Glasgow v Leinster Match Thread

Rightwing · 10-09-2016 6:04pm

former total wrote: »

Take it you didn't see the game?

Correct.

I'd be a bit worried for Munster in Europe though on the basis of the massive points they are running up against the Irish sides.

former total · 10-09-2016 6:07pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Correct.

Leinster were ahead for most of it, Glasgow got two tries in the space of five minutes from an intercept and a knock-on. They are not unbeatable.

Rightwing · 10-09-2016 6:10pm

former total wrote: »

Leinster were ahead for most of it, Glasgow got two tries in the space of five minutes from an intercept and a knock-on. They are not unbeatable.

Wouldn't doubt you there, but they are a team very capable of capitalising on mistakes. Still, an entertaining start to the league it must be said.

redmca2 · 10-09-2016 6:18pm

I missed the game completely and went to the official Pro 12 website.
It's revamped since last year and not for the better.
The results of the 2 matches played so far today are not there yet (it's now 7.18 pm).
In a word, the new layout is sh1te.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 10-09-2016 6:28pm

Do Glasgow have a full strength team at the moment?

They look good but as someone pointed out before Leinster are without a fair few players and if they'd been a bit more clinical today probably could have won.

Not sure that explains the Connacht result though.

vienne86 · 10-09-2016 6:37pm

redmca2 wrote: »

I missed the game completely and went to the official Pro 12 website.
It's revamped since last year and not for the better.
The results of the 2 matches played so far today are not there yet (it's now 7.18 pm).
In a word, the new layout is sh1te.

And I couldn't find anything when I clicked on 'Live' during the match.

Like a lot of revamped websites, it looks pretty, but that's about it.

Adbrowne · 10-09-2016 6:50pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Do Glasgow have a full strength team at the moment?

They look good but as someone pointed out before Leinster are without a fair few players and if they'd been a bit more clinical today probably could have won.

Not sure that explains the Connacht result though.

Pretty much full strength for glasgow yeah

10-09-2016 6:53pm

I thought this and the Munster game were both very entertaining overall, good advert for the league.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 10-09-2016 7:34pm

Adbrowne wrote: »

Pretty much full strength for glasgow yeah

I forgot they're without Finn Russell but they seem to be managing.

Dave_The_Sheep · 10-09-2016 7:59pm

matthew8 wrote: »

Couldn't come to that conclusion at all based on today. They had a full strength side, Leinster were severely depleted and yet Leinster put it right up to them, and perhaps should have won. If Leinster can maintain this form I'd be very confident we can beat them in the Aviva at the end of the year with a full strength side.

Aye, that's true. They've been very strong though, and are appearing very clinical when it comes to scoring opportunities vs actually scoring. Just taking today, their scores didn't take masses of effort, whereas we had to work for them. Mid way through the first half for example, we laboured to a try and then they went back up the field and scored seemingly at will. To our credit we denied them any opportunity to do that again for the rest of the half (more or less) by keeping the ball.

They just strike me as a team only going to get better. We shall see though.

funtime93 · 10-09-2016 8:19pm

wp_rathead wrote: »

Seymour definitely one that got away regards Ireland

You joking? He's bang average. The fact sky had him on "lions watch" today was laughable.

funtime93 · 10-09-2016 8:21pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I forgot they're without Finn Russell but they seem to be managing.

No mark bennett or josh strauss either.

irishbucsfan · 10-09-2016 8:25pm

funtime93 wrote: »

You joking? He's bang average. The fact sky had him on "lions watch" today was laughable.

He has an impressive try scoring rate, I think you're underrating him.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 10-09-2016 8:29pm

funtime93 wrote: »

You joking? He's bang average. The fact sky had him on "lions watch" today was laughable.

He's ahead of any Irish or Welsh wingers for me.

scott1974 · 10-09-2016 8:36pm

Cuthbert is a lion. Go figure! !!

ixus · 10-09-2016 9:14pm

Apologies for raising this as I'm sure it has been done before but...what's the story behind the bleached heads? Charity/supporting something? If it's not either I think it's the height of stupidity.

Reminds me of the Liverpool team that wore white suites to FA cup donkeys years ago. When they lose or make mistakes , their stupid hair makes the team look worse. Like they are not preparing properly. It's tacky as fck.

Adbrowne · 10-09-2016 9:16pm

ixus wrote: »

Apologies for raising this as I'm sure it has been done before but...what's the story behind the bleached heads? Charity/supporting something? If it's not either I think it's the height of stupidity.

Reminds me of the Liverpool team that wore white suites to FA cup donkeys years ago. When they lose or make mistakes , their stupid hair makes the team look worse. Like they are not preparing priperly. It's tacky as fck.

