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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #1172
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    Not sure when; my candidate was already rigged out of the race

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/officials-investigating-why-126000-voters-were-purged-from-ny-rolls/
    The person I voted for in the GOP primary is also gone. But after viewing his disrespectful display at the National Convention, I’m now glad he didn’t win.

    I've read that the Democratic Party’s email leaks showed how that state data swapping program enabled the party to commit automated voter fraud on a massive scale, but I didn't really understand it.


  • #1173
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh you mean Cruz for all his other faults, had a conscience? ;)


  • #1174
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Watching the Trump speech and so far he's using it as an opportunity to boast about and advertise for his new hotel.

    So presidential.


  • #1175
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Watching the Trump speech and so far he's using it as an opportunity to boast about and advertise for his new hotel.

    So presidential.

    The best hotel in the world!


  • #1176
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    Asked a family supporter about Trump and the string of lies. The response was essentially that "oh it's all for show. Really he's [self imagined image of a normal human]"

    Mind boggling really. Serious doublethink between being condition to despise Hillary and only having one really distasteful alternative 'cos third parties are a vote for Hillary etc.

    I usually ask people, who are willing to talk about politics, what both candidates hope to accomplish. Shockingly, I’ve found most know little about current politics. But they do seem to have the basics for Trump, in that he wants to build a wall and stop illegal immigration, get better trade deals and bring jobs back to America. But nobody seems to be able to list what Hillary wants to accomplish. The best I get is she hates Trump.


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  • #1177
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    The best hotel in the world!
    I've been in Trump Tower in NYC... and it was. If they new one is better, then that's amazing. :)


  • #1178
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Amerika wrote: »
    I usually ask people, who are willing to talk about politics, what both candidates hope to accomplish. Shockingly, I’ve found most know little about current politics. But they do seem to have the basics for Trump, in that he wants to build a wall and stop illegal immigration, get better trade deals and bring jobs back to America. But nobody seems to be able to list what Hillary wants to accomplish. The best I get is she hates Trump.

    The people you know can't fill in a simple form or look up policies https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/


  • #1179
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Amerika wrote: »
    I usually ask people, who are willing to talk about politics, what both candidates hope to accomplish. Shockingly, I’ve found most know little about current politics. But they do seem to have the basics for Trump, in that he wants to build a wall and stop illegal immigration, get better trade deals and bring jobs back to America. But nobody seems to be able to list what Hillary wants to accomplish. The best I get is she hates Trump.
    All of which are baseless proposals. The economics of a wall, trade deals and deportation are all well documented. Trump won't stop the TPP or renegotiate anything and he owes millions of dollars to the Chinese in addition to other business investments around the globe. You trust him to shoot himself in the foot?

    Clintons policies are pretty well known. Furthering the ACA and cracking down on profiteering; gun reforms incl loophole closure; va reform etc and for the most part her platform doesn't vary wildly from the Obama administration.

    But again, you're spouting off conjecture.


  • #1180
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    The funny the the NRA won't like they can't bring a gun into his new hotel in DC as it's a federal building.


  • #1181
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Amerika wrote: »
    I've been in Trump Tower in NYC... and it was. If they new one is better, then that's amazing. :)
    Was Trump Tower as amazing as Trump University, which was headquartered in Trump Tower? Given that Trump has zero experience in governance, US diplomacy, and CIC, he claims that his business experience gives him the background he needs to be president. If so, what does Trump University say about Trump's business background?


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  • #1182
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'm sure his campaign HQ will migrate so he can charge himself more $$


  • #1183
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    I was in Trump Tower in NYC - the whole lobby looks like its made from slabs of frozen mince, its pretty nasty.

    nUlsLZI.jpg


  • #1184
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Overheal wrote: »
    I'm sure his campaign HQ will migrate so he can charge himself more $$

    It's fine he will just move the White House in to DC hotel and charge the Federal Gov rent.


  • #1185
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    It's fine he will just move the White House in to DC hotel and charge the Federal Gov rent.

    Oh man I never even seen thought about this: people flipped their collective $hit when Obama flies the plane. Can you imagine the bill Trump will rack up in office of elected? Fughettaboutit


  • #1186
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    B0jangles wrote: »
    I was in Trump Tower in NYC - the whole lobby looks like its made from slabs of frozen mince, its pretty nasty.
    Was this the same Trump Tower that hired and used about 150 illegal Polish construction workers to help build it? Polish illegals that were paid below minimum wage? And now the same Donald Trump presidential candidate wants to deport millions of illegal workers, pretending that he did not profit from using them to build Trump Tower?


  • #1187
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    All of which are baseless proposals. The economics of a wall, trade deals and deportation are all well documented. Trump won't stop the TPP or renegotiate anything and he owes millions of dollars to the Chinese in addition to other business investments around the globe. You trust him to shoot himself in the foot?

