Olympic Council fella Pat Hickey Arrested in Rio

Seth Brundle · 11-09-2016 12:22AM

CFlat wrote: »

I don't blame any of the accused outside Brasil not turning up. It would be like Ian Bailey going to France for the case against him.

There's a big difference between the two cases: there's no evidence against Bailey bar some fabricated nonsense but that's all the French have to go on. The Brazilian polis appear to have fOundle plenty against the OCI/THG crew (and not just Hickey)

CFlat · 11-09-2016 12:33AM

kbannon wrote: »

There's a big difference between the two cases: there's no evidence against Bailey bar some fabricated nonsense but that's all the French have to go on. The Brazilian polis appear to have fOundle plenty against the OCI/THG crew (and not just Hickey)

I wasn't comparing the cases, I was comparing the inevitable outcomes.

Water John · 11-09-2016 12:41PM

CFlat, are you saying the Napoleonic code doesn't deliver justice?
That's a bit of a wide sweep.

Calahonda52 · 11-09-2016 01:08PM

CFlat wrote: »

Either that or find out which high ranking police official, prosecutor or judge they can pay off. That's the way it works over there. If this case goes to court they are royally f**ked. The Brazilian authorities are out for blood here. I don't blame any of the accused outside Brasil not turning up. It would be like Ian Bailey going to France for the case against him.

OTT

maudgonner wrote: »

Apparently he lives a relatively modest lifestyle - very comfortable but not ostentatiously wealthy. (He has a €1.5 million property portfolio though). Lives in Castleknock I think. Someone made the comment that he's more motivated by the status and prestige that come with being a leading figure in the IOC than he is money.

He's entitled to 70k per year from the OCI but hasn't taken it - it's going towards a scholarship fund instead I think. Or maybe towards a legal fund now :pac:

Re the motivation nonsense, when you don't have to put you hand in your pocket for anything once you leave these shores and a fair bit here, its very easy not to take the bursary.
When on IOC business, all his expenses are reclaimable from them so no issue with Revenue here re the allowable expenses test.

I believe it is 60k pa called a bursary
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/180000-bursary-to-be-set-up-in-name-of-olympic-chief-pat-hickey-29994375.html
It was supposed to be 3 years but then he stayed on

foggy_lad · 11-09-2016 01:50PM

Calahonda52 wrote: »

OTT

Re the motivation nonsense, when you don't have to put you hand in your pocket for anything once you leave these shores and a fair bit here, its very easy not to take the bursary.
When on IOC business, all his expenses are reclaimable from them so no issue with Revenue here re the allowable expenses test.

I believe it is 60k pa called a bursary
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/180000-bursary-to-be-set-up-in-name-of-olympic-chief-pat-hickey-29994375.html
It was supposed to be 3 years but then he stayed on

Does that include the €800 a day walking around money he got while attending the Olympics?

Seth Brundle · 11-09-2016 02:05PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Does that include the €800 a day walking around money he got while attending the Olympics?

Bloody hell. People will begrudge anything. He worked hard for four years to get to the Olympics. The hours sweating as he walked through the Phoenix Park, the suffering caused by the hardship of having to choose the red or the white when dining with Putin, the loneliness of nights away from home with his wife at IOC meetings having to slum it in top hotels.
And sure even to get to Rio, he was forced to fly first class, kept isolated from the irish athletes and other riff raff. When he gets there he is forced to slum it with several rooms in a top hotel, again kept in isolation away from the Irish athletes and revellers . But even then he can't have peace with begrudging Irish politicians coming to harass him.
Pat Hickey is a victim here. The €800 per day is pittance to such a wonderful man who has suffered so much for all of us . In fact, he should have been given twice that just for being so great!

maudgonner · 11-09-2016 02:30PM

Calahonda52 wrote: »

I believe it is 60k pa called a bursary
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/180000-bursary-to-be-set-up-in-name-of-olympic-chief-pat-hickey-29994375.html
It was supposed to be 3 years but then he stayed on

70k was mentioned a number of times earlier in this thread, but I'm not sure where the figure was coming from, unless Pat gave himself a raise.

