9/11 15th Anniversary....your memories, feelings, thoughts about that day 15 years on

Calibos · 11-09-2016 01:50PM

Oh I forgot, its that time of the year again where I get to refresh my list of CT loons and know to take every other post they make with a pince of salt.

weisses · 11-09-2016 01:51PM

Calibos wrote: »

Oh I forgot, its that time of the year again where I get to refresh my list of CT loons and know to take every other post they make with a pince of salt.

No need to ... You could just save a copy of the NIST report and look at it 24/7

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 01:54PM

getzls wrote: »

Who of course are being murdered every day by the Religion of Peace

Ah well that makes it OK to just murder them anyway for no reason and claim you are "helping" them then.

And how does one get murdered by a religion anyway?

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 01:59PM

eviltwin wrote: »

It was one of the worst events in living memory but I feel it's time for those of us not personally affected to move on. The endless tv shows and other coverage every year is a bit much 15 years on.

I would argue that what was done to the innocent countries of Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and Somalia and Yermen in retaliation are events that are infinitely worse.

3000 people were killed on 9/11.
1.5 million were killed in Iraq. Are you saying 9/11 overshadows the horror and carnage of Iraq and Afghanistan that continues to this day?

Kermit.de.frog · 11-09-2016 02:01PM

Terrible and deeply uncomfortable day but i'm a little wary of the level of exceptionalism attached to the deaths due to this event at this stage.

Plenty of people dieing equal violent and needless deaths all over the world due to one thing or another.

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 02:02PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I am not one for conspiracy theories, but there has always been one thing that did not sit right with me.

Look at the footage from any plane crash / bombing / hijacking etc , there is always wreckage visible. Most often large pieces of fuselage or tail section.

Yet in the Pentagon incident there was not a single piece of wreckage at the site. A wide body plane does not vaporise upon impact.

Same situation with the plane that "crashed" in Pennsylvania.

It simply does not add up.

You're going to get called a tinfoiler despite stating the obvious.

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 02:05PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Maintaining conspiracy theories since totally disproven are an insult to the dead and the bereaved.

In the wider scheme of things, worse events have happened before and since the Sept 2001 attacks, but it was a historical watershed moment. Re-running the same hackneyed docos on the telly EVERY year is flogging it more than needs be at this stage. Discreet remembrance by the bereaved and those involved in the recovery is all that should be happening at this stage. The world has more to be worried about.

It's disgusting and cowardly to try and shut people up by shaming them into not asking questions. Who do you think you are?
A lot of the families of the dead have many questions that aren't being answered. You want to lecture them into silence as well?

AudreyHepburn · 11-09-2016 02:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Terrible and deeply uncomfortable day but i'm a little wary of the level of exceptionalism attached to the deaths due to this event at this stage.

Plenty of people dieing equal violent and needless deaths all over the world due to one thing or another.

I think the way people react to 9/11 is due to the fact that we were forced to watch live as 3000 innocent people were murdered in the space of an hour. We were literally watching people die at the hands of mad men.

Of course terrible things happen all the time but this was on a scale never seen before.

I'm bit surprised at the reactions of some posters here tbh. Why shouldn't we remember those who died? Does the fact that other horrible things have happened since mean 9/11 should be played down or forgotten?

11-09-2016 02:08PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I agree with your point.

But the Pentagon conspiracy theory has not actually been dis-proven.

No black boxes.
No wreckage
No CCTV released ( Consider the building in question)

And dont get me started on how the jets crashing into the towers caused enough heat to melt the building enough to the point it collapsed ..... yet they found the passport of the hijacker on the ground a few blocks away.

Seriously ?????

CCTV footage WAS released at the time showing the aircraft hitting the building!
In fact several different angles were shown.

Why are there conspiracy theories about this event, there are many of us who saw the whole thing play out on live TV.

Tzardine · 11-09-2016 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

CCTV footage WAS released at the time showing the aircraft hitting the building!
In fact several different angles were shown.

Why are there conspiracy theories about this event, there are many of us who saw the whole thing play out on live TV.

Sorry but that is incorrect.

There is nothing showing a plane hitting the building.

Just a crappy 2fps car park camera showing a flash and a fireball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBasgFop40I

Stealthfins · 11-09-2016 02:14PM

Tzardine wrote:

There is nothing showing a plane hitting the building.

