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Keepgrowing wrote: »

That's the one

Im sure no copyright infringements will happen now.
http://www.albutt.com/yardscraper.html

Dawggone wrote: »

Anyone use young, unproven but genomic tested Bulls?

I used a few a couple of years ago. They are now calving down. One of them would lie down in the parlor rather than be milked...I'd never seen that before so persisted for a week. Happy meal.
Another calved Thur and is at the same craic. Happy meal tomorrow morning. Same fecking sire!!
Both heifers out of good producing, docile cows.
An ounce of breeding...

But they are "proven" dawg. Genomically provern. This is still just using extremely complicated algorithms for a best guess result. This opinion is from someone who was in on the ground floor of quantitative genetics long before the processing power was freely available to do the maths quickly.

Mooooo wrote: »

How many bulls did you use dawg. In order to protect against the duds the advice is to use a panel of 5 minimum,

Which was the exact same advice they always gave when using test bulls. In fact they used to insist on it if you were participating in the testing programmes, partly to offset risks and partly to get the bulls with less impressive bloodlines tested.

Mooooo wrote: »

Would you be off the opinion to leave them as test bull packs so? It does annoy me them charging 16 to 20 quid for genomic bulls when test bulls with near on the exact same reliability come in packs for 6.50.... th I've used a lot of genomic bulls and I have yet to come across and animal I could say is better by far than what went before her. But look there have been way too many variables here to judge the whole lot that way

Personally I'd be of the opinion to leave them where they are but I won't use a bull without a linear (type) proof.

freedominacup wrote: »

Personally I'd be of the opinion to leave them where they are but I won't use a bull without a linear (type) proof.

I have to laugh when u can buy the likes of dragon, spock,legend, acres eight for 8-10 euro but lads reckon spending 20 euro plus on genomic sires with the magical 350 plus ebi is a silver bullet, printing press for ai companies more like

freedominacup wrote: »

Spock? Still?

Loads of water

Mooooo wrote: »

How many bulls did you use dawg. In order to protect against the duds the advice is to use a panel of 5 minimum,

You can't protect against the duds......except to use proven...

The cost of duds is not properly factored into the equation. Suppose we use 5 test bull and we end up with 5daughters...1from each bull.

2 daughters end up 50€ /lact more profitable
is average
1 is slightly less than average
And 1 is a complete dud...

The sums on year 1 will go something like this
+50
+50
+0
-20
-1300

In the physical application of actual farming, you cannot offset the actual financial hit of a dud....not to mind having 5 or 6 of them...

Dawggone wrote: »

I think that I'd prefer daughter proven rather an algo proof from now on.

I used 24 different Bulls...maybe I'll get lucky.

You any eldweiss daughters milking dawg, used a good bit of him on the less milky ladies this spring

freedominacup wrote: »

I worked a Keenan 100 on a 4600 ford years ago. They can be geared for smaller tractors when ordering new.

Heard of a 165 that was on one for years, reducer gear on it. 75hp ran our 100 with ease for 10 years, we'd 75hp on a 350 for a few months this winter .... Puts the tractor under a bit too much pressure though

Timmaay wrote: »

Stan uses a fair few of them and gets on well enough I think? The only particular bad unproven bull I've used here the last few years is KSK, utterly crap milker and small cows so won't even make much as culls. And I got 9 more of them coming into the parlour next spring ugh.

ye very disappointed with ksk heifers, I used sexed Ksk too :cool: have some ABO and PBM heifers that are smashers though

jaymla627 wrote: »

You any eldweiss daughters milking dawg, used a good bit of him on the less milky ladies this spring

Is that the correct name for that bull?? Searching for him on icbf with your spelling.... Not being recognised...

Never again using genomic Bulls here..... Except for pkx.... I think genomics is a waste of time and ebi isn't much better..... Hard to rely on ebi when icbf are constantly messing with it....

awaywithyou wrote: »

Is that the correct name for that bull?? Searching for him on icbf with your spelling.... Not being recognised...

Never again using genomic Bulls here..... Except for pkx.... I think genomics is a waste of time and ebi isn't much better..... Hard to rely on ebi when icbf are constantly messing with it....

S2195 is the code, wouldn't be using a bull like him across all your cows only use him here on the jersey crosses and smaller cows to put a bit more power into their heifers hopefully....
Progressive have a great selection of daughter proven bulls now their able to get abs bulls, the likes of laurhill classic, pello and pesky are top quality daughter proven bulls, all oman sons though if you want outcrosses eldweiss is a option, kodak red, delta gravity....
Very old school here in that if I come across a bull that I like and he's producing the goods I keep using him every year, don't see the point in chasing the next best thing when the bulls im using are producing the goods

Timmaay wrote: »

Stan uses a fair few of them and gets on well enough I think? The only particular bad unproven bull I've used here the last few years is KSK, utterly crap milker and small cows so won't even make much as culls. And I got 9 more of them coming into the parlour next spring ugh.

Was disappointed with ksk as heifers- but they are maturing well as second Calvers

jaymla627 wrote: »

S2195 is the code, wouldn't be using a bull like him across all your cows only use him here on the jersey crosses and smaller cows to put a bit more power into their heifers hopefully....
Progressive have a great selection of daughter proven bulls now their able to get abs bulls, the likes of laurhill classic, pello and pesky are top quality daughter proven bulls, all oman sons though if you want outcrosses eldweiss is a option, kodak red, delta gravity....
Very old school here in that if I come across a bull that I like and he's producing the goods I keep using him every year, don't see the point in chasing the next best thing when the bulls im using are producing the goods

Not chasing the next big thing ,am chasing more solids ,more production ,more fertilityandcsokuds cruically profit from fty in parlour and grazed grass .genotyping and genomic Bulls delievering exactly that