Water John · 11-09-2016 03:28PM

I see Ian Guider in the SBP writing that PH expects to step back into his role in OCI whilst awaiting trial, once he returns.
Talk about brass neck and steel balls.

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2016 03:43PM

Water John wrote: »

I see Ian Guider in the SBP writing that PH expects to step back into his role in OCI whilst awaiting trial, once he returns.
Talk about brass neck and steel balls.

Wait, will he step into it while awaiting trial, or when he returns? He presumably won't be returning to Ireland before the trial?

Stheno · 11-09-2016 03:46PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Wait, will he step into it while awaiting trial, or when he returns? He presumably won't be returning to Ireland before the trial?

The Sindo is claiming he may be allowed return next week!

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2016 05:23PM

Stheno wrote: »

The Sindo is claiming he may be allowed return next week!

Hahaha sure that's the last three Brazilians will ever see of him. He'll be on tubridy getting a pat on the back and assuring us he could never have gotten a fair trial or whatever, they'll all have a good laugh about it and that'll be the end of it. Maybe a paper enquiry in the dail about it where Shane Ross can feel better about being put back in his box.

Water John · 11-09-2016 05:34PM

I think others will strike. He's aware of that B O'B fired the shots a few days ago.

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2016 05:44PM

Water John wrote: »

I think others will strike. He's aware of that B O'B fired the shots a few days ago.

Yeah but I just mean he won't go back to Brazil and face a trial if he comes home. There's clearly blood in the water as regards his position in the oci

ahlookit · 11-09-2016 07:26PM

Pat maintains his innocence, is humbled by the support he's received from Ireland and reckons he's not under house arrest.

Maybe he's going to go down the insanity route when it goes to court

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/latin-america/pat-hickey-this-has-been-a-lifechanging-experience-for-me-i-am-humbled-by-the-support-of-thousands-in-ireland-35040018.html

Water John · 11-09-2016 09:04PM

I'm disappointed. Obviously someone has shielded him from reading this thread.

foggy_lad · 11-09-2016 11:42PM

ahlookit wrote: »

Pat maintains his innocence, is humbled by the support he's received from Ireland and reckons he's not under house arrest.

Maybe he's going to go down the insanity route when it goes to court

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/latin-america/pat-hickey-this-has-been-a-lifechanging-experience-for-me-i-am-humbled-by-the-support-of-thousands-in-ireland-35040018.html

He is right about not being under house arrest, he was released on bail with conditions which is very different to house arrest.

ahlookit · 11-09-2016 11:53PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

He is right about not being under house arrest, he was released on bail with conditions which is very different to house arrest.

I assumed this Reuters article on Friday was accurate ... Where did you see he's not under house arrest? just wondering if there are better sources of info out there.

The court ordered Hickey and Mallon, who have had their passports confiscated and been told to remain in Brazil, to appear at a Rio court on the 20th of every month and to obey a 10 p.m. house arrest curfew.

They are also banned from Paralympic Games activities.

Should they violate the terms of house arrest, Hickey and Mallon could return to jail, the court warned.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11G00H

Beasty · 12-09-2016 08:33AM

I think something may be being lost in translation here. He's under a curfew from 10pm every night. That may be interpreted as house arrest, in which case it's a partial house arrest. Hence you could read it either way, with Hickey reading it the way that suits him, and others equally reading it the way that suits them.

Seth Brundle · 12-09-2016 08:40AM

"Under-pressure Olympic Council of Ireland (OCI) boss Pat Hickey will not resume his role as chief of the organisation if he returns to Ireland, according to the OCI acting president Willie O'Brien."
http://m.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/hickey-wont-resume-role-as-oci-chief-if-he-comes-home-35040740.html

philstar · 12-09-2016 04:42PM

^^^^^^

i wonder will he still receive his pension if found guilty

Seth Brundle · 12-09-2016 04:53PM

philstar wrote: »

^^^^^^

i wonder will he still receive his pension if found guilty

Why wouldn't he? He hasn't been sacked.