Tzardine wrote:

Just a crappy 2fps car park camera showing a flash and a fireball.

Tzardine wrote:

Sorry but that is incorrect.

If that's your opinion you're entitled to it.

But maybe your research isn't as informative as most.

11-09-2016 02:15PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Sorry but that is incorrect.

There is nothing showing a plane hitting the building.

Just a crappy 2fps car park camera showing a flash and a fireball.

This one you mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFqXbfv_yg

You do see a plane in one frame.

HS3 · 11-09-2016 02:15PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Maintaining conspiracy theories since totally disproven are an insult to the dead and the bereaved.

In the wider scheme of things, worse events have happened before and since the Sept 2001 attacks, but it was a historical watershed moment. Re-running the same hackneyed docos on the telly EVERY year is flogging it more than needs be at this stage. Discreet remembrance by the bereaved and those involved in the recovery is all that should be happening at this stage. The world has more to be worried about.

I've seen/heard this a lot over the years. I think it's more disgusting and disrespectful to try and shut people up by laying on guilt trips. Asking questions is how we get to the truth and accepting what you're told without reservation is more of offensive. The victims and the bereaved deserve to know what and why it happened. I don't think for one second we've been told the truth. Everything that unfolded after is enough to make you wonder. I don't see how asking questions and delving deeper is disrespectful to anyone, particularly if it some day brings put the truth.

Tzardine · 11-09-2016 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This one you mean.

Yes, that is the only footage ever released.

If you see a plane in that frame, with respect, you need to go to specsavers

Harvey Normal · 11-09-2016 02:21PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I think the way people react to 9/11 is due to the fact that we were forced to watch live as 3000 innocent people were murdered in the space of an hour. We were literally watching people die at the hands of mad men.

Of course terrible things happen all the time but this was on a scale never seen before.

I'm bit surprised at the reactions of some posters here tbh. Why shouldn't we remember those who died? Does the fact that other horrible things have happened since mean 9/11 should be played down or forgotten?

Give over. Never seen before? You think 3000 is the maximum number of civilians ever killed anywhere on one day?

The problem with caring about 9/11 beyond a certain time limit is not just that it trivialises other subsequent deaths but that the ideology of continuous war since has killed more, and destabilised both the Middle East and Europe.

Tzardine · 11-09-2016 02:21PM

Stealthfins wrote: »

If that's your opinion you're entitled to it.

But maybe your research isn't as informative as most.

I am not a 'truther'. I have not done any research.

Maybe it was a plane that hit, maybe it was a laser from a UFO . I dunno.

I just asked the question, if it was a plane, explain why there is no wreckage. And why is there no better footage available. Its the bloody Pentagon.

Harvey Normal · 11-09-2016 02:24PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Yes, that is the only footage ever released.

If you see a plane in that frame, with respect, you need to go to specsavers

I've never seen that before actually.

Definitely there's no obvious plane but the frame-rate is one per second. And it was travelling fast.

Edit: there's something on the right on the 25th frame/second. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? A car? Hard to tell.

11-09-2016 02:24PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Yes, that is the only footage ever released.

If you see a plane in that frame, with respect, you need to go to specsavers

It is the fact that it is only a slow video that gives conspiracy theorists a gap to fill in with all the speculation.

I ask you "where did the disappeared aircraft go?"
Four aeroplanes were hijacked each containing about 100 passengers, all four crashed, one was prevented from reaching its intended target by passengers who overcame the hijackers but were unable to save the plane. The others crashed into their intended targets.

11-09-2016 02:27PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

I never saw that before actually. Definitely there's no obvious plane but the frame-rate is one per second. And it was travelling fast.

All you see is a white blur one frame before impact, with respect to the CCTV system, that's as good as it gets.

It's worth remembering that the design of the pentagon limited the damage to just one small section that they had completely reconstructed and occupied before the first anniversary of the attack.

Tzardine · 11-09-2016 02:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I ask you "where did the disappeared aircraft go?"

I have no idea.

But seriously , be objective for a second and ask the question.

A plane crashes into a building. There is not a shred of wreckage.

No metal pieces
No remains of the engines
No seats
No bodies
No luggage

Why is this so ?

AudreyHepburn · 11-09-2016 02:28PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Give over. Never seen before? You think 3000 is the maximum number of civilians ever killed anywhere on one day?