Shave or dye in support of kurt mcquilkin who had to return to nz for family health reasons. Just because a group of players dyes there hair doesnt mean they arent going about their job professionally. They do have a thing called personal time. To suggest otherwise is utter bollox

irishbucsfan · 10-09-2016 9:17pm

ixus wrote: »

Apologies for raising this as I'm sure it has been done before but...what's the story behind the bleached heads? Charity/supporting something? If it's not either I think it's the height of stupidity.

Reminds me of the Liverpool team that wore white suites to FA cup donkeys years ago. When they lose or make mistakes , their stupid hair makes the team look worse. Like they are not preparing properly. It's tacky as fck.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/gallery-leinster-rugby-stars-shave-or-dye-to-raise-money-for-departing-coachs-family-35008262.html

In benefit of Kurt McQuilkin's family

Dave_The_Sheep · 10-09-2016 9:17pm

ixus wrote: »

Apologies for raising this as I'm sure it has been done before but...what's the story behind the bleached heads? Charity/supporting something? If it's not either I think it's the height of stupidity.

Reminds me of the Liverpool team that wore white suites to FA cup donkeys years ago. When they lose or make mistakes , their stupid hair makes the team look worse. Like they are not preparing properly. It's tacky as fck.

Shave or Dye.

https://www.cancer.ie/get-involved/fundraise/major-fundraising-drives/shave-or-dye/about

Cathalthesmart · 10-09-2016 9:20pm

Gatland has said on numerous occasions that in his opinion, the pro12 isn't relevant when it comes to form. That tells you that what ever Seymour has done thus far is irrelevant unless he can produce the same form for Scotland. I rate him highly and dont doubt he can do it but I won't care for what a player can do in a domestic league unless they do it in the Champions cup or 6N or Autemn internationals unless that player has a special advantage i.e a prop that can cover loose head and tight head like Matt Stevens.

ixus · 10-09-2016 9:26pm

Adbrowne wrote: »

Shave or dye in support of kurt mcquilkin who had to return to nz for family health reasons. Just because a group of players dyes there hair doesnt mean they arent going about their job professionally. They do have a thing called personal time. To suggest otherwise is utter bollox

Thanks for informing me. I missed the link. It's for a good cause which is understandable.

I'd 100% disagree with your point of view in final three sentences but it's immaterial to what the players are doing it for so not worth a discussion.

Adbrowne · 10-09-2016 9:33pm

ixus wrote: »

Thanks for informing me. I missed the link. It's for a good cause which is understandable.

I'd 100% disagree with your point of view in final three sentences but it's immaterial to what the players are doing it for so not worth a discussion.

Are the players not allowed to have a life outside of rugby, to do what other people do in their 20s (predominately) do?. Its not like they are off getting pissed a few days before a game. They are humans, not robots

ixus · 10-09-2016 10:25pm

It's way off topic and a general question about sports professionals/teams as opposed to a specific one about Leinster.

The players are doing it for a good cause which I fully understand and support. In general, I have no interest what a professional athlete does in there personal lives. None.

Adbrowne · 10-09-2016 10:27pm

ixus wrote: »

It's way off topic and a general question about sports professionals/teams as opposed to a specific one about Leinster.

The players are doing it for a good cause which I fully understand and support. In general, I have no interest what a professional athlete does in there personal lives. None.

So why claim they are stupid for a few of them going blond then?

ixus · 10-09-2016 10:38pm

It appears you can read but not comprehend. I've explained all that in my original post.

Adbrowne · 10-09-2016 10:50pm

ixus wrote: »

It appears you can read but not comprehend. I've explained all that in my original post.

Your just whinging for the sake of it. The colour of their hair isnt why a mistake is made or a poor performance occurs. Whether it was charity of not its an irrelevance.

wp_rathead · 10-09-2016 10:58pm

funtime93 wrote: »

You joking? He's bang average. The fact sky had him on "lions watch" today was laughable.

why on earth would that be a joke-he would undoubtedly be an assist to Ireland on the wing

irishbucsfan wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/gallery-leinster-rugby-stars-shave-or-dye-to-raise-money-for-departing-coachs-family-35008262.html

In benefit of Kurt McQuilkin's family

do you have a link to explain the Away Jersey

degsie · 10-09-2016 11:01pm

Did anybody else spot that Glasgow were the better team today?

ixus · 10-09-2016 11:07pm

Adbrowne wrote: »

Your just whinging for the sake of it. The colour of their hair isnt why a mistake is made or a poor performance occurs. Whether it was charity of not its an irrelevance.

You don't get it and I don't feel the need (beyond what I have) to explain it to you. Psychology is a massive part of sport. Worth learning about.

molloyjh · 10-09-2016 11:09pm

degsie wrote: »

Did anybody else spot that Glasgow were the better team today?