    Clintons policies are pretty well known. Furthering the ACA and cracking down on profiteering; gun reforms incl loophole closure; va reform etc and for the most part her platform doesn't vary wildly from the Obama administration.

    But again, you're spouting off conjecture.

    Come on... you know none of that really matters. Yeah, it’s great sport for people like us to talk about things like policies, agendas, traditions, and what can and can’t be done by a POTUS. I think you know as well as me that a large number of the electorate don’t know much of the two candidates more than the sound bites they see on social media. And when they go into the voting booth they will vote with their hearts rather than their heads. Democrats will vote overwhelmingly for Clinton and Republicans for Trump. The fight is for the Independents and those on the fence. I believe Trump might win now because people will remember the few things they've heard from Trump and that he favorably addresses many of their top concerns... and they know little about what Hillary wants to do, and that she is corrupt and a liar.


  • #1188
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    So he repeats the lie about who started the whole birther crap and finally announces that he believes Pres. Obama was born in America, then runs off.

    What a clown.

    What an embarassment.


  • #1189
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Was Trump Tower as amazing as Trump University...
    More so.


  • #1190
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Was this the same Trump Tower that hired and used about 150 illegal Polish construction workers to help build it? Polish illegals that were paid below minimum wage? And now the same Donald Trump presidential candidate wants to deport millions of illegal workers, pretending that he did not profit from using them to build Trump Tower?

    Yes, that's the place!

    And no, I did not stay there, just popped in to see if it was a gaudy as I'd heard.

    (It's actually gaudier)


  • #1191
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    B0jangles wrote: »
    So he repeats the lie about who started the whole birther crap and finally announces that he believes Pres. Obama was born in America, then runs off.

    What a clown.

    What an embarassment.

    So he is admitting that he got the birther thing wrong for years. But but trump does not get things wrong he perfect so perfect and knows everything.


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  • #1192
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh man I never even seen thought about this: people flipped their collective $hit when Obama flies the plane. Can you imagine the bill Trump will rack up in office of elected? Fughettaboutit

    He will retire the 2 747 and pay his own company to provide Air Force Trump.


  • #1193
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    He's blatantly just swapping one massively obvious lie for another - why is he being let get away with this?


  • #1194
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Trump has said the Clinton campaign in 2008 started the birther issue with Obama and that he has now finished it by saying Obama was born in the United States, period.

    Apparently it was Clinton supporters who started it in 2008, not the Clinton campaign.


  • #1195
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    B0jangles wrote: »
    He's blatantly just swapping one massively obvious lie for another - why is he being let get away with this?

    Because if you point out any errors you are picking on Trump and his supporters.


  • #1196
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Trump has said the Clinton campaign in 2008 started the birther issue with Obama and that he has now finished it by saying Obama was born in the United States, period.

    Apparently it was Clinton supporters who started it in 2008, not the Clinton campaign.

    So he rolled back on one lie and is trying to gain traction with a new one - he specifically blamed Hillary Clinton for starting the Birther nonsense.

    He also spent more time advertizing his new hotel than he spent acknowledging that a huge conspiracy theory he's spent the last 8 years pushing was false.


  • #1197
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Because if you point out any errors you are picking on Trump and his supporters.

    It is absolutely mindboggling to see just how much leeway Trump is given with regards to...pretty much everything at this point. He's blatantly using the campaign as a business opportunity and apparently his supporters are OK with that


  • #1198
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    B0jangles wrote: »
    It is absolutely mindboggling to see just how much leeway Trump is given with regards to...pretty much everything at this point.

    He had a stage full of military wait from him to promote his own hotel. I am wishing for the first time the US elects him. If the generals are that stupid no wonder they can't win a war.


  • #1199
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Trump has said the Clinton campaign in 2008 started the birther issue with Obama and that he has now finished it by saying Obama was born in the United States, period.

    Apparently it was Clinton supporters who started it in 2008, not the Clinton campaign.
    Donald Trump: "I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility…then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."

    "I have people," Donald Trump claimed, that were "studying" Obama's birth.


  • #1200
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Donald Trump: "I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility…then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."

    "I have people," Donald Trump claimed, that were "studying" Obama's birth.

    But but Trump is not a liar that Clinton, o I am so confused now. You mean Trump is either stupid or a liar.


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  • #1201
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Check out the reports from the NYTimes and NYPost about this event:

    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/776811245974515712/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    NYT completely leaves out the bit where Trump lied about Clinton starting the birther crap - why?

    nm, NYT story updated with missing info added.

    Hahaha, the press pool is refusing to do a free ad for Trump's hotel

    https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/776811426082091008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


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