Man falls to his death in Stephens Green Shopping Centre

Jesus. · 14-09-2016 10:10PM

^^
Was she trying to jump in front of a truck?

Penny Tration · 14-09-2016 10:11PM

listermint wrote: »

Once again in ireland we sweep things under the carpet and treat things as accidents and sad events.

The real reason won't be reported on never mind how many eye witnesses there were.

Because we don't talk about that stuff here.

Taboo.....

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.

Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Guy:Incognito · 14-09-2016 10:15PM

Jesus. wrote: »

^^
Was she trying to jump in front of a truck?

Dont think so. He never mentioned any trucks being around. She landed right in front of him. He was lucky enough that a nurse was in the car behind him and went to see to the woman. Shook him fairly bad as you'd expect.

Turtle_ · 14-09-2016 10:16PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.

Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Indeed, I remember a particularly awful suicide by a teenager near me that was so dramatic there was no avoiding reporting on it. Heard of quite a few teenagers committing suicide afterwards over very trivial things.

listermint · 14-09-2016 10:17PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.

Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

What statistics?

Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 14-09-2016 10:23PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.

Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Is that really the reason. In that if more people see it happening/reported then they themselves are more likely to do it?

If that is the reason it feels strange. A little big brotherish? As in, 'they' know what's best for everyone, this way is better for all of you more so than the actual cold truth or real facts. That doesn't really sit right with me.

I would have thought if it was better reported more resources could be allocated towards fixing it.
Instead of it being reported as a 'terrible incident'. It should be discussed in the context of how a person wasn't given enough help or support. Or how waiting times for treatment are too long. Or emergency care for individuals in crisis is inadequate.

Turtle_ · 14-09-2016 10:23PM

listermint wrote: »

What statistics?

Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

On my phone so difficult to post link, but have an aul Google of "correlation between reporting of suicide and actual suicide" and you'll find plenty of scholarly articles.

listermint · 14-09-2016 10:25PM

Turtle_ wrote: »

On my phone so difficult to post link, but have an aul Google of "correlation between reporting of suicide and actual suicide" and you'll find plenty of scholarly articles.

Would it not also correlate if there was more reporting about assistance therefore more help sought....

Penny Tration · 14-09-2016 10:28PM

listermint wrote: »

What statistics?

The WHO has a 22 page document on it, which mentions that over fifty studies have shown that reporting of suicide leads to imitative suicides. Google "suicide reporting, a guide for media professionals," as i can't link to a PDF.

Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

My assertion? I didn't say that, or anything even close to it. Given I've been honest on boards about my own mental health difficulties in the past, I'd be the absolute last person to say we should do nothing, so don't assume to speak for me.

As I said though, there's no evidence that this is anything other than a horribly tragic accident.

Penny Tration · 14-09-2016 10:30PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Is that really the reason. In that if more people see it happening/reported then they themselves are more likely to do it?

Apparently that's the reason, yeah.

If that is the reason it feels strange. A little big brotherish? As in, 'they' know what's best for everyone, this way is better for all of you more so than the actual cold truth or real facts. That doesn't really sit right with me.

Agreed. I think it's scary for anyone to have that much control.

I would have thought if it was better reported more resources could be allocated towards fixing it.
Instead of it being reported as a 'terrible incident'. It should be discussed in the context of how a person wasn't given enough help or support. Or how waiting times for treatment are too long. Or emergency care for individuals in crisis is inadequate.

100% agreed. Having dealt with the HSE mental health services myself, I've seen first hand how absolutely fcuking terrible the service they provide can frequently be.

listermint · 14-09-2016 10:31PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

The WHO has a 22 page document on it, which mentions that over fifty studies have shown that reporting of suicide leads to imitative suicides. Google "suicide reporting, a guide for media professionals," as i can't link to a PDF.

My assertion? I didn't say that, or anything even close to it. Given I've been honest on boards about my own mental health difficulties in the past, I'd be the absolute last person to say we should do nothing, so don't assume to speak for me.

As I said though, there's no evidence that this is anything other than a horribly tragic accident.

Sorry I don't follow all your posts in Ernest on boards so dont assume posters know your posting history.

