2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 08:18PM

Amerika wrote: »

Almost nobody here reads the Guardian. Other than the WSJ, none of those can be considered major media sources. But I'm sure even the major media sources gave it a couple of lines worth of reporting... buried on page 6 or something.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-watch-live-donald-trump-gives-economic-1473952782-htmlstory.html

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/33109328/economists-say-trumps-economic-plan-is-an-impossible-blend

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/09/15/experts-and-critics-tear-apart-trump-s-recycled-tax-and-economic-policy-reforms/213118

God you make up more stuff than Trump himself and you wonder why people might think Republicans are full of .....

Amerika · 16-09-2016 08:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

That is already covered ground - and it's false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/

Oops. Au contraire mon ami.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/

Amerika · 16-09-2016 08:26PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-watch-live-donald-trump-gives-economic-1473952782-htmlstory.html

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/33109328/economists-say-trumps-economic-plan-is-an-impossible-blend

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/09/15/experts-and-critics-tear-apart-trump-s-recycled-tax-and-economic-policy-reforms/213118

God you make up more stuff than Trump himself and you wonder why people might think Republicans are full of .....

Media matters is a joke. NBC-2 is some regional TV station out of NYC. I clicked on that LA Times link you provided and it sent me to the article “Campaign 2016 updates: Donald Trump refuses -- again -- to answer the 'birther' question”

Overheal · 16-09-2016 08:28PM

Amerika wrote: »

Oops. Au contraire mon ami.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/

She comes out with that hours after Trumps conference? Don't be so gullible until you at least find out how she pays the rent this month..

Edit: never mind this isn't new info. Still false claim.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 08:28PM

Amerika wrote: »

Oops. Au contraire mon ami.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/

So you can't understand simple forms or get the difference between a staffer who was fired and Clinton herself.

Overheal · 16-09-2016 08:32PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

So you can't understand simple forms or get the difference between a staffer who was fired and Clinton herself.

Even the Breitbart article makes it clear it was a volunteer, not a staffer. It's stupid easy to become a campaign volunteer.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 08:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

Even the Breitbart article makes it clear it was a volunteer, not a staffer. It's stupid easy to become a campaign volunteer.

The said person is even named.

Overheal · 16-09-2016 08:38PM

But basically Trump back pedaled and tried to blame birtherism on Hillary. He will blame any problem he would face as POTUS on anyone but himself. Which makes him no different than any politician. Why are people voting for him again?

RobertKK · 16-09-2016 09:00PM

Overheal wrote: »

But basically Trump back pedaled and tried to blame birtherism on Hillary. He will blame any problem he would face as POTUS on anyone but himself. Which makes him no different than any politician. Why are people voting for him again?

Because people find Hillary even more detestable.

It is an election of who you detest the most and then holding one's nose.

Overheal · 16-09-2016 09:06PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Because people find Hillary even more detestable.

It is an election of who you detest the most and then holding one's nose.

Out more accurately: "The iPhone has no headphone jack; the Galaxy explodes"

oscarBravo · 16-09-2016 09:11PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Because people find Hillary even more detestable.

It is an election of who you detest the most and then holding one's nose.

Fair enough, but it's hard to see how that justifies criticising one candidate for something that the other candidate exemplifies more so. For example: you've criticised the Clinton Foundation, but are silent about the fact that the Trump Foundation spent tens of thousands of dollars buying a portrait of Donald Trump for Donald Trump. Why is that?

I don't think Clinton will be a great president, but I'm fairly certain that Trump would be an absolutely catastrophic one. Most of the support for him as a candidate seems to be on the basis that he might not be as big a farce as a president as he was as a candidate, which strikes me as some dangerously wishful thinking.

Amerika · 16-09-2016 09:32PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Fair enough, but it's hard to see how that justifies criticising one candidate for something that the other candidate exemplifies more so. For example: you've criticised the Clinton Foundation, but are silent about the fact that the Trump Foundation spent tens of thousands of dollars buying a portrait of Donald Trump for Donald Trump. Why is that?

I don't think Clinton will be a great president, but I'm fairly certain that Trump would be an absolutely catastrophic one. Most of the support for him as a candidate seems to be on the basis that he might not be as big a farce as a president as he was as a candidate, which strikes me as some dangerously wishful thinking.