Overall they were, although few if any have said otherwise. You would expect a full strength Glasgow team to be better than a second string Leinster team though, hence people's expectations before kick-off.

Ultimately Glasgow showed their class by taking full advantage of the opportunities presented to them. And full credit to them for it. But Leinster, given the respective strengths of the squads, played far beyond what many expected and deserve credit too. They deserved to get something from that game in reality and 5-0 is not at all a fair reflection on what happened over the 80.

molloyjh · 10-09-2016 11:12pm

ixus wrote: »

You don't get it and I don't feel the need (beyond what I have) to explain it to you. Psychology is a massive part of sport. Worth learning about.

Pretty sure you can both stop being dicks about now.

Ixus, you called it the height of stupidity to be doing what they did if not for charity. From a sporting point of view what they do with their hair is completely irrelevant. They could all go ginger for the craic as long as they are doing their jobs and it wouldn't matter a damn.

Adbrowne, let it go. It really doesn't matter.

bobbyss · 10-09-2016 11:14pm

Was Sexton injured? He always seems to be injured. How many games does that fella miss!

molloyjh · 10-09-2016 11:23pm

bobbyss wrote: »

Was Sexton injured? He always seems to be injured. How many games does that fella miss!

He is injured, but even if he wasn't he'd have been rested. His injuries are often exaggerated though. He was available pretty much all last season except the SA tour.

Neil3030 · 10-09-2016 11:31pm

Very encouraging performance, and a losing bonus point would have been the least we deserved. Line-speed was solid throughout the game and a lot of things starting to click in attack. Sorely missed Tracy's darts after he went off I think we lost something like two or three consecutive line-outs during that crucial period when Glasgow came back into it.

A lot to build on and be positive about though. Carberry had a great game and I hope the intercept doesn't rock him. That's also the best I've seen Healy play in a long time. Leavy reminded us today that he was the next big thing a couple of years ago. Ringrose made some nice slick linebreaks. Murphy and Molony both carried well. McCarthy was everywhere.

(Now let's just sign that Fijian winger and centre please.)

mogwai81 · 11-09-2016 7:09am

Is Adam Byrne injured or not deemed currently good enough for the match day squads? He had a good pre season scoring a few tries. If he struggles to get game time this year i can see him leaving, which would be a pity after losing Kelleher and having an ageing back line.
I know he has had some injuries but he seems to have not kicked on since debuting at 19, it's a pity as he has speed and power.

sydthebeat · 11-09-2016 8:27am

Cathalthesmart wrote: »

Gatland has said on numerous occasions that in his opinion, the pro12 isn't relevant when it comes to form. That tells you that what ever Seymour has done thus far is irrelevant unless he can produce the same form for Scotland. I rate him highly and dont doubt he can do it but I won't care for what a player can do in a domestic league unless they do it in the Champions cup or 6N or Autemn internationals unless that player has a special advantage i.e a prop that can cover loose head and tight head like Matt Stevens.

Seymours form for Scotland is already great. He has a try scoring return of 2.2, which is equal to Tommy bowe for ireland.
Barring his form falls off a cliff he's on the plane. Wing is an area the lions aren't exactly strongest in.

Cathalthesmart · 11-09-2016 9:33am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Seymours form for Scotland is already great. He has a try scoring return of 2.2, which is equal to Tommy bowe for ireland.
Barring his form falls off a cliff he's on the plane. Wing is an area the lions aren't exactly strongest in.

Well then he will be a Lion so.

swiwi_ · 11-09-2016 11:29am

Reckon the BP system used in the Top14 and also this season in Super Rugby might be fairer (no 4TBP, rather BP for finishing 3 tries ahead).

Anyway if you're feeling a bit down about 5-0, just think of your neighbours out Wesht...

LeinsterDub · 11-09-2016 11:39am

flogthebog wrote: »

really dislike these all-weather pitches. Watched a couple of scrums and you can clearly see players with big boot studs not being able to get a grip on the surface

I've played on them it's not an issue

irishbucsfan · 11-09-2016 11:41am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I've played on them it's not an issue

I actually find the biggest difference is with running, I haven't really heard a great way to describe it but it's like they're "bouncier"

Cathalthesmart · 11-09-2016 11:43am

There a big issue in soccer/football as the ball moves a lot faster, in rugby there not ideal but aren't a factor in the loss yesterday.

molloyjh · 11-09-2016 11:46am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I actually find the biggest difference is with running, I haven't really heard a great way to describe it but it's like they're "bouncier"

First time I was on one I thought it felt like running on a mattress almost. It's bizarre and also comfortable.....

irishbucsfan · 11-09-2016 11:47am

molloyjh wrote: »

First time I was on one I thought it felt like running on a mattress almost. It's bizarre and also comfortable.....

