Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

kidneyfan · 18-09-2016 11:54PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Why so? I got in, kept the head down, worked my way up a bit and have a handy enough number now. Like I said, if it wasn't for me I'd have used it as a stepping stone for something better.

Terrible to hear people content with keeping the head down and getting the handy number. Whatever happened to achievement?

A_Sober_Paddy · 19-09-2016 12:02AM

10€ a hour is kinda low, but if your an assistant manager in some places I've interviewed for you'd only be on €10.15(including my own company, but they are paying me more than some managers, but keep that to yourself sssssh)

The Celtic tiger pay is still around in certain company's. Easons and penny's have part time staff earning stupidly high money, because they gave them raises during the boom. When it comes to retail it seems to be a race to the bottom, low pay, low prices maximise profits

Copper_pipe · 19-09-2016 12:40AM

Work in a factory and warehouse staff are on 9.15 an hour and 35% shift premium.

bodhrandude · 19-09-2016 12:48AM

Phoebas wrote: »

I dunno, but I figure if they hired two people to operate a stop-go system, then they'd together somehow figure out a common two word language that they could both understand.

But, apparently that's too fcuking complicated for some.

4 crashes!!! Really!

So you want him to learn the Polish language too.

Anongeneric · 19-09-2016 01:00AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Work in a factory and warehouse staff are on 9.15 an hour and 35% shift premium.

Hi Cooper pipe,
Not sure what you're point is here.
I work in a factory where ops are on 9:15 plus shift of 20%.
All agency workers.

Request for a written contract,( it was requested by my college) was met with
"Agency X aren't in the habit of just handing out contracts wily nily"
Query in relation to an error in wages was met with
"How much is it on the labor, you were on the labor before I gave you a job here. Honestly the people in here...you'd think they'd be happy with a job , where would they be without agency X"
There had been an error in my wages.

On one occasion line manager told team we could finish up a half hour early.
This half hour was deducted from our wages and when queried was met with," ah well you decided to take the chance".

Considerably more than 50% of hires are Polish and just accept this, Irish staff complain and have their jobs threatened

On the flip side...
A factory not a million miles away hires people on a start on s full time contact at 35,000 plus 33% and hire as much Irish staff as they can.

Different management philosophies, and it's fairly clear what's Musgraves' is.
Bear in mind they've been asked to provide evidence if where in Ireland these jobs were advertised and have been unable to answer.

Junkyard Tom · 19-09-2016 01:09AM

In a nihilistic way I'd like to see so-called 'capitalists' get everything they want just so I could toast marshmallows on the embers of the system they so exalt.

PremiumCola · 19-09-2016 01:15AM

tobsey wrote: »

€10 an hour is not worth working for. A fair days pay for a fair days work is all people want.

Hell, I'd work for a 10er an hour.

BattleCorp · 19-09-2016 08:01AM

Mister Vain wrote: »

I thought most warehouses had forklifts for lifting heavy stuff. Why are you breaking your back? I used to work inMusgrave and the money was better there than the warehouse I'm currently in.

Forklifts are used for full pallets so pretty much only loading and unloading and placing pallets into the racking. They aren't used for picking. That has to be done by hand.

And picking isn't an easy job because you are pushed all day, every day. Pick rate targets will be set and they will be difficult to reach. And even harder to reach if you are knackered after doing overtime.

So yes, it is back breaking work.

Phoebas · 19-09-2016 08:14AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Forklifts are used for full pallets so pretty much only loading and unloading and placing pallets into the racking. They aren't used for picking. That has to be done by hand.

And picking isn't an easy job because you are pushed all day, every day. Pick rate targets will be set and they will be difficult to reach. And even harder to reach if you are knackered after doing overtime.

So yes, it is back breaking work.

Its one of those jobs that are on the way out anyway.

http://www.geek.com/news/amazon-triples-warehouse-picker-productivity-with-an-army-of-robots-1610088/

BattleCorp · 19-09-2016 08:26AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Its one of those jobs that are on the way out anyway.

http://www.geek.com/news/amazon-triples-warehouse-picker-productivity-with-an-army-of-robots-1610088/

That's a long way off what would be needed for a warehouse like Musgraves. You would need robots capable of carrying around pallets weighing up to 1.5 tonnes, and you'd need hundreds of them.

