Poll: would you vote to "re-peel da ate"

steddyeddy · 17-09-2016 12:51AM #1

Ireland is a country which historically has not treated mothers or pregnant women with the best intentions. A close relative of mine was "sent sown the county" when she was a child (the laundries) and while she never talked about what happened it effected her all her life. I feel strongly we have done enough to moralise over other people's actions. People don't take abortions lightly, they don't get them for bad reasons and a lot of people get them because they feel they have no other choice.

Some of the more religious people say that they care for the life of the child that could have been. I have a feeling that a lot of these people don't do a lot for the children that have been born to mothers or families that couldn't;t raise them.

For this reason I would vote to repeal the eight. What way would you vote?

Noveight · 17-09-2016 12:55AM

No

Absolutely repeal it. Who are we to take the moral high ground and control a woman's choices as regards to her own body? This country took a positive step in removing itself from the grasp of religion with the same sex marriage vote, time to take another one.

Get it sorted, Ireland.

osarusan · 17-09-2016 12:59AM

Public poll might not be the best idea if you want to get an accurate tally, even for AH.

Jesus. · 17-09-2016 01:02AM

I've only ever heard women interested in this topic. Don't think blokes give a sh1t tbh (generally speaking).

17-09-2016 01:05AM

No

I know a lot of men who care about the 8th amendment (on both sides) but a lot are afraid to say so because they're not sure they're entitled to an opinion.

steddyeddy · 17-09-2016 01:08AM

No

I'm a bloke and like everyone I'm entitled to freedom of expression about a legislation that is about personal freedoms.

The Backwards Man · 17-09-2016 01:12AM

I wouldn't vote at all if the result was public.

steddyeddy · 17-09-2016 01:13AM

No

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I wouldn't vote at all if the result was public.

I made it public in this case because my views were public.

mansize · 17-09-2016 01:15AM

No

Surely people can stand over their choice?

Any people have a right to choose and have that choice respected by all sides

steddyeddy · 17-09-2016 01:15AM

No

osarusan wrote: »

Public poll might not be the best idea if you want to get an accurate tally, even for AH.

Maybe not O but people passionate about their answer shouldn't have a problem with making their views known. I would love to know how many of each camp there is.

hairyslug · 17-09-2016 01:17AM

No

I think the main deciding factor will be what it will be replaced with.
There will be hardliners on both sides that will say yes or no no matter what but I think there are more in the middle whose vote will depend on the likes of duration/FFA etc

vicwatson · 17-09-2016 01:19AM

I would vote

ZeitgeistGlee · 17-09-2016 01:21AM

No

It should be repealed simply on the basis it's not something that belongs in the constitution to begin with. Any opinions on how we should legislate for the aftermath are another discussion.

Junkyard Tom · 17-09-2016 01:23AM

Ah sure, you know yourself now. At the end of the day you have to let people be people. When it comes to matters of the conscience you have to let what will be will be. We're all human beings at the end of the day.

The Backwards Man · 17-09-2016 01:24AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Maybe not O but people passionate about their answer shouldn't have a problem with making their views known. I would love to know how many of each camp there is.

If you only want passionate voters the turnout will be very low.

MintyMagnum · 17-09-2016 01:29AM

My brother & I were adopted, as were 2 of our cousins. My best friend in primary school & my best friend in secondary were both adopted. 4 of my work colleagues were adopted and one of my exes.

So I have mixed feelings about 'abortion on demand' considering myself and ten other people I know closely would probably not be alive today if it was available here when we were conceived.

KKkitty · 17-09-2016 01:29AM

No

My mother was one of the countless women who were sent away because she became pregnant with a child outside of marriage. She had my oldest brother in a home and never saw him again. He could still be alive I don't know but even though she would never have had an abortion the fundamental right to any woman who wants one should not be taken away from her. Who are we as a nation to decide whether a woman in a crisis pregnancy situation should be forced to have an unwanted child because she can't make the trip over the water or wherever to have that procedure. It's not fair to expect any female to go on a plane or boat to end a pregnancy when it should happen here. There are many reasons to end a pregnancy but it should be a service readily available in the woman's own country wherever that may be.

vicwatson · 17-09-2016 01:38AM

MintyMagnum wrote: »

My brother & I were adopted, as were 2 of our cousins. My best friend in primary school & my best friend in secondary were both adopted. 4 of my work colleagues were adopted and one of my exes.

So I have mixed feelings about 'abortion on demand' considering myself and ten other people I know closely would probably not be alive today if it was available here when we were conceived.

Nothing to do with the OP's question

MintyMagnum · 17-09-2016 01:41AM

vicwatson wrote: »

Nothing to do with the OP's question

OP asked would I repeal 8th, I answered, based on my own circumstances & those of others I know, that I have mixed feelings on the issue.

Hope that has clarified things for you.

vicwatson · 17-09-2016 01:47AM

MintyMagnum wrote: »

OP asked would I repeal 8th, I answered, based on my own circumstances & those of others I know, that I have mixed feelings on the issue.

Hope that has clarified things for you.

