Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

The flying mouse

and risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi3yKrwsoTPAhVImBoKHfowAZcQqQIIJjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fdublin-possibly-the-most-dominant-city-in-developed-world-35037604.html&usg=AFQjCNHkNrMnqL2FdOUYDOBgmviqStDvWg


This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?

Jawgap

Yeah.

So?

Barry Badrinath

Kill it, before it gets stronger and kills us all!!!..

Aaaaahhhhhhh

Allinall

So long as they keep winning All Ireland's , who cares?

Jawgap

About to be a bit more dominant in about 8 days

silverharp

never been to Iceland then ?

Harvey Normal

silverharp wrote: »

never been to Iceland then ?

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Who gives a toss. It's as much a sign of Dublin's prosperity as anything. There aren't many countries of Ireland's size that have a city as important or influential internationally as Dublin is becoming. It is a huge asset to the island.

frag420

silverharp wrote: »

never been to Iceland then ?

I think you will find that Tesco is more dominant than Iceland.

The Backwards Man

A good news story for change.


More people in Dublin = more taxpayers to subsidise our extravagant culchie lifestyles.

The flying mouse

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah.

So?

What you mean yea so ?

Do you think its good for the Island of Ireland to just have all its population, economy centred to the downtrodden of the rest ?

I don't mind us being dominant in Gaa but come on

Jawgap

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

super_furry

You're welcome.

Jawgap

The flying mouse wrote: »

What you mean yea so ?

Do you think its good for the Island of Ireland to just have all its population, economy centred to the downtrodden of the rest ?

I don't mind us being dominant in Gaa but come on

Probably not, but it's good for Dublin and that's where I'm from and where I work

Anyway, isn't Cork the real capital

Harvey Normal

Jawgap wrote: »

Probably not, but it's good for Dublin and that's where I'm from and where I work

Anyway, isn't Cork the real capital

Why is it good for us? Do we want to have the suburbs in Kildare?

Harvey Normal

Jawgap wrote: »

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

People (/labour) follows capital. Many people here would prefer to be down the country. Or in Poland.

Amenities per capita are about the same as Cork probably.

Jawgap

Harvey Normal wrote: »

People (/labour) follows capital. Many people here would prefer to be down the country. Or in Poland.

Amenities per capita are about the same as Cork probably.

People also make decisions where to spend their capital - business owners/execs are reluctant to spend outside the capital because they want to be close to decent facilities and what few good transport connections the country has.

Autonomous Cowherd

Probably the only way to decentralise...which I think is a good idea, better living conditions for everyone...is to have super-duper train connectivity. We are a very small place and our train services are slow, under-funded, under-utilised, not to mention the awful jacks in them. It would be great to have some kind of cool futuristic train service that glided us quickly, quietly, comfortably, happily to all the amazing corners of this amazing island. My dream for the day

bobbysands81

Dublin people already pay huge subsidies to the rest of the country, this will help even more.

The flying mouse

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtbOUu4TPAhXGXRoKHQakBZAQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fdublin-s-dominance-of-state-near-unique-in-western-world-1.2786068&usg=AFQjCNFKDXOixDWK7lLhHKo5vJSe8bes9g“Outside of city states like Singapore I think this is possibly unique,” said Mr Hogan.

He said he had analysed comparable small countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Scotland and “in every single case they have twice as many cities as we do at the levels below Dublin”.

Population growth over the past decade alone has produced the equivalent of a Galway city every year, and trends suggest that this will accelerate over the next 30 years to 6.5 million.

This year’s preliminary Census figures show a population drop in three western counties – Donegal, Mayo and Sligo – when overall numbers on the island are increasing.

The southeast has “lost the most ground” and had been in recession since 2003, he said. The midwest is “troubling”, and both Waterford and Limerick are the two cities that had “consistently underperformed” in relation to their size.

From Irish Times.

I am a Dub but I wouldn't like Dublin to be getting stronger and bigger if its draining the rest of the country, Irelands a small beautiful place and it wouldn't be nice to have it turn into a a safari park once you get 60/70km out side of the capital :cool:

suicide_circus

Decades of no planning and politics based around potholes and funeral attendance. We did it to ourselves.

silverharp

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

most of the population of Iceland live in one city....thats the joke :pac:

Son Of A Vidic

The flying mouse wrote: »

So AH what your opinions ?