Plus you'd still need the picker to lift the boxes off the robot and stack them on a pallet. You'd save on walking but the manual handling element would still be the same.

Phoebas · 19-09-2016 08:33AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's a long way off what would be needed for a warehouse like Musgraves. You would need robots capable of carrying around pallets weighing up to 1.5 tonnes, and you'd need hundreds of them.

Plus you'd still need the picker to lift the boxes off the robot and stack them on a pallet. You'd save on walking but the manual handling element would still be the same.

I'd say Amazon's operations would put Musgraves in the ha' penny place.

You reminded me of this research. People think the robots are coming to take jobs, but they don't think it'll be their jobs.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/03/10/americans-think-the-robots-are-coming-for-many-jobs-but-not-their-jobs/

19-09-2016 09:24AM

Phoebas wrote: »

I'd say Amazon's operations would put Musgraves in the ha' penny place.

You reminded me of this research. People think the robots are coming to take jobs, but they don't think it'll be their jobs.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/03/10/americans-think-the-robots-are-coming-for-many-jobs-but-not-their-jobs/

You really get a hard on when you hear low paid workers who are pushed to their limits both mentally and physically may lose their jobs.

I'd give you two days in one of these places and then you'd be crouching in a corner, rocking back and forth crying for your mammy.

melekalikimaka · 19-09-2016 09:30AM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

It's not beneath me. My job is equally ****. I'm basing it on a purely statistical point of view. You're working for €30 a day. For that you wouldnt even pay your car insurance/tax to get you in and out of work. You're literally working for nothing, and why, just so you can feel satisfied that you're working? Eh no thanks.

This is an example of what a longer term unemployed persons mentality is. And this is why it should be reduced after 6 months and again after a year.

That would soon change his tune

TrustedApple · 19-09-2016 09:35AM

Well to give people ideas of lowly skilled jobs my dad in his business are trying to fill.

Kitchen Porters he cant get them as people wont work for the money and it is fairly ok money now for washing dishes. 10.15 a hour and he cant get any kind of person to work it as they wont more then that.

Like i give you a idea my 1st job last year in IT was paying wait for it 10.20 a hour and that is with 4 years of college ......

The problem is people wont work for crap money any more and are expecting to get 30K a year right away ....

suicide_circus · 19-09-2016 09:38AM

The bastards

Phoebas · 19-09-2016 09:38AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

You really get a hard on when you hear low paid workers who are pushed to their limits both mentally and physically may lose their jobs.

I'd give you two days in one of these places and then you'd be crouching in a corner, rocking back and forth crying for your mammy.

I see it as more of an opportunity than a threat.

We should be moving away from these jobs that would have people crouching in corners and crying for their mammy. That sounds like ideal robot work.

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 10:57AM

The Wolverine wrote: »

I'm sorry your so frustrated with your life you have to vent your anger on line against others, I hope things get better for you

Nail on head.

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 11:02AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

This is an example of what a longer term unemployed persons mentality is. And this is why it should be reduced after 6 months and again after a year.

That would soon change his tune

How much of this sort of work did you have to do in your life? I'm just looking to prove a hypothesis of mine.

melekalikimaka · 19-09-2016 11:09AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How much of this sort of work did you have to do in your life? I'm just looking to prove a hypothesis of mine.

I have worked for less, I have worked for more. I was raised never to be a burden on the state if I was capable of work thats all.

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 11:16AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I have worked for less, I have worked for more. I was raised never to be a burden on the state if I was capable of work thats all.

I assume the tax payer (including low earners) paid for your government subsidised degree.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 19-09-2016 11:17AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I assume the tax payer (including low earners) paid for your government subsidised degree.

Which I'm sure they've contributed back to, as did his/her parents unless they were unemployed which I doubt consider the poster actually has a work ethic and not a sense of entitlement.

melekalikimaka · 19-09-2016 11:24AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I assume the tax payer (including low earners) paid for your government subsidised degree.

Kinda pulling at straws here.

If you are capable of working you should not be on social welfare, turning down jobs because not worth your while is a sign of a very entitled and lazy person.

Maybe stick to one topic you cant win at at time there eddy? :-)

kidneyfan · 19-09-2016 02:18PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Well to give people ideas of lowly skilled jobs my dad in his business are trying to fill.

