Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

ongarite · 10-09-2016 03:00PM

Migration towards cities worldwide & urbanisation is trend worldwide.
It's a self fulfilling growth cycle.
More people means enough foot-fall for business to open which attracts more people to that city & the cycle repeats.

That Ireland is so small geographically makes Dublin, as the capital, an outlier in the stats.
Galway city has little room for growth geographically due to its surrounding.
Cork & Limerick are probably the 2 other cities that can grow in the next 20 years.

The_Valeyard · 10-09-2016 03:48PM

So what your saying OP,

Is all other counties should supply a child to the Capital to compete in some sort of Hunger Games?

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 03:52PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Actually many people do.

By attracting more jobs across the country you can loosely 'direct' people. Recently, down i Galway it has transpired that many businesses that want to set up in Galway can't find any offices that suit their businesses.

Big failure there on the part of the council and the IDA.

Galway has a county population of at least 250,000 (2011 census) but only 70,000 of those live in the city. The potential of urbanisation is massive.

Galway can't really expand.

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 03:54PM

ongarite wrote: »

Migration towards cities worldwide & urbanisation is trend worldwide.
It's a self fulfilling growth cycle.
More people means enough foot-fall for business to open which attracts more people to that city & the cycle repeats.

That Ireland is so small geographically makes Dublin, as the capital, an outlier in the stats.
Galway city has little room for growth geographically due to its surrounding.
Cork & Limerick are probably the 2 other cities that can grow in the next 20 years.

Possibly Waterford. Also we don't want Cork growing because it's cruel to non-Corkonians who aren't deaf.

As a dub I don't want 2 million people here. There won't be twice as many shops, theatres, pubs or a transport system able to cope.

Mr. FoggPatches · 10-09-2016 03:57PM

Time to buy shares in skinny jeans!

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2016 03:58PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Possibly Waterford. Also we don't want Cork growing because it's cruel to non-Corkonians who aren't deaf.

As a dub I don't want 2 million people here. There won't be twice as many shops, theatres, pubs or a transport system able to cope.

May well be what ultimately slows Dublin down.

wakka12 · 10-09-2016 05:26PM

I don't see how a city developing is a bad thing. If people want to live in Dublin then whats the harm. Forcing people to live elsewhere isn't going to solve whatever problem they think there is here.

wakka12 · 10-09-2016 05:36PM

Would it not be better to turn dublin into a world class city than try to hinder its growth. The many developments occurring all across the city at the moment are simply amazing, is this growth not a good thing to see

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 05:37PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Would it not be better to turn dublin into a world class city than try to hinder its growth. The many developments occurring all across the city at the moment are simply amazing, is this growth not a good thing to see

What developments?

wakka12 · 10-09-2016 05:43PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

What developments?

Luas line connections, College Green Square, Capital Dock, Dublin Landings(originally called Spencer Dock), Dublin Oriental Quarter, redevelopment of Hawkins/Apollo House, New Central Bank, Molesworth Street, RDS redevelopment,Harcourt St. Garda HQ redevelopment, Childrens Science museum.. and a lot more over the next 5 years or so.. isn't it obvious by the sheer amount of skyscrapers all over the city skyline at the moment

Del2005 · 10-09-2016 05:48PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

and risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi3yKrwsoTPAhVImBoKHfowAZcQqQIIJjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fdublin-possibly-the-most-dominant-city-in-developed-world-35037604.html&usg=AFQjCNHkNrMnqL2FdOUYDOBgmviqStDvWg

This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?

A report by country people, using Dublin's money, saying that Dublin is getting too big, yeah right.

In reality Dublin is still too small to complete internationally and needs more investment to attract money and people. Dublin isn't completing for investment against Cork or Galway it's against London, LA, Berlin etc. By making Dublin less it doesn't mean that the jobs will go to Cork it means that Ireland looses jobs.

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 05:53PM

Del2005 wrote: »

A report by country people, using Dublin's money, saying that Dublin is getting too big, yeah right.

In reality Dublin is still too small to complete internationally and needs more investment to attract money and people. Dublin isn't completing for investment against Cork or Galway it's against London, LA, Berlin etc. By making Dublin less it doesn't mean that the jobs will go to Cork it means that Ireland looses jobs.

Indeed, we could've accrued a larger benefit from Brexit, but the city is too small to take more than a small fraction of the firm's who may want to relocate a part of their operations from London - we really should be developing and growing the city and a strategic region (out to Navan, Kells & Dundalk) around it.

Arghus · 10-09-2016 06:26PM

I think it's a worrying trend for the country if ,projecting current trends into the future, Dublin just continues to grow and grow and sucks up all investment, resources and people that's available. So instead of a nation of distinct and alive regions, it'll all just be about the big city and to hell with everywhere else.

InTheTrees · 10-09-2016 06:30PM

Dublin is tiny so its hardly surprising that its growing.

InTheTrees · 10-09-2016 06:37PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Galway can't really expand.

Well there arent that many apartment buildings over four or five floors so there's massive room for expansion upwards. There's huge areas of housing estates that could be cleared to make way for high rise development.