And I think it’s interesting that when I complained about Obama’s overreach of power just about everyone here jumped on me about the President’s limitation of powers. That the role of Obama was extremely limited in scope. I disagreed and said Obama exceeded his authority and created laws which were the job of Congress.

Now everyone fears Trump. Why? If the argument was a President’s authority was so limited, why the concern over Trump? Actually, I believe it is because deep down everyone here knew I was right. And Obama’s overreach of powers has set a nasty prescient that the next President will continue, especially if he belongs to the same party that controls Congress.

And if that is the case, is it apropos for me at this time to say I told you so?

As for the listed powers of the President, this is what the US Congress states…

Command the military, including Army, Navy, and National Guard.
Grant clemency, pardons, and other reprieve for offenses against the United States.
Handle all foreign affairs, including negotiating treaties.
Appoint ambassadors, justices, public ministers, councils, and executive officers.
Convene, or dismiss, congress at the President’s leisure.
Oversee the execution of the laws.
Sign bills, return them to congress with suggested changes, or veto them.
Recommend legislature and measures to Congress.
Has Executive Power as needed in order to fulfill the above duties.

B0jangles · 16-09-2016 09:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Because people find Hillary even more detestable.

It is an election of who you detest the most and then holding one's nose.

Trump is a joke candidate and is treating the election as a joke. Clinton is a career politician who has been exhaustively investigated for 25 years and convited of nothing

If people look on these two candidates and think Trump is a better option than Clinton, then those people are Idiots.

Overheal · 16-09-2016 09:34PM

Two words:

Nuclear Codes.

KingBrian2 · 16-09-2016 09:38PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Trump is a joke candidate and is treating the election as a joke. Clinton is a career politician who has been exhaustively investigated for 25 years and convited of nothing

If people look on these two candidates and think Trump is a better option than Clinton, then those people are Idiots.

Not quite true. Nobody was taken Trump serious even though at the beginning many of his views were very popular. By contrast Hillary has been beset with controversy and rivals who were clambering to become the next President. Trump defo believes in limited gvt. Hillary am not sure what she stands for. She says she is against war. Not convinced about that.

Brian? · 16-09-2016 09:39PM

When is the first debate?

B_Wayne · 16-09-2016 09:39PM

Overheal wrote: »

Two words:

Nuclear Codes.

I would also say that he'd sink the US international reputation and liable to create numerous serious diplomatic incident.

Overheal · 16-09-2016 09:43PM

His company is millions in debt with China. Serious, grave conflict of interest with a major opposing world power.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 09:43PM

Amerika wrote: »

And I think it’s interesting that when I complained about Obama’s overreach of power just about everyone here jumped on me about the President’s limitation of powers. That the role of Obama was extremely limited in scope. I disagreed and said Obama exceeded his authority and created laws which were the job of Congress.

Now everyone fears Trump. Why? If the argument was a President’s authority was so limited, why the concern over Trump? Actually, I believe it is because deep down everyone here knew I was right. And Obama’s overreach of powers has set a nasty prescient that the next President will continue, especially if he belongs to the same party that controls Congress.

And if that is the case, is it apropos for me at this time to say I told you so?

As for the listed powers of the President, this is what the US Congress states…
Command the military, including Army, Navy, and National Guard.

Grant clemency, pardons, and other reprieve for offenses against the United States.

Handle all foreign affairs, including negotiating treaties.

Appoint ambassadors, justices, public ministers, councils, and executive officers.

Convene, or dismiss, congress at the President’s leisure.

Oversee the execution of the laws.

Sign bills, return them to congress with suggested changes, or veto them.

Recommend legislature and measures to Congress.

Has Executive Power as needed in order to fulfill the above duties.

And you as an American know many of the above list requires the consent of Congress perfect example is the appointment of Supreme Court Justices. In a blatant partisan move the Republicans are refusing to vet The Presidents nomination. And you know the same with ambassadors.

What do you mean "Convene, or dismiss, congress at the President’s leisure."

You also know the power of Veto is limited, either you know or like Trump you never read the Constitution. I am surprised as a college educated American you don't seem to get the idea of checks and balances within the federal system.

B0jangles · 16-09-2016 09:55PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Not quite true. Nobody was taken Trump serious even though at the beginning many of his views were very popular. By contrast Hillary has been beset with controversy and rivals who were clambering to become the next President. Trump defo believes in limited gvt. Hillary am not sure what she stands for. She says she is against war. Not convinced about that.

Stop listening to your gut.