So based on your article links what is your solutions.

Say nothing pretend it doesn't happen and tackle this other ways.

Or are we basing our reference research on American reporting.

Turtle_ · 14-09-2016 10:36PM

The point is that there's plenty of evidence of contagion and so the media is hesitant to report on suicides.

But there IS plenty of reporting about general problems with mental health and how to access help.

sunchaser · 14-09-2016 10:36PM

Perhaps a Prayer for his soul and that of his family would be more helpful and comforting to all. May his bed be in Heaven this night.

Penny Tration · 14-09-2016 10:37PM

listermint wrote: »

Sorry I don't follow all your posts in Ernest on boards so dont assume posters know your posting history.

I never said you did, or assumed. I explained why I wouldn't be someone to advocate for people to put up and shut up, and asked you not to speak for me.

So based on your article links what is your solutions.

Say nothing pretend it doesn't happen and tackle this other ways.

Or are we basing our reference research on American reporting.

Well, I'm not a mental health professional, so I can't fix the suicide problem in ireland. More money invested in treatment so that people aren't left in waiting lists for months at a time, a guarantee that people will see the same psychiatrist at each appointment instead of having to tell the same story to a different doctor each time, those might help.

I can't tell you where the stats come from. I didn't make them.

NikoTopps · 14-09-2016 10:41PM

Strangely I was going to go here today but decided to go tomorrow morning instead. Would have been near this time too so I am very glad I didn't.

RIP to this man and condolences to his family nonetheless.

ChikiChiki · 14-09-2016 10:47PM

Suicide is a scourge in this country. Along with this incident today I just heard of a 13 year old who committed suicide this evening. 13 years old ffs!!!!! What the bloody hell is wrong with the place? I've lost my dad and uncle to it aswell.

Sorry to go off this case but it's a f**kin serious problem. The stats are complete bull**** and the real numbers are being under reported.

Please talk people.

jheneaiko · 14-09-2016 10:48PM

Very sad.

Penny Tration · 14-09-2016 10:48PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Suicide is a scourge in this country. Along with this incident today I just heard of a 13 year old who committed suicide this evening. 13 years old ffs!!!!! What the bloody hell is wrong with the place? I've lost my my dad and uncle to it aswell.

Sorry to go off this case but it's a f**kin serious problem.

Please talk people.

Jesus, I'm so sorry about your dad and uncle.

ChikiChiki · 14-09-2016 10:58PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Jesus, I'm so sorry about your dad and uncle.

Thanks for your sympathies Penny. I will never get over it but will drive on through life as best I can.

I know their are many households like ours. My graveyard is full of people lost to it more so in recent years.

My dad was just gone 60 and hit hard by the recession. He felt it was the end of the road for him. In a weird way I can understand, however I cannot understand why a 13 year old as I mentioned in my original post would do it. How can someone not long in the world with a big future ahead feel so low.

It baffles me. Utterly terrible. Sorry to derail guys.

RIP to the poor man.

ShadyAcres · 14-09-2016 10:59PM

Jesus, I was there this afternoon, not long before it happened. Sad

Gadge · 15-09-2016 01:39AM

Jan Laco wrote: »

Thank God nobody else died from him landing on them.

I was there with my wife and the poor man landed about 3 feet from me and about 2 feet away from her, if I remember right. It took a few seconds to register what had happened. In one way I was concerned for the man but also my wife was nearly killed; it was a surreal situation, one I can't really put to words. There was no sound before the impact.

B.A._Baracus · 15-09-2016 01:51AM

Accordingly people were taking pictures on the man's body after it happened.

http://rsvpmagazine.ie/onlookers-took-pictures-of-body-of-man-who-died-in-stephens-green-fall/

Onlookers reportedly attempted to take pictures of a man who fell to his death in St Stephen’s Green shopping centre today.
It is understood that the man fell from the second floor balcony on the Grafton Street end of the store at around 4.45pm today.

A shop assistant who heard the impact revealed the horrifying details of what happened after the incident to the Irish Sun:

“He was badly injured. It was a horrendous thing to see,” she said.
“I saw a security guard go berserk with this girl who was trying to take photos.