Kitchen Porters he cant get them as people wont work for the money and it is fairly ok money now for washing dishes. 10.15 a hour and he cant get any kind of person to work it as they wont more then that.

Like i give you a idea my 1st job last year in IT was paying wait for it 10.20 a hour and that is with 4 years of college ......

The problem is people wont work for crap money any more and are expecting to get 30K a year right away ....

Maybe your dad should pay people more then? What does he pay himself. I bet it is a damn sight more than a tenner an hour!

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 02:22PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Which I'm sure they've contributed back to, as did his/her parents unless they were unemployed which I doubt consider the poster actually has a work ethic and not a sense of entitlement.

Considering we had close to full unemployment during the boom I don't buy the hypothesis that unemployment arose from people suddenly loosing work ethic.

A lot of the posters who seem to be critical of people not wanting to work in a warehouse have previously talked about their right to free fees, their right to private education and put simply I would find it extremely hard to believe that A) people with those views would work in a warehouse if they're unemployed and

those people were given every support to make sure they would be shielded from warehouse jobs and would never find themselves working, long-term in such a career.

One poster on here has previously talked about his mother still washing his clothes in his thirties.

All in all I'm very sceptical of certain people preaching to people in low income jobs about how happy they should be to have it and they should take anything.

TrustedApple · 19-09-2016 02:28PM

kidneyfan wrote: »

Maybe your dad should pay people more then? What does he pay himself. I bet it is a damn sight more than a tenner an hour!

Kitchen Porters at 10.15 a hour is good money for a job you need no skill for what so ever. This also includes something to eat and tea and coffee. What more do. You won't him to pay?. As with PRSI it works out near 13 euros a hour for a small business that's very costly.

Like what do you think a far wage is for that role?. As I think 10.15 is very fair.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 19-09-2016 02:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Considering we had close to full unemployment during the boom I don't buy the hypothesis that unemployment arose from people suddenly loosing work ethic.

A lot of the posters who seem to be critical of people not wanting to work in a warehouse have previously talked about their right to free fees, their right to private education and put simply I would find it extremely hard to believe that A) people with those views would work in a warehouse if they're unemployed and those people were given every support to make sure they would be shielded from warehouse jobs and would never find themselves working, long-term in such a career.

One poster on here has previously talked about his mother still washing his clothes in his thirties.

All in all I'm very sceptical of certain people preaching to people in low income jobs about how happy they should be to have it and they should take anything.

I'm in my late 20s now, and know many people around my age, give or take 3 years each side, who have NEVER worked. And two in particular who won't get work as they don't want to lose their rent allowance and medical card.

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 02:33PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm in my late 20s now, and know many people around my age, give or take 3 years each side, who have NEVER worked. And two in particular who won't get work as they don't want to lose their rent allowance and medical card.

And I condemn those 100% but I do not condemn anyone for not settling on a certain job. I've seen my mother run her self into the ground to put food on the table for us working in low pay job and low thanks jobs.

I don't believe there should be a "thankful for absolutely anything you can get" attitude some of the more privileged wish upon the lower paid.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 19-09-2016 02:36PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

And I condemn those 100% but I do not condemn anyone for not settling on a certain job. I've seen my mother run her self into the ground to put food on the table for us working in low pay job and low thanks jobs.

I don't believe there should be a "thankful for absolutely anything you can get" attitude some of the more privileged wish upon the lower paid.

I don't condemn someone who would choose a low paying job over the dole. People are quick to look down their noses at those in "degrading" jobs but there's nothing degrading about paying your own way in life instead of happily existing sucking off the public teet.

melekalikimaka · 19-09-2016 02:37PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't believe there should be a "thankful for absolutely anything you can get" attitude some of the more privileged wish upon the lower paid.

I think you misunderstand what unemployment benefit is for.

Its not free cash til someone finds a job they feel they are paid enough for.

Self entitlement is what is destroying this countries economy

steddyeddy · 19-09-2016 02:42PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I don't condemn someone who would choose a low paying job over the dole. People are quick to look down their noses at those in "degrading" jobs but there's nothing degrading about paying your own way in life instead of happily existing sucking off the public teet.

You're talking to someone who worked two jobs to put themselves through university. Self entitlement isn't confined to the dole office. Plenty of people happy to live off mammy and daddy and condemn those who live off the state.

Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

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