Listen with your brain.

Amerika · 16-09-2016 09:58PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

And you as an American know many of the above list requires the consent of Congress perfect example is the appointment of Supreme Court Justices. In a blatant partisan move the Republicans are refusing to vet The Presidents nomination.

Of course some requires consent of Congress. As example Treaties are negotiated by the President, but it is Congress that has to make them law. But try telling that to Obama.

And who says Republicans are refusing to vet the SCOTUS nomination. I'd say they're just dragging their feet.

What do you mean "Convene, or dismiss, congress at the President’s leisure."

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/1989/07/31/op-olc-v013-p0245.pdf

You also know the power of Veto is limited, either you know or like Trump you never read the Constitution.

Sure I know and so does he. A veto can be overridden by 2/3 votes of both the House and Senate. But I'm not going to describe everything I note to the minutia level.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 10:02PM

Amerika wrote: »

Of course some requires consent of Congress. As example Treaties are negotiated by the President, but it is Congress that has to make them law. But try telling that to Obama.

And who says Republicans are refusing to vet the SCOTUS nomination. I'd say they're just dragging their feet.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/1989/07/31/op-olc-v013-p0245.pdf

Sure I know and so does he. A veto can be overridden by 2/3 votes of both the House and Senate. But I'm not going to describe everything I note to the minutia level.

It's not going into minute detail it's called being honest.

Suryavarman · 16-09-2016 10:08PM

Brian? wrote: »

When is the first debate?

Wednesday the 26th

Suryavarman · 16-09-2016 10:10PM

Below is a list of outrageous statements and outright lies Trump has said today alone:

It's hard not to feel sorry for people that think this man is fit to be POTUS.

Amerika · 16-09-2016 10:15PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

Below is a list of outrageous statements and outright lies Trump has said today alone:

It's hard not to feel sorry for people that think this man is fit to be POTUS.

I'll see your list, and raise you this list of Hillary's lies...
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

K-9 · 16-09-2016 10:16PM

Amerika wrote: »

And I think it’s interesting that when I complained about Obama’s overreach of power just about everyone here jumped on me about the President’s limitation of powers. That the role of Obama was extremely limited in scope. I disagreed and said Obama exceeded his authority and created laws which were the job of Congress.

Now everyone fears Trump. Why? If the argument was a President’s authority was so limited, why the concern over Trump? Actually, I believe it is because deep down everyone here knew I was right. And Obama’s overreach of powers has set a nasty prescient that the next President will continue, especially if he belongs to the same party that controls Congress.

And if that is the case, is it apropos for me at this time to say I told you so?

As for the listed powers of the President, this is what the US Congress states…
Command the military, including Army, Navy, and National Guard.

Grant clemency, pardons, and other reprieve for offenses against the United States.

Handle all foreign affairs, including negotiating treaties.

Appoint ambassadors, justices, public ministers, councils, and executive officers.

Convene, or dismiss, congress at the President’s leisure.

Oversee the execution of the laws.

Sign bills, return them to congress with suggested changes, or veto them.

Recommend legislature and measures to Congress.

Has Executive Power as needed in order to fulfill the above duties.

A Republican President plus a Republican controlled Congress and Senate is more powerful than...

It's basic common sense.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 10:21PM

Amerika wrote: »

I'll see your list, and raise you this list of Hillary's lies...
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

All her false statements as against all of Trumps in one day only! You seem to like ignoring the important bit of a posters statements.

Suryavarman · 16-09-2016 10:24PM

Amerika wrote: »

I'll see your list, and raise you this list of Hillary's lies...
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

A dreadful response, even by your low standards. Trump has broken records for telling lies during this campaign. Incredibly, Trump told more lies today than Clinton has all year according to your link. Trump is such a pathetic candidate. It must be getting embarrassing having to make excuses for him all the time is it?

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 10:25PM

Amerika wrote: »

I'll see your list, and raise you this list of Hillary's lies...
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

Look at the pants on fire for both.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-09-2016 10:28PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

A dreadful response, even by your low standards. Trump has broken records for telling lies during this campaign. Incredibly, Trump told more lies today than Clinton has all year according to your link. Trump is such a pathetic candidate. It must be getting embarrassing having to make excuses for him all the time is it?

For the first time in history an electorate will know the person they elect is a total liar. When Trump decides to do anything in his term he can just say what did you expect in a liar. He is immune from any decision.

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