Man falls to his death in Stephens Green Shopping Centre

stevek93

Sad and shocking news today, may thoughts be with his family. RIP

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dublin-s-st-stephen-s-green-shopping-centre-closed-after-fatality-1.2791217

sadie1502

God that's horrific. Very sad. RIP

mikeym

jonon9

Wow how did that happen? Must have been an awful sight to witness for the lady and her uncle.

Jesus.

Sounds like he must have been high or drunk or something. No way you could fall over those barriers without climbing up on them or summat.

seamus

Jesus. wrote: »

Sounds like he must have been high or drunk or something. No way you could fall over those barriers without climbing up on them or summat.

To be fair, they're only stomach height from what I recall, you could easily try to sit on one and go over the edge.

It does seem unlikely to be a straightforward accident though.

RIP to the man whatever happened.

Spanish Eyes

Poor man. No matter what the circumstances were, he is dead and his family must be in bits.

Not nice dying like that in front of so many onlookers either, they must be traumatised too.

Awful event.

Jesus.

seamus wrote: »

It does seem unlikely to be a straightforward accident though.

There is the possibility of suicide although its an unlikely modem given that the height isn't so great as to guarantee death.

According to one commenter on the journal who claims to have withnessed it says he jumped

DBB

So, are we going to keep crassly speculating based on a complete lack of information, or are we going to patiently wait until more information is forthcoming, or indeed accept that maybe there won't be any public announcements as to why this poor man ended up tragically losing his life?
RIP to him, and condolences to his family.

SEPT 23 1989

Could be a looking at a jumper

Jesus.

cisk wrote: »

According to one commenter on the journal who claims to have withnessed it says he jumped

Its the most likely scenario

B.A._Baracus

DBB wrote: »

So, are we going to keep crassly speculating based on a complete lack of information, or are we going to patiently wait until more information is forthcoming, or indeed accept that maybe there won't be any public announcements as to why this poor man ended up tragically losing his life?
RIP to him, and condolences to his family.

Wondering how someone died is a natural thing people question. As long as it's in a respectful way it's ok.

Anyways rip. A horrible way to go.

GreatDefector

cisk wrote: »

According to one commenter on the journal who claims to have withnessed it says he jumped

TBH I have a hard time believing anyone on that site. Worst comments section anywhere by miles and sad that deaths and the likes are full of bickering idiots about who's 'red thumbing' their RIP posts

I can't look at it whenever there's a tragic story like this

GoldFour4

I must say I find it quite bizarre that they kept the shopping centre open while his body was lying there. Cordoned off or not that's not something you'd expect the shopping centre to Stay open through

Pinch Flat

A work colleague in our office witnessed it, came back pretty ashen faced. He's sure the guy jumped.

Dr Crayfish

Oh man that's awful. I'm in there nearly every day but today I read a book in a cafe instead. Condolences to his family.

SEPT 23 1989

malistheman wrote: »

I must say I find it quite bizarre that they kept the shopping centre open while his body was lying there. Cordoned off or not that's not something you'd expect the shopping centre to Stay open through

You start rushing people out and panicking them more incidents could happen

Jan Laco

Thank God nobody else died from him landing on them.

DBB

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Wondering how someone died is a natural thing people question. As long as it's in a respectful way it's ok.

Anyways rip. A horrible way to go.

Yep, I don't dispute that, but speculating on a chat forum, particularly about suicide etc is pretty damned insensitive at this early stage.
It's bad enough for his family as it is, without having to field speculation as to his mental wellbeing, fuelled by such rather public speculation.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

This type of insensitive and voyeuristic thread sickens my stomach.

dublinman1990

That is horrific news. Sincere condolences to his family wherever they are tonight.

RIP

Boom_Bap

The speculation ends here.

dublinman1990

UPDATE: It been reported by Independent.ie that witnesses said the man who died in Stephen's Green today was aged in his 50's & wearing a suit.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/investigation-underway-as-man-falls-to-his-death-in-popular-shopping-centre-35049312.html

TerrorFirmer

A lot of media outlets are not covering it for obvious reasons. Horrible for all involved - the man, his family, those who witnessed the incident.