“I saw others try and do the same thing. I can’t believe anyone would do that,” she added.

Bloody sick.

learn_more · 15-09-2016 02:09AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Accordingly people were taking pictures on the man's body after it happened.

http://rsvpmagazine.ie/onlookers-took-pictures-of-body-of-man-who-died-in-stephens-green-fall/

Bloody sick.

This is ridiculous point. Video evidence is very important.

Imagine if no-one ever took video evidence at any disastrous scene that they may encounter.

The idea that they recorded it for their own gratification is ridiculous.

Tigger · 15-09-2016 02:15AM

sunchaser wrote: »

Perhaps a Prayer for his soul and that of his family would be more helpful and comforting to all. May his bed be in Heaven this night.

I thought suicide was a mortal sin

chillin117 · 15-09-2016 02:17AM

Look, If somebody decides to go in there and jump off the balcony, Nothing can prevent that. Could have picked the Jervis centre either. Sad but true

B.A._Baracus · 15-09-2016 02:25AM

learn_more wrote: »

This is ridiculous point. Video evidence is very important.

Imagine if no-one ever took video evidence at any disastrous scene that they may encounter.

The idea that they recorded it for their own gratification is ridiculous.

Are you fu*king for real!?
A man laid dying or dead on the ground.... that article said that some people busted out their phones to photograph (perhaps even record?) this man in the state he was in.

for what... video evidence?! The shopping centre has CCTV which will be handed over to the Gardai. Medical examiners will come out and photograph the scene. What is wrong with you?

This aint about "own gratification" - (seriously?) This is the whole 'snap and share' culture too many people have today. God forbid someone could ring the ambulance or check if someone is alright.... nah. where's the fun in that? grab a picture and share via whatsapp, viber etc to your friends so you can be seen as the person who was there when that guy died in the stephens green shopping centre.

Tigger · 15-09-2016 02:26AM

chillin117 wrote: »

Look, If somebody decides to go in there and jump off the balcony, Nothing can prevent that. Could have picked the Jervis centre either. Sad but true

I saw a man on the train crying so I went and smoked a joint in the toilet and when I came out he was standing there
I went back to my seat and heard an almighty bang
This guy ran over to me and said " don't go back there I'm a gaurd" so I said what's happening
He pulled the alarm cord and told he that the man had jumped and the bang was the door slamming shut behind him
The train announced it had hit an animal and has to stop
We really pretend that young men aren't killing themselves in this country
Most single vehicle late night car deaths are suicide but they put them down as road deaths because of the stigma
My mates son hung himself last year
From a tree in a park
At least that is getting the reckognition as a suicide it deserves

The_Kew_Tour · 15-09-2016 06:41AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Suicide is a scourge in this country. Along with this incident today I just heard of a 13 year old who committed suicide this evening. 13 years old ffs!!!!! What the bloody hell is wrong with the place? I've lost my dad and uncle to it aswell.

Sorry to go off this case but it's a f**kin serious problem. The stats are complete bull**** and the real numbers are being understand reported.

Please talk people.

That's heartbreaking

sullivlo · 15-09-2016 06:49AM

Gadge wrote: »

I was there with my wife and the poor man landed about 3 feet from me and about 2 feet away from her, if I remember right. It took a few seconds to register what had happened. In one way I was concerned for the man but also my wife was nearly killed; it was a surreal situation, one I can't really put to words. There was no sound before the impact.

How awful for you. Mind yourself over the coming days and weeks - witnessing a traumatic event like that can impact you in ways you don't always realise. A guy I work with witnessed someone jump from the top of the atrium in the blackrock clinic and was shook for a few weeks.

RIP to the man who died. Tragic.

spurious · 15-09-2016 06:57AM

Tigger wrote:

I saw a man on the train crying so I went and smoked a joint in the toilet

What stopped you saying 'Are you alright mate?'.

Genuinely asking this, as I think women would be all 'you alright hun?' over it, had it been a woman.

Man falls to his death in Stephens Green Shopping Centre

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