Nuke Dublin.

mikhail

The flying mouse wrote: »

I am a Dub but I wouldn't like Dublin to be getting stronger and bigger if its draining the rest of the country, Irelands a small beautiful place and it wouldn't be nice to have it turn into a a safari park once you get 60/70km out side of the capital :cool:

Why? Why on earth is a bungalow every hundred feet a good thing?

_Kaiser_

Mega-City Dub

diomed

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

Autonomous Cowherd

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

You just want a Wall now because it's fashionable.

Jawgap

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

We're gonna a build a wall and the boggers are going to pay for it!

Paramite Pie

Jawgap wrote: »

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

Actually many people do.

By attracting more jobs across the country you can loosely 'direct' people. Recently, down i Galway it has transpired that many businesses that want to set up in Galway can't find any offices that suit their businesses.

Big failure there on the part of the council and the IDA.

Galway has a county population of at least 250,000 (2011 census) but only 70,000 of those live in the city. The potential of urbanisation is massive.

Noveight

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

Sure didn't we build the m50 to keep ye all in? :P

Harry Palmr

The flying mouse wrote: »

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtbOUu4TPAhXGXRoKHQakBZAQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fdublin-s-dominance-of-state-near-unique-in-western-world-1.2786068&usg=AFQjCNFKDXOixDWK7lLhHKo5vJSe8bes9g“Outside of city states like Singapore I think this is possibly unique,” said Mr Hogan.

He said he had analysed comparable small countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Scotland and “in every single case they have twice as many cities as we do at the levels below Dublin”.

Population growth over the past decade alone has produced the equivalent of a Galway city every year, and trends suggest that this will accelerate over the next 30 years to 6.5 million.

This year’s preliminary Census figures show a population drop in three western counties – Donegal, Mayo and Sligo – when overall numbers on the island are increasing.

The southeast has “lost the most ground” and had been in recession since 2003, he said. The midwest is “troubling”, and both Waterford and Limerick are the two cities that had “consistently underperformed” in relation to their size.

From Irish Times.

This has been obvious since the state was founded and no government has worked out how to counteract the gravitational effect of the capital. More makes more and the rest of us are left behind to a greater or lesser degree.

Waterford's population has gone from 30% bigger than Galway to 30% smaller in the last 40 years. One has a university and a more or less permanent seat at the cabinet table.

ongarite

Migration towards cities worldwide & urbanisation is trend worldwide.
It's a self fulfilling growth cycle.
More people means enough foot-fall for business to open which attracts more people to that city & the cycle repeats.

That Ireland is so small geographically makes Dublin, as the capital, an outlier in the stats.
Galway city has little room for growth geographically due to its surrounding.
Cork & Limerick are probably the 2 other cities that can grow in the next 20 years.

The_Valeyard

So what your saying OP,

Is all other counties should supply a child to the Capital to compete in some sort of Hunger Games?

Harvey Normal

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Actually many people do.

By attracting more jobs across the country you can loosely 'direct' people. Recently, down i Galway it has transpired that many businesses that want to set up in Galway can't find any offices that suit their businesses.

Big failure there on the part of the council and the IDA.

Galway has a county population of at least 250,000 (2011 census) but only 70,000 of those live in the city. The potential of urbanisation is massive.

Galway can't really expand.

Harvey Normal

ongarite wrote: »

Migration towards cities worldwide & urbanisation is trend worldwide.
It's a self fulfilling growth cycle.
More people means enough foot-fall for business to open which attracts more people to that city & the cycle repeats.

That Ireland is so small geographically makes Dublin, as the capital, an outlier in the stats.
Galway city has little room for growth geographically due to its surrounding.
Cork & Limerick are probably the 2 other cities that can grow in the next 20 years.

Possibly Waterford. Also we don't want Cork growing because it's cruel to non-Corkonians who aren't deaf.

As a dub I don't want 2 million people here. There won't be twice as many shops, theatres, pubs or a transport system able to cope.

Mr. FoggPatches

Time to buy shares in skinny jeans!

Harry Palmr

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Possibly Waterford. Also we don't want Cork growing because it's cruel to non-Corkonians who aren't deaf.

As a dub I don't want 2 million people here. There won't be twice as many shops, theatres, pubs or a transport system able to cope.