SnakePlissken

Vada Quaint Streetcar wrote: »

This type of insensitive and voyeuristic thread sickens my stomach.

Yet here you are?

shaunn

Thoughts are with his family and friends. R.I.P

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Yet here you are?

To see a news item not insensitive, unfounded speculation from voyeurs.

And then to leave... until you quote me with a smart pass comment.

Jesus.

With respect Samreen you came onto the thread, didn't like it, said so and left. Yet you've arrived back again.

Doesn't make sense.

listermint

Once again in ireland we sweep things under the carpet and treat things as accidents and sad events.

The real reason won't be reported on never mind how many eye witnesses there were.


Because we don't talk about that stuff here.


Taboo.....

Guy:Incognito

Jesus. wrote: »

There is the possibility of suicide although its an unlikely modem given that the height isn't so great as to guarantee death.

You'd be surprised. A guy I know was driving under the bridge over the Naas road that goes from the Luas depot to the monastery road when a woman jumped off the bridge in front of him. It seems way too low for that, but you never know whats going through peoples head.

Jesus.

^^
Was she trying to jump in front of a truck?

Penny Tration

listermint wrote: »

Once again in ireland we sweep things under the carpet and treat things as accidents and sad events.

The real reason won't be reported on never mind how many eye witnesses there were.


Because we don't talk about that stuff here.


Taboo.....

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.


Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Guy:Incognito

Jesus. wrote: »

^^
Was she trying to jump in front of a truck?

Dont think so. He never mentioned any trucks being around. She landed right in front of him. He was lucky enough that a nurse was in the car behind him and went to see to the woman. Shook him fairly bad as you'd expect.

Turtle_

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.


Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Indeed, I remember a particularly awful suicide by a teenager near me that was so dramatic there was no avoiding reporting on it. Heard of quite a few teenagers committing suicide afterwards over very trivial things.

listermint

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.


Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

What statistics?


Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Penny Tration wrote: »

The stuff you're alluding to (and let's remember, it hasn't been said that that's what happened!) isn't widely reported because statistics show a correlation between higher rates when more reporting on that issue is done.


Rest in peace to the poor man. I don't know how his family and friends are going to cope with this.

Is that really the reason. In that if more people see it happening/reported then they themselves are more likely to do it?

If that is the reason it feels strange. A little big brotherish? As in, 'they' know what's best for everyone, this way is better for all of you more so than the actual cold truth or real facts. That doesn't really sit right with me.

I would have thought if it was better reported more resources could be allocated towards fixing it.
Instead of it being reported as a 'terrible incident'. It should be discussed in the context of how a person wasn't given enough help or support. Or how waiting times for treatment are too long. Or emergency care for individuals in crisis is inadequate.

Turtle_

listermint wrote: »

What statistics?


Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

On my phone so difficult to post link, but have an aul Google of "correlation between reporting of suicide and actual suicide" and you'll find plenty of scholarly articles.

listermint

Turtle_ wrote: »

On my phone so difficult to post link, but have an aul Google of "correlation between reporting of suicide and actual suicide" and you'll find plenty of scholarly articles.

Would it not also correlate if there was more reporting about assistance therefore more help sought....

Penny Tration

listermint wrote: »

What statistics?

The WHO has a 22 page document on it, which mentions that over fifty studies have shown that reporting of suicide leads to imitative suicides. Google "suicide reporting, a guide for media professionals," as i can't link to a PDF.

Your assertion is we should pretend this stuff doesn't happen and do nothing about it.......

My assertion? I didn't say that, or anything even close to it. Given I've been honest on boards about my own mental health difficulties in the past, I'd be the absolute last person to say we should do nothing, so don't assume to speak for me.




As I said though, there's no evidence that this is anything other than a horribly tragic accident.

Penny Tration

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Is that really the reason. In that if more people see it happening/reported then they themselves are more likely to do it?

Apparently that's the reason, yeah.

