole over jobs like this.

Nobody should be choosing to be on the dole, they should go out to work and earn a living and not sponge off the tax payer.

19-09-2016 04:08PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Single pay on Sundays in Musgraves. Any overtime is single pay also. 1 Sunday off every 6 weeks. This is blatant exploitation. After tax I take home 370 per week for 40 hours hard work in freezing conditions. Peanuts. No wonder so many people choose the dole over jobs like this.

Out of curiosity what is the % split between eastern European and Irish worker.

Anongeneric · 19-09-2016 04:09PM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is what I am saying the, if the jobs were not advertised in Ireland then the story is incorrect I am sure musgrves do not want bad publicity so how it is being framed is down to the independent?

In the article in the independent a spokesperson for Musgraves is quoted as saying these jobs are being advertised in Ireland.

An article in a local Kildare paper says they were not.

The Independent is a rag but they have not done anything wrong here other than not verifying what was said by Musgrave's spokesperson

19-09-2016 04:10PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Nobody should be choosing to be on the dole, they should go out to work and earn a living and not sponge off the tax payer.

The person responding did not say anything about sponging off the tax payer they were making the point that in their opinion they are being exploited.

Anongeneric · 19-09-2016 04:11PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Out of curiosity what is the % split between eastern European and Irish worker.

I work in manufacturing nothing to do with Musgrave's.

The split of floor staff is about 80% eastern European 20% Irish.
Of the eastern European s its probably 75% polish vs 25% others

19-09-2016 04:15PM

Anongeneric wrote: »

In the article in the independent a spokesperson for Musgraves is quoted as saying these jobs are being advertised in Ireland.

An article in a local Kildare paper says they were not.

The Independent is a rag but they have not done anything wrong here other than not verifying what was said by Musgrave's spokesperson

Nobody can seem to locate where the jobs were advertised in Ireland.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:15PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Out of curiosity what is the % split between eastern European and Irish worker.

Id say 70/30 in favour of foreign nationals. Its back breaking work. Your timed on a headset when you pick up a pallet. 45 crates of oranges weighing 20kgs you would get about 14 minutes to pick them. Putting them into about 30 different cages into locations where you would walk up to 300 metres. So if your not hitting your performance target you will be pulled up on it by management.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:17PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Nobody should be choosing to be on the dole, they should go out to work and earn a living and not sponge off the tax payer.

Pay a decent wage and you would not have such a high number on the dole.

BattleCorp · 19-09-2016 04:18PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Pay a decent wage and you would not have such a high number on the dole.

If people had to work for their dole you would not have such a high number on the dole.

19-09-2016 04:19PM

Anongeneric wrote: »

I work in manufacturing nothing to do with Musgrave's.

The split of floor staff is about 80% eastern European 20% Irish.
Of the eastern European s its probably 75% polish vs 25% others

So do the Irish workers perceive themselves to be exploited while the eastern Europeans are grateful to have a job? which is what is being implied in this thread.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:20PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

If people had to work for their dole you would not have such a high number on the dole.

If people didnt want to accumulate so much money, wealth would be distributed evenly and we could all live comfortable lives.

BattleCorp · 19-09-2016 04:20PM

mariaalice wrote: »

So do the Irish workers perceive themselves to be exploited while the eastern Europeans are grateful to have a job? which is what is being implied in this thread.

If I had to guess, I would say that Eastern European workers are preferred as they are probably easier to be pushed around and to work without question.

BattleCorp · 19-09-2016 04:21PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

If people didnt want to accumulate so much money, wealth would be distributed evenly and we could all live comfortable lives.

Yeah, but we live in the real world.

19-09-2016 04:21PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Id say 70/30 in favour of foreign nationals. Its back breaking work. Your timed on a headset when you pick up a pallet. 45 crates of oranges weighing 20kgs you would get about 14 minutes to pick them. Putting them into about 30 different cages into locations where you would walk up to 300 metres. So if your not hitting your performance target you will be pulled up on it by management.

Would that not be more hard work as opposed to backbreaking work.

jimgoose · 19-09-2016 04:21PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Id say 70/30 in favour of foreign nationals. Its back breaking work. Your timed on a headset when you pick up a pallet. 45 crates of oranges weighing 20kgs you would get about 14 minutes to pick them. Putting them into about 30 different cages into locations where you would walk up to 300 metres. So if your not hitting your performance target you will be pulled up on it by management.

So, just under 19 seconds per 20kg unit, that's ten stone of stuff shifted per minute per person, or about three-and-a-half ton per hour. Sounds fairly intense to me, day in day out.

Interestingly, a good 19th century navvy would apparently shift about two-and-a-half tons of muck per hour.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:21PM

There off to Croatia this week too and holding a recruitment day. They have took on about 30 Croats the last few months.

Anongeneric · 19-09-2016 04:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-store-looking-for-polish-workers-after-they-struggle-to-fill-warehouse-posts-35052346.html

Now i'm not saying some of the lower tiers have their brains scrambled or the welfare state may be looking after certain sections of the unemployed a bit too much but I am saying some of the lower tiers have their brains scrambled and the welfare state is looking after certain sections a bit too much...

People can pick and choose it seems. Something wrong when work rewards less than reliance otherwise the above would not be the case.

Unless the Irish have grown a collective delusion that certain work is simply below them. Better to have no job at all.