First time I was on one we were in a semi-final and we lost quite badly, so I will always hate them

LeinsterDub · 11-09-2016 12:06pm

molloyjh wrote: »

First time I was on one I thought it felt like running on a mattress almost. It's bizarre and also comfortable.....

The UCD one is far more bouncy than the Donnybrook one they seem to be improving with the years.

molloyjh · 11-09-2016 2:35pm

Having just watched the game back it was one between 2 fairly evenly matched sides in many ways. We had a 5 minute spell where we took advantage of a Glasgow yellow to get 2 tries. They had a 5 minute spell where they took advantage of a couple of Leinster errors. We got bundled into touch on one opportunity, so did they. On 70 minutes it was a 1 point game so there was nothing in it at all. Two evenly matched teams.

That one moment of class for their last score showed the difference. They were well drilled and we got caught due to a bit of inexperience. And with a little less impact off the bench we couldn't get our way back into it. Lacey didn't help with some really frustrating calls in the last 10, but ultimately we all but measured up to a near full strength Glasgow side in Glasgow while missing around 10 players. I think we were a bit unlucky really not to get the LBP and even had a few opportunities in the second have to get the TBP but small things let us down. A pop from Leavy to Furlong was just a little too low to allow Furlong to move it on to an incoming runner (can't remember who it was now). Not getting another pass away to Rob in midfield and instead taking contact could well have been another missed opportunity. These are small things than can be fixed with a bit more game time playing this way. We've got direction though, which is something we seemed to be missing the last few years.

Also worth noting that McGrath was noticeably better than JGP, who I thought showed a fairly weak passing game in his 20 odd minutes out there. Hopefully he'll settle into it over the next few weeks, but as of right now McGrath is definitely our first choice 9.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 11-09-2016 2:44pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Also worth noting that McGrath was noticeably better than JGP, who I thought showed a fairly weak passing game in his 20 odd minutes out there. Hopefully he'll settle into it over the next few weeks, but as of right now McGrath is definitely our first choice 9.

With Reddan and Boss both gone McGrath could well be involved with the Ireland squad this year. I would imagine Leinster knew this when signing JGP. He'll step in during those windows but McGrath will hopefully be the main man.

Cathalthesmart · 11-09-2016 2:50pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Having just watched the game back it was one between 2 fairly evenly matched sides in many ways. We had a 5 minute spell where we took advantage of a Glasgow yellow to get 2 tries. They had a 5 minute spell where they took advantage of a couple of Leinster errors. We got bundled into touch on one opportunity, so did they. On 70 minutes it was a 1 point game so there was nothing in it at all. Two evenly matched teams.

That one moment of class for their last score showed the difference. They were well drilled and we got caught due to a bit of inexperience. And with a little less impact off the bench we couldn't get our way back into it. Lacey didn't help with some really frustrating calls in the last 10, but ultimately we all but measured up to a near full strength Glasgow side in Glasgow while missing around 10 players. I think we were a bit unlucky really not to get the LBP and even had a few opportunities in the second have to get the TBP but small things let us down. A pop from Leavy to Furlong was just a little too low to allow Furlong to move it on to an incoming runner (can't remember who it was now). Not getting another pass away to Rob in midfield and instead taking contact could well have been another missed opportunity. These are small things than can be fixed with a bit more game time playing this way. We've got direction though, which is something we seemed to be missing the last few years.

Also worth noting that McGrath was noticeably better than JGP, who I thought showed a fairly weak passing game in his 20 odd minutes out there. Hopefully he'll settle into it over the next few weeks, but as of right now McGrath is definitely our first choice 9.

Shows that just being Kiwi doesn't automatically make you a better player than an Irish player. Its actually good to see, JGP knows now he won't have it his own way and now will have to really be at his best to knock McGrath off top spot (with McGrath being the captain atm, that won't be easy at all) which will bring the best out of JGP and will give McGrath belief that he is seen as a starter rather than a replacement.

Adbrowne · 11-09-2016 2:51pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

With Reddan and Boss both gone McGrath could well be involved with the Ireland squad this year. I would imagine Leinster knew this when signing JGP. He'll step in during those windows but McGrath will hopefully be the main man.

being named captain a few times shows he is highly thought of

molloyjh · 11-09-2016 2:52pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

With Reddan and Boss both gone McGrath could well be involved with the Ireland squad this year. I would imagine Leinster knew this when signing JGP. He'll step in during those windows but McGrath will hopefully be the main man.

Yeah I can't imagine he was signed to be first choice given his limited game time in SR. He's there to give us a bit of experience at half back when the internationals are away. If McGrath is with Ireland and we didn't get someone in we'd have hugely inexperienced guys at 9 and 10, which is far from ideal.

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