If that is the reason it feels strange. A little big brotherish? As in, 'they' know what's best for everyone, this way is better for all of you more so than the actual cold truth or real facts. That doesn't really sit right with me.

Agreed. I think it's scary for anyone to have that much control.

I would have thought if it was better reported more resources could be allocated towards fixing it.
Instead of it being reported as a 'terrible incident'. It should be discussed in the context of how a person wasn't given enough help or support. Or how waiting times for treatment are too long. Or emergency care for individuals in crisis is inadequate.

100% agreed. Having dealt with the HSE mental health services myself, I've seen first hand how absolutely fcuking terrible the service they provide can frequently be.

listermint

Penny Tration wrote: »

The WHO has a 22 page document on it, which mentions that over fifty studies have shown that reporting of suicide leads to imitative suicides. Google "suicide reporting, a guide for media professionals," as i can't link to a PDF.




My assertion? I didn't say that, or anything even close to it. Given I've been honest on boards about my own mental health difficulties in the past, I'd be the absolute last person to say we should do nothing, so don't assume to speak for me.




As I said though, there's no evidence that this is anything other than a horribly tragic accident.

Sorry I don't follow all your posts in Ernest on boards so dont assume posters know your posting history.

So based on your article links what is your solutions.

Say nothing pretend it doesn't happen and tackle this other ways.

Or are we basing our reference research on American reporting.

Turtle_

The point is that there's plenty of evidence of contagion and so the media is hesitant to report on suicides.

But there IS plenty of reporting about general problems with mental health and how to access help.

sunchaser

Perhaps a Prayer for his soul and that of his family would be more helpful and comforting to all. May his bed be in Heaven this night.

Penny Tration

listermint wrote: »

Sorry I don't follow all your posts in Ernest on boards so dont assume posters know your posting history.

I never said you did, or assumed. I explained why I wouldn't be someone to advocate for people to put up and shut up, and asked you not to speak for me.

So based on your article links what is your solutions.

Say nothing pretend it doesn't happen and tackle this other ways.

Or are we basing our reference research on American reporting.

Well, I'm not a mental health professional, so I can't fix the suicide problem in ireland. More money invested in treatment so that people aren't left in waiting lists for months at a time, a guarantee that people will see the same psychiatrist at each appointment instead of having to tell the same story to a different doctor each time, those might help.


I can't tell you where the stats come from. I didn't make them.

NikoTopps

Strangely I was going to go here today but decided to go tomorrow morning instead. Would have been near this time too so I am very glad I didn't.

RIP to this man and condolences to his family nonetheless.

ChikiChiki

Suicide is a scourge in this country. Along with this incident today I just heard of a 13 year old who committed suicide this evening. 13 years old ffs!!!!! What the bloody hell is wrong with the place? I've lost my dad and uncle to it aswell.

Sorry to go off this case but it's a f**kin serious problem. The stats are complete bull**** and the real numbers are being under reported.

Please talk people.

jheneaiko

Very sad.

Penny Tration

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Suicide is a scourge in this country. Along with this incident today I just heard of a 13 year old who committed suicide this evening. 13 years old ffs!!!!! What the bloody hell is wrong with the place? I've lost my my dad and uncle to it aswell.

Sorry to go off this case but it's a f**kin serious problem.

Please talk people.

Jesus, I'm so sorry about your dad and uncle.

ChikiChiki

Penny Tration wrote: »

Jesus, I'm so sorry about your dad and uncle.

Thanks for your sympathies Penny. I will never get over it but will drive on through life as best I can.

I know their are many households like ours. My graveyard is full of people lost to it more so in recent years.

My dad was just gone 60 and hit hard by the recession. He felt it was the end of the road for him. In a weird way I can understand, however I cannot understand why a 13 year old as I mentioned in my original post would do it. How can someone not long in the world with a big future ahead feel so low.

It baffles me. Utterly terrible. Sorry to derail guys.

RIP to the poor man.

ShadyAcres

Jesus, I was there this afternoon, not long before it happened. Sad