Kermit you started this thread stating that

"Some of THE LOWER TIERS have their brains scrambled and the welfare state is lookingbafter certain sections a bit much"

As the post as progressed we've as retained that these positions have notrnotr been advertised in this country.
Are you suggesting that social welfare recipients should turn up at jobs fairs in eastern Europe to secure employment or would you like to retract your fairly horrible assertions about the "LOWER TIERS" of society?

There is a discussion needed about life long social welfare recipients but you picked a piss poor example of it here

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:23PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Would that not be more hard work as opposed to backbreaking work.

I would call it back breaking. Especially in the time given. You cant safely use your manual handling training and hit the targets. Its impossible.

jimgoose · 19-09-2016 04:27PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I would call it back breaking. Especially in the time given. You cant safely use your manual handling training and hit the targets. Its impossible.

"I am not a manual labourer and please God I never shall be one, but there
are some kinds of manual work that I could do if I had to. At a pitch I
could be a tolerable road-sweeper or an inefficient gardener or even a
tenth-rate farm hand. But by no conceivable amount of effort or training
could I become a coal-miner, the work would kill me in a few weeks."

-- George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier

Anongeneric · 19-09-2016 04:31PM

mariaalice wrote: »

So do the Irish workers perceive themselves to be exploited while the eastern Europeans are grateful to have a job? which is what is being implied in this thread.

I've posted earlier in the thread how I asked for a written contract,( it was rwuestwd by my college, I had no paticul interest in having as long as I got paid)
I was told they weren't in the practise of handing out contracts wily nily.

I had a query about my wages,(there had been an error in my wages),
It was met with " How much isnit on the labor, you were on the labor before I gave you a job here, honestly somenpeiple in here, you'd think they'd be grateful of a Jon, where would they be without agency x"

There have been numerous other incidences of things like this I'm not going to list.

The difference is Irish employees speak up about them, the eastern Europeans do not.
Google the Power Distance Index tonaee why.

I'm working here while I complete a master's, I've worked in far more senior positions andnive been an employer both in this country and abroad.
This is by no means a job for life for me but it us astonishing the treatment that employees and then bottom of the ladder receive and are then told to be grateful

19-09-2016 04:32PM

Anongeneric wrote: »

Kermit you started this thread stating that

"Some of THE LOWER TIERS have their brains scrambled and the welfare state is lookingbafter certain sections a bit much"

As the post as progressed we've as retained that these positions have notrnotr been advertised in this country.
Are you suggesting that social welfare recipients should turn up at jobs fairs in eastern Europe to secure employment or would you like to retract your fairly horrible assertions about the "LOWER TIERS" of society?

There is a discussion needed about life long social welfare recipients but you picked a piss poor example of it here

There are a couple of posters who are obsessed with social welfare ect it seems to be a mixture of fascination fear and nastiness, in most of them and for others the venting seem to be some sort of self indulgent coping mechanism. The same names crop up in all these type of threads.

melekalikimaka · 19-09-2016 04:53PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Yeah, but we live in the real world.

real world? where you get paid on sit on your ass all day until you get offered a nice 30k + job thats worth your while to leave the house for

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 04:58PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

The problem is people wont work for crap money any more and are expecting to get 30K a year right away ....

How dare they want a decent wage.

19-09-2016 05:00PM

I once knew a polish truck driver who worked for a well known couriers. He was being paid 600 per week for over 12 hours a day 5 days a week and sometimes Saturday. He asked the transport manager for a raise (he was there 1 year) as the Irish lads doing the same job were raking in between 1200-1500 per week doing the same job!! (this was in the boom)

he was fired that week! FACT!

That's why it's in Poland and not Ireland, the Irish worker would ask the employer to do the right thing, cos it's the right thing to do!!!

Amalgam · 19-09-2016 05:13PM

..it is intense work. Sea unit quotas, seasonal, office f*ck ups meaning stock has to be rushed through. There is a preference for certain countries. I don't think it has to do with local out of work people at all.

Lithuanians are recruited a lot, as well as Poles. There's also a lot of 'Agency' workers, in limbo, more or less.. this has been the case since the late 1990s.

Some of the hauliers have a history of mysteriously, 'going out of business' if workers unionise, only to be set up again.

There is an unseen price to be payed for cheap goods.

It's not a glamorous job, the warehouses can be freezing in winter, emptying sea container after sea container, under time constraints can be trying.

Depends very much on the haulier company, some will let you get on with it, some are very much, divide and conquer, minimal equipment, Misery Inc.

I don't shop at one or two, 'Irish' retailers, knowing what goes on at the haulier side of the supply chain, before it is presented, all prim and proper, on the store shelf.

EDIT: Just to clarify, agency staff prior to the 1990s would have been Irish, but it is only recently (last 20 years) that you will have 100% European agency staff, from one country almost exclusively, to keep things ticking along socially, racially etc.. along with workers, living, 'on site'.

19-09-2016 05:19PM

It more likely that the turn over of staff is the issue not some eastern European verses Irish thing, Maybe be for what ever reason the eastern Europeans are more likely to stay around.

Like most thing in life there is a hierarchy even in low and unskilled employment and as soon as a unskilled manufacturing job in a heavily regulated multinational such as medical devices or bio pharmacy comes up they are off and the Irish are more likely to have the family contacts to get those type of jobs.

My first husband worked in the maintenance department of an American multinational he is retired now, use to say to see where the well paying jobs in manufacturing are drive around an industrial estate and look for which car parks are full of new cars.

Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

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