is Mourinho a busted flush?

Duck Soup · 19-09-2016 03:40PM #1

Startling statistic from the Irish Times today: "Mourinho has now suffered 16 defeats in 34 games, more than Mark Hughes at Stoke City".

Is this end of of TSO's specialness? In a nutshell, have the other coaches now got his number and surpassed him?

Or has he just lost his touch, along with losing the Real Madrid and Chelsea dressing rooms?

gimmick · 19-09-2016 03:41PM

Are you suggesting that Jose and Man Utd are done?

Duck Soup · 19-09-2016 03:44PM

gimmick wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Jose and Man Utd are done?

Personal opinion? United have too much financial clout to fall away too far, but Guardiola - and Klopp - look like they're making teams of real quality and distinction for the future.

God knows what's happened to Jose's man management abilities, though.

Gringo180 · 19-09-2016 03:44PM

"Specialist in Failure"

Nalz · 19-09-2016 03:44PM

gimmick wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Jose and Man Utd are done?

its Wayne Rooneys fault.

xabi · 19-09-2016 03:50PM

I think its too early for a "are Jose and UTD done thread" - next week should be fine to start it.

DeanAustin · 19-09-2016 03:50PM

No.

GavRedKing · 19-09-2016 03:52PM

Hard to tell, its been a seriously bad 12 months for Jose though and after losing his dream job he doesnt look happy but I wouldnt be writing him off just yet.

machiavellianme · 19-09-2016 03:54PM

Good question. I have no idea if he is or isn't. Agree with the others. Utd have too much financial clout to fall away but that doesn't stop my wishful thinking.

Rackstar · 19-09-2016 03:56PM

Looks to me like Mourniho has stagnated. The game is evolving but he hasn't evolved with it in the last few years.

Panthro · 19-09-2016 03:58PM

Reckon he needs to go away from football for a year or two and stay completely out of the spot light. His heads not in it.
Said the same about a year ago.

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 04:03PM

Rackstar wrote: »

Looks to me like Mourniho has stagnated. The game is evolving but he hasn't evolved with it in the last few years.

Let me get this straight.

Jose wins the league, then the only other manager to win it since Claudio Ranieri who plays a basic 4-4-2 and now Jose is stagnated?

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Bizarre.

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 04:04PM

Panthro wrote: »

Said the same about a year ago.

When he was the current premiership championship manager

wut.

GavRedKing · 19-09-2016 04:05PM

Panthro wrote: »

Reckon he needs to go away from football for a year or two and stay completely out of the spot light. His heads not in it.
Said the same about a year ago.

It was something we mentioned in the Chelsea thread before he was sacked. Take few months off and come back in the summer ready to go.

He paid for his job not just for the results but by his actions and words towards the players too. It was a shocking defence of a title and it all started in pre-season, the writing was well on the wall before we lost to Palace in August last year.

I still think he'll come good but if he fails at Utd, he doesnt have many other options available to him.

Giggsy11 · 19-09-2016 04:11PM

Season ago he won the league at canter and a year later he is busted flush.

There is kneejerk and there is this thread.

Panthro · 19-09-2016 04:11PM

crkball6 wrote: »

When he was the current premiership championship manager

wut.

When he'd managed 11 points or so in the first 10 games.

lawred2 · 19-09-2016 04:13PM

He's out of date

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 04:13PM

Panthro wrote: »

When he'd managed 11 points or so in the first 10 games.

So you thought the current manager of the premiership champions should take a break from football?

Panthro · 19-09-2016 04:14PM

crkball6 wrote: »

So you thought the current manager of the premiership champions should take a break from football?

I said something wasn't right, and suggested his head wasn't in the game.

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 04:14PM

He's gone from the first united manager to win first 4 competitive matches.

To he should be fired and out the door.

comedy show.

Panthro · 19-09-2016 04:20PM

crkball6 wrote: »

He's gone from the first united manager to win first 4 competitive matches.

To he should be fired and out the door.

comedy show.

Nobody's saying that.
Rival fans will want him there as long as possible based on the last three games!

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 04:23PM

Panthro wrote: »

Nobody's saying that.
Rival fans will want him there as long as possible based on the last three games!