Additionally you only have to look at a map to see the room for expansion outwards. The Urban sprawl could well extend all the way up to lough corrib and east to oranmore.

pickarooney · 10-09-2016 06:45PM

If the population grows at a consistent 100% then it will always be dubblin.

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 06:46PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Indeed, we could've accrued a larger benefit from Brexit, but the city is too small to take more than a small fraction of the firm's who may want to relocate a part of their operations from London - we really should be developing and growing the city and a strategic region (out to Navan, Kells & Dundalk) around it.

Sounds like a hell hole.

I dispute that companies seek large cities. They seek better cities. Maybe that should be the emphasis.

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 06:48PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Luas line connections, College Green Square, Capital Dock, Dublin Landings(originally called Spencer Dock), Dublin Oriental Quarter, redevelopment of Hawkins/Apollo House, New Central Bank, Molesworth Street, RDS redevelopment,Harcourt St. Garda HQ redevelopment, Childrens Science museum.. and a lot more over the next 5 years or so.. isn't it obvious by the sheer amount of skyscrapers all over the city skyline at the moment

That's one minor change to transport and some buildings being re-developed.

wakka12 · 10-09-2016 08:02PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

That's one minor change to transport and some buildings being re-developed.

A number of large social and cultural developments as well. And 'some buildings' , buildings make up a city. I don't see how these developments arent important as they will house all kinds of services from housing to office to retail. What are you expecting? Whats a big development to you?

LordSutch · 10-09-2016 08:41PM

I guess what the report is really saying is that Dublin is one of the most dominant cities (within its own borders) in the developed world...

So Dublin is totally dominant within Ireland.

No surprise there.

LordSutch · 10-09-2016 08:47PM

Yes indeed, but its not a dominant City on the world stage.

silverharp · 10-09-2016 08:48PM

Denmark is similar and nobody complains. Small countries have one chance to have a gateway city

Charles Babbage · 10-09-2016 08:51PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtbOUu4TPAhXGXRoKHQakBZAQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fdublin-s-dominance-of-state-near-unique-in-western-world-1.2786068&usg=AFQjCNFKDXOixDWK7lLhHKo5vJSe8bes9g Outside of city states like Singapore I think this is possibly unique, said Mr Hogan.

He said he had analysed comparable small countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Scotland and in every single case they have twice as many cities as we do at the levels below Dublin .

I suspect he is comparing these countries with the Irish state and not the country. Partition has aggravated this imbalance, and in particular Derry does not have the role it should have as a substantial centre away from Dublin.

stacybeauchamp · 10-09-2016 08:54PM

as david mcwilliams done argued in recent article, dublin needs ta go tall. there is absolutely naw reason that there ay know av as ta why this here is nahwt possible.

stacybeauchamp · 10-09-2016 08:59PM

One possible solution is a tax equalisation strategy. We need to incentivize a more balanced population growth throughout the country. We could do this through taxation. the higher rate of tax country be increased to 60-65% in Dublin, as well as in other congested urban settings.

Those who live in more sparse areas pay 10-20 percent tax. This system could work because people would move and could still commute.

Dyr · 10-09-2016 09:01PM

And we'll still get feck all of the infrastructure dublin needs built because of red faced culchie envy

stacybeauchamp · 10-09-2016 09:06PM

We could also give tax incentives for people to sell their house once they have retired. We could have a retirement county like they have in the US.

For example, we hit those who stay in their homes with progressively higher taxes every year they they in their homes after age 65 - say 2-3 percent a year.

We also exempt them from inheritance tax so they can transfer assets while they are still alive.

jd · 10-09-2016 09:30PM

stacybeauchamp wrote:

Those who live in more sparse areas pay 10-20 percent tax. This system could work because people would move and could still commute.

There is a net transfer as it is from Dublin, Cork and a couple of cities to the rest of the country. It costs more to provide services in rural areas so we should not be incentivising it.
The root of the problem is that maybe two or three other cities should have been targeted for growth. This was what was suggested in the Buchanan Report 50 years or so ago. It was binned, not because the Dubs opposed it, but because of political opposition from areas not to be targeted. Dublin then grew to its current dominant extent by default.

10-09-2016 09:50PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A good news story for change.

More people in Dublin = more taxpayers to subsidise our extravagant culchie lifestyles.

More people in Dublin = the more TDs representing them in the Dáil. This will help negate the power parish pump politicians have in politics and then we can begin cutting off rural subsidies. We'll see how extravagant your lifestyle is when you can no longer afford to pay your bills. You'll have to give up getting drunk with your dog on weekdays.

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 09:57PM

stacybeauchamp wrote: »

One possible solution is a tax equalisation strategy. We need to incentivize a more balanced population growth throughout the country. We could do this through taxation. the higher rate of tax country be increased to 60-65% in Dublin, as well as in other congested urban settings.

Those who live in more sparse areas pay 10-20 percent tax. This system could work because people would move and could still commute.

We have, it's called the property tax - a house in Dublin attracts a higher level because it's generally more valuable than an equivalent sized one outside the Pale.

Apart from hippies, crusties, 'trad' musicians and foodies, not many want to live in the bogs. And trying to force them won't work.

Too much of this outside the M50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po

Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

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