Seth Brundle · 13-09-2016 08:38AM

According to the IT, Dermot Henihan, Kevin Kilty and Stephen Martin have been given their passports and travel docs back. They have also checked out of their hotels.
According to the police, the men said that Hickey was responsible for the organisation's ticketing arrangements.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/oci-officials-have-their-passports-returned-to-them-1.2789406

suicide_circus · 13-09-2016 08:42AM

kbannon wrote: »

Why wouldn't he? He hasn't been sacked.

Too much to hope there's clause in his contract relating to gross misconduct I suppose. He'll probably get a cash bonus.

ahlookit · 13-09-2016 10:12AM

kbannon wrote: »

According to the IT, Dermot Henihan, Kevin Kilty and Stephen Martin have been given their passports and travel docs back. They have also checked out of their hotels.
According to the police, the men said that Hickey was responsible for the organisation's ticketing arrangements.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/oci-officials-have-their-passports-returned-to-them-1.2789406

It seems that Pat was very keen for THG to get the gig selling Rio tickets

Pat Hickey wrote to senior International Olympic Committee (IOC) officials proposing that alleged ticket tout agency THG become a "sub agent" for the Rio 2016 Games after the local organising committee resisted its appointment.

In emails released by Rio de Janeiro police, Mr Hickey set out a "strategy" that the Olympic Council of Ireland (OCI) be its own ticket reseller for Rio 2016.
He proposed that THG, in its role as a sub agent, would be granted "all the same rights" as an authorised ticket reseller (ATR).

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/hickey-sought-rio-reprieve-for-ticket-firm-thg-35044061.html

Looks like Bernard O'Byrne is turning up the heat within the OCI. Loks like Taekwando Ireland are on his side. Maybe the Taekwando crowd dont get on with the Judo types...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/were-waiting-in-limbo-says-oci-affiliate-35044063.html

2RockMountain · 13-09-2016 11:54AM

kbannon wrote: »

Why wouldn't he? He hasn't been sacked.

And even if he was, you don't generally lose your pension when you're sacked. The pension funds are most likely not in the direct control of the OCI. They would be in control of trustees, or possibly Hickey himself. They would need to take a separate case against him for damages.

Deise Vu · 13-09-2016 12:07PM

Just to stop people getting carried away here. Hickeys position within the OCI is purely honorary. He gets 60k ( plus all the beanos and the expenses) as an honorarium only. I very much doubt that is pensionable. There is also no mention of pension contributions in the OCI's accounts other than for the full time employees.

stimpson · 13-09-2016 12:21PM

Deise Vu wrote: »

Just to stop people getting carried away here. Hickeys position within the OCI is purely honorary. He gets 60k ( plus all the beanos and the expenses) as an honorarium only. I very much doubt that is pensionable. There is also no mention of pension contributions in the OCI's accounts other than for the full time employees.

Who needs a pension when you've got a bag full of Olympics tickets?

Santos L. Halper · 13-09-2016 01:39PM

kbannon wrote: »

According to the IT, Dermot Henihan, Kevin Kilty and Stephen Martin have been given their passports and travel docs back.

Good, because I really want to see Cheaper By the Dozen 3.

ahlookit · 13-09-2016 08:40PM

The Brazilians are sending us Michael Lynn.

Out of politeness we should offer them John Delaney in return.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0913/816378-michael-lynn-court/

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-09-2016 08:56PM

ahlookit wrote: »

The Brazilians are sending us Michael Lynn.

Out of politeness we should offer them John Delaney in return.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0913/816378-michael-lynn-court/

And people say there's no such thing as a win-win situation.

Olympic Council fella Pat Hickey Arrested in Rio

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