The problem with caring about 9/11 beyond a certain time limit is not just that it trivialises other subsequent deaths but that the ideology of continuous war since has killed more, and destabilised both the Middle East and Europe.

I don't think I'm the one that needs to 'give over'.

In what strange world does remembering a particular event on it's anniversary in any trivialize other events?

To me it was an event the likes of which I have never seen before or since.....although if you can give me a list of other events in which thousands of innocent people were murdered live on television I will happily stand corrected.

Chris_Bradley · 11-09-2016 02:31PM

Horrible when so many innocents die because of their government's foreign policy of liking states with a large deposits of crude.

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 02:32PM

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

It was the single biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world.

It has had direct responsibility for hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocent people and the displacement of millions, the ramifications are still being felt today.

Its IMO the single most biggest event in the world since the end of WW2.

I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bigger if you want to make comparisons.

11-09-2016 02:34PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I have no idea.

But seriously , be objective for a second and ask the question.

A plane crashes into a building. There is not a shred of wreckage.

No metal pieces
No remains of the engines
No seats
No bodies
No luggage

Why is this so ?

Read this and then revert!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77
Are you saying that this entire event was fabricated.
If you do then I will not reply.

Harvey Normal · 11-09-2016 02:38PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't think I'm the one that needs to 'give over'.

In what strange world does remembering a particular event on it's anniversary in any trivialize other events?

To me it was an event the likes of which I have never seen before or since.....although if you can give me a list of other events in which thousands of innocent people were murdered live on television I will happily stand corrected.

Live on television is an availablity bias.

As the footage ages more and more people wouldn't have seen it live so we can concentrate on more recent events.

Also the per day figure is a bit misleading. If 3,000 people are killed by terrorism in a day, and that's it for the year, then it's 3,000 per year. Even in 2001, deaths by domestic gun violence were no doubt much higher.

RobertKK · 11-09-2016 02:38PM

Eating Spaghetti Bolognese as I watched Sky News and saw live footage of the second plane hit the second tower, and realising then the first was not an accident.
Glued to the TV as it was better than any Hollywood movie for suspense as rumours flew about other planes, the Pentagon hit, and then the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.
My neighbour who had nephews in the NYPD, coming in and crying as she worried for their safety, they are my 3rd cousins. They were fine.
The sheer horror of the day.

From a selfish point of view, thinking about my holiday to NY which was 13 days later and thinking of how I wanted to go to the top of the WTC, and then wondering what would I have done if I was trapped, would I have jumped to my death if the heat from the fire was too much and I couldn't get away, or would I have waited in the hope of a rescue if the fire was not affecting me much.

My memories have been affected by what I saw two weeks after the attack, there was still dust in the air around ground zero, the smoke from the burning wreckage which could be seen a long way away from the site, some vehicles which had not been moved since the attack and covered in thick grey dust - maybe the owner had died in the attack, the strong smell of burning steel and concrete. The firemen who looked like ants with their fire hoses watering down several stories of rubble.
It was hard to believe so many people had died there.
When I watch actual footage from the day it still makes me well up at times. I saw some footage I hadn't seen before earlier in the week, it was of firemen doing their job, and you could hear this very loud rumble as the building was collapsing. It got me.
I also have a photo from Times Square from September 2001, which on the news feed you can see there, was about Afghanistan.
It was an extraordinary time.

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

CCTV footage WAS released at the time showing the aircraft hitting the building!
In fact several different angles were shown.

Why are there conspiracy theories about this event, there are many of us who saw the whole thing play out on live TV.

Do you have a source or link to these CCTV sequences? I haven't seen any.

Autonomous Cowherd · 11-09-2016 02:41PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q

HensVassal · 11-09-2016 02:42PM

Stealthfins wrote: »

If that's your opinion you're entitled to it.

But maybe your research isn't as informative as most.

It doesn't appear to be an opinion. It appears to be a fact unless you can show the footage of a plane (from several different angles apparently) hitting the Pentagon.

The flying mouse · 11-09-2016 02:49PM

I was in Portugal (still am) coming from the beach I see lots of people gathered around a tv at one of the beach bars, which was very unusual, went over and seen reruns of the first plane hitting the tower ,thought and hoped it was an accident, Then the other plane hit, wow knew this was a game changer.

9/11 15th Anniversary....your memories, feelings, thoughts about that day 15 years on

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