Your right. Similar to united fans wanting Conte to stay at Chelsea after one of the worst tactical performances from any manager since Rafa at Liverpool.

Is Conte a busted flush?

Discuss. :pac:

GavRedKing · 19-09-2016 04:23PM

Panthro wrote: »

I said something wasn't right, and suggested his head wasn't in the game.

TBF, the Chelsea board done their best to make it one of the worse transfer windows in as long as I can remember.

Chasing Stones, gets Papy Djilobodji and Michael Hector.

That would make anyone go mad.

Harry Palmr · 19-09-2016 04:25PM

Have the rules changed, I thought this type of thread got a ban.

Panthro · 19-09-2016 04:27PM

crkball6 wrote: »

Is Conte a busted flush?

Discuss. :pac:

Start a thread.
Won't be half as fascinating as this one though!

weisses · 19-09-2016 04:28PM

Nalz wrote: »

its Wayne Rooneys fault.

No he blamed Shaw this time

:rolleyes:

brevity · 19-09-2016 04:29PM

I think he needed a break to be honest. Last season with Chelsea drained him - you could say the Madrid job also has an effect on him.

That being said, he will probably do well with Utd but he's definitely not the man he once was.

grumpymunster · 19-09-2016 04:39PM

Panthro wrote: »

I said something wasn't right, and suggested his head wasn't in the game.

Absolutely his father was very ill at the time and quite clearly his head was not right, taking a break would have been the thing to do

GavRedKing · 19-09-2016 04:47PM

grumpymunster wrote: »

Absolutely his father was very ill at the time and quite clearly his head was not right, taking a break would have been the thing to do

He'll be grand, he'll win things with Utd and leave in 5-7 years and move on to international management and retire in the next 12 years.

Francie Barrett · 19-09-2016 04:56PM

Ridiculously early to be calling time on Mourinho. At the same time though, he's at a dangerous phase in his United career. A few bad results after Watford and he'll have the press on his back and players questioning him. I think once a manager loses the backing of players, then he's finished. LVG saw it at United, Mourinho himself saw it at Chelsea. For a manager like Mourinho, who is so dependent on building a certain type of team mentality, he is vulnerable to his authority being questioned.

Beastermc · 19-09-2016 05:04PM

Giggsy11 wrote:

Season ago he won the league at canter and a year later he is busted flush.

Giggsy11 wrote:

There is kneejerk and there is this thread.

But the differences in that season and this couldn't be more different, imo. That season you had a Chelsea team who had a fresh new striker in Costa, hot from 2/3 great seasons for atletico. Hazard playing out of his skin, Fabreags too was an inspired signing, matic alsowas superb. All, except for Hazard, were new and refreshing to the team, and were full of quality.

And who were the opposition? A United team under Van gaal who were never going to threaten, arsenal being arsenal, Liverpool under Rodgers scarred from Stevie's slip, a spurs team who were just starting out under potchetino and a soft City team under Pellegrini.

City were the only team capable of mounting a challenge against them, so what does he do? Sets out to not get beat. City were the only team looking to win in both those games (city fan here so could be biased!) But that's how I remember it. Add the fact that city were probably their own worst enemy that year and you get a situation which is not too unlike how Leicester won it last year, because it seemed no one else wanted to!

Even if you compare how the other teams played that Chelsea title winning year, they're were hardly no pressing teams in the league. So you had teams who would back off and try and contain Chelsea, who would be solid at the back with a midfield who would dominate and they would eventually get a goal through Hazard and Costa and that was the game won.

This year you have Liverpool, City and Spurs who are very adept at the pressing game. Mourinho has already been beaten by one of these and he will struggle in the remaining 5 games against these teams. Id be surprised if he gets 1 win in those 5 games. Like someone said about winning the first 4 games in a row, yes against Bournemouth and Southampton, United will win, as Chelsea did against nearly everybody that year. And sure they will improve and finish up in the tip 4 no doubt, but I can't see a serious title challenge coming from Old Trafford. Which is why you'd have to say Jose has stagnated as that's not good enough after spending the bones of 200m on players that are supposed to be ready made world class players bought for the here and now. I could well end up eating my words, but I'd bet that i won't.
( Sorry for the lengthy rant, just bored in work!)

is Mourinho a busted flush?

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