Thanks for that, I took it that the op was wondering if we would vote, period

Referenda historically have poor turn outs

steddyeddy · 17-09-2016 01:23PM

No

86% of people would vote yes.

ethical · 17-09-2016 01:29PM

It should be an individuals private choice whether they wish to kill someone defenceless or not............

Samaris · 17-09-2016 01:37PM

No

Yes, I would vote to repeal the Eighth, I don't believe it has a place in the Constitution.

I don't know that I'd want the vote to happen right now though. While I think the same-sex marriage referendum had a good result (I know a large chunk of the country wouldn't agree, so imo, it did!), it was a bitter and divisive campaign, and I know there would be at -least- the same level of hate and viciousness and indeed downright lies going around for months. "It would be abortion on demand!" A picture of an adorable, big-eyed baby with the caption "Why did you murder me, mammy?" Appeals to the slippery slope fallacy where newborns could be smothered because the mother cba looking after it.

It would be a nasty campaign, and I think Ireland is still too divided in the same polarising way that the rest of the country is to want to do it right now and add more wounds to the national psyche.

Having said that, I don't know if that's a good enough reason to put more women in the meantime through the same ordeal. I suspect it probably isn't, and no freedom worth having would be won without a bitter and divisive campaign no matter when we have it.

As for repealing the Eight, I'm pretty okay with Amendments 1-7.

Teyla Emmagan · 17-09-2016 02:45PM

It's the eighth not the eight.

Repeal the fcuk out of it.

eviltwin · 17-09-2016 02:49PM

No

The 8th is about more than just abortion.

It's affecting the care given to every single pregnant woman in Ireland and her options during pregnancy and labour.

It needs to be consigned to history.

suicide_circus · 17-09-2016 02:58PM

I saw a girl wearing a REPEAL sweater and an OBEY hat.

The end is nigh.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-09-2016 02:59PM

No

MintyMagnum wrote: »

My brother & I were adopted, as were 2 of our cousins. My best friend in primary school & my best friend in secondary were both adopted. 4 of my work colleagues were adopted and one of my exes.

So I have mixed feelings about 'abortion on demand' considering myself and ten other people I know closely would probably not be alive today if it was available here when we were conceived.

I remember before homosexuality was legal here my grandfather saying 'I don't mind if they make it legal, once they don't make it compulsory'..

Well same for the 8th.. Voting to give women rights over their own choices/bodies won't make abortion compulsory.

YES from me.

Outlaw Pete · 17-09-2016 03:02PM

I will.. but if the beginnings of this campaign are anything to go by then I can see a lot of people voting 'No' in reaction to how it is being framed. Already as part of the campaign we've seen remarks like "It's a Woman's Body", "Stop Letting 'Old Men' Decide What Women Should Do With Their Bodies", "A stethoscope is a crucifix on your belly", "The laws of the church have no place on your flesh", "A veterinarian will abort a calf if a cow is falling ill, how is it that livestock is worth more to this land than us?" etc etc.

That kind of nonsense is cringingly sanctimonious and extremely disingenuous, not least because we already have the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act which means abortions are legal in cases where there is a risk to the life of the mother (including suicide) and so to suggest that Ireland cares more for pregnant cattle than it does for pregnant women, well, it's just really yet more martyrdom quite frankly. Today I even seen one woman childishly tweeting Enda Kenny asking him if it was okay if she used Haemorrhoid Cream.

People are already weary enough after the revelations in recent times that politicians are more than happy to mislead the electorate with regards to where new abortion legislation is likely to lead and so couple that with repealing the 8th being framed in such a dishonest and exclusionary fashion, and it really could just ultimately turn a lot of 'Yes' voters into 'No' voters. Which is a shame as new clearer abortion laws are undoubtedly needed, particularly with regard to certain serious fetal abnormalities.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 17-09-2016 03:04PM

Would love to see some extra legislation attached to give men rights over their choices as well, a so called male abortion/opt out phase,were they can legally state they don't want the child and from then aren't financially or any other way obligated.Then its up to the mother what she wants to do. In an equal society this is what we need, why should the mother be able to choose if a man will be obligated because she had the child(he has no choice) or if she will have an abortion (he still has no choice).

Sweden has already started discussing this politically
https://www.rt.com/news/334720-legal-male-abortion-sweden/

Mint Sauce · 17-09-2016 03:10PM

No

Deleted User wrote: »

I know a lot of men who care about the 8th amendment (on both sides) but a lot are afraid to say so because they're not sure they're entitled to an opinion.

I am a bloke and I am certainly entittled to an opinion, could be my wife, girl friend, daughter, sister etc. Although even if you present this arguement to some females, sorry girls, they will still argue, its their body, nothing to do with the fella.

I certainly do think it should be repealed, whilst I do not support abortion for the sake of it, it shoukd be there if there is a risk to the life of the unborn or mother. Religion should have no place in it.

jaja321 · 17-09-2016 03:15PM

No

Yes. The constitution is no place to deal with this issue. It's a shame Mary Robinson was not listened to when she outlined the damage the 8th amendment would do to women across this country. She was totally right.

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