May well be what ultimately slows Dublin down.

wakka12

I don't see how a city developing is a bad thing. If people want to live in Dublin then whats the harm. Forcing people to live elsewhere isn't going to solve whatever problem they think there is here.

wakka12

Would it not be better to turn dublin into a world class city than try to hinder its growth. The many developments occurring all across the city at the moment are simply amazing, is this growth not a good thing to see

Harvey Normal

wakka12 wrote: »

Would it not be better to turn dublin into a world class city than try to hinder its growth. The many developments occurring all across the city at the moment are simply amazing, is this growth not a good thing to see

What developments?

wakka12

Harvey Normal wrote: »

What developments?

Luas line connections, College Green Square, Capital Dock, Dublin Landings(originally called Spencer Dock), Dublin Oriental Quarter, redevelopment of Hawkins/Apollo House, New Central Bank, Molesworth Street, RDS redevelopment,Harcourt St. Garda HQ redevelopment, Childrens Science museum.. and a lot more over the next 5 years or so.. isn't it obvious by the sheer amount of skyscrapers all over the city skyline at the moment

Del2005

The flying mouse wrote: »

and risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi3yKrwsoTPAhVImBoKHfowAZcQqQIIJjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fdublin-possibly-the-most-dominant-city-in-developed-world-35037604.html&usg=AFQjCNHkNrMnqL2FdOUYDOBgmviqStDvWg


This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?

A report by country people, using Dublin's money, saying that Dublin is getting too big, yeah right.

In reality Dublin is still too small to complete internationally and needs more investment to attract money and people. Dublin isn't completing for investment against Cork or Galway it's against London, LA, Berlin etc. By making Dublin less it doesn't mean that the jobs will go to Cork it means that Ireland looses jobs.

Jawgap

Del2005 wrote: »

A report by country people, using Dublin's money, saying that Dublin is getting too big, yeah right.

In reality Dublin is still too small to complete internationally and needs more investment to attract money and people. Dublin isn't completing for investment against Cork or Galway it's against London, LA, Berlin etc. By making Dublin less it doesn't mean that the jobs will go to Cork it means that Ireland looses jobs.

Indeed, we could've accrued a larger benefit from Brexit, but the city is too small to take more than a small fraction of the firm's who may want to relocate a part of their operations from London - we really should be developing and growing the city and a strategic region (out to Navan, Kells & Dundalk) around it.

Arghus

I think it's a worrying trend for the country if ,projecting current trends into the future, Dublin just continues to grow and grow and sucks up all investment, resources and people that's available. So instead of a nation of distinct and alive regions, it'll all just be about the big city and to hell with everywhere else.

InTheTrees

Dublin is tiny so its hardly surprising that its growing.

InTheTrees

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Galway can't really expand.

Well there arent that many apartment buildings over four or five floors so there's massive room for expansion upwards. There's huge areas of housing estates that could be cleared to make way for high rise development.

Additionally you only have to look at a map to see the room for expansion outwards. The Urban sprawl could well extend all the way up to lough corrib and east to oranmore.

pickarooney

If the population grows at a consistent 100% then it will always be dubblin.

Harvey Normal

Jawgap wrote: »

Indeed, we could've accrued a larger benefit from Brexit, but the city is too small to take more than a small fraction of the firm's who may want to relocate a part of their operations from London - we really should be developing and growing the city and a strategic region (out to Navan, Kells & Dundalk) around it.

Sounds like a hell hole.

I dispute that companies seek large cities. They seek better cities. Maybe that should be the emphasis.

Harvey Normal

wakka12 wrote: »

Luas line connections, College Green Square, Capital Dock, Dublin Landings(originally called Spencer Dock), Dublin Oriental Quarter, redevelopment of Hawkins/Apollo House, New Central Bank, Molesworth Street, RDS redevelopment,Harcourt St. Garda HQ redevelopment, Childrens Science museum.. and a lot more over the next 5 years or so.. isn't it obvious by the sheer amount of skyscrapers all over the city skyline at the moment

That's one minor change to transport and some buildings being re-developed.

wakka12

Harvey Normal wrote: »

That's one minor change to transport and some buildings being re-developed.

A number of large social and cultural developments as well. And 'some buildings' , buildings make up a city. I don't see how these developments arent important as they will house all kinds of services from housing to office to retail. What are you expecting? Whats a big development to you?

LordSutch

I guess what the report is really saying is that Dublin is one of the most dominant cities (within its own borders) in the developed world...

So Dublin is totally dominant within Ireland.

No surprise there.