Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

The flying mouse · 10-09-2016 09:48AM #1

and risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi3yKrwsoTPAhVImBoKHfowAZcQqQIIJjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fdublin-possibly-the-most-dominant-city-in-developed-world-35037604.html&usg=AFQjCNHkNrMnqL2FdOUYDOBgmviqStDvWg

This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 09:54AM

Yeah.

So?

Barry Badrinath · 10-09-2016 09:55AM

Kill it, before it gets stronger and kills us all!!!..

Aaaaahhhhhhh

Allinall · 10-09-2016 09:55AM

So long as they keep winning All Ireland's , who cares?

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 09:56AM

About to be a bit more dominant in about 8 days

silverharp · 10-09-2016 10:02AM

never been to Iceland then ?

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 10:04AM

silverharp wrote: »

never been to Iceland then ?

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 10-09-2016 10:06AM

Who gives a toss. It's as much a sign of Dublin's prosperity as anything. There aren't many countries of Ireland's size that have a city as important or influential internationally as Dublin is becoming. It is a huge asset to the island.

frag420 · 10-09-2016 10:06AM

silverharp wrote: »

never been to Iceland then ?

I think you will find that Tesco is more dominant than Iceland.

The Backwards Man · 10-09-2016 10:07AM

A good news story for change.

More people in Dublin = more taxpayers to subsidise our extravagant culchie lifestyles.

The flying mouse · 10-09-2016 10:07AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah.

So?

What you mean yea so ?

Do you think its good for the Island of Ireland to just have all its population, economy centred to the downtrodden of the rest ?

I don't mind us being dominant in Gaa but come on

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 10:07AM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

super_furry · 10-09-2016 10:07AM

You're welcome.

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 10:08AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

What you mean yea so ?

Do you think its good for the Island of Ireland to just have all its population, economy centred to the downtrodden of the rest ?

I don't mind us being dominant in Gaa but come on

Probably not, but it's good for Dublin and that's where I'm from and where I work

Anyway, isn't Cork the real capital

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 10:09AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Probably not, but it's good for Dublin and that's where I'm from and where I work

Anyway, isn't Cork the real capital

Why is it good for us? Do we want to have the suburbs in Kildare?

Harvey Normal · 10-09-2016 10:11AM

Jawgap wrote: »

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

People (/labour) follows capital. Many people here would prefer to be down the country. Or in Poland.

Amenities per capita are about the same as Cork probably.

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 10:14AM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

People (/labour) follows capital. Many people here would prefer to be down the country. Or in Poland.

Amenities per capita are about the same as Cork probably.

People also make decisions where to spend their capital - business owners/execs are reluctant to spend outside the capital because they want to be close to decent facilities and what few good transport connections the country has.

Autonomous Cowherd · 10-09-2016 10:29AM

Probably the only way to decentralise...which I think is a good idea, better living conditions for everyone...is to have super-duper train connectivity. We are a very small place and our train services are slow, under-funded, under-utilised, not to mention the awful jacks in them. It would be great to have some kind of cool futuristic train service that glided us quickly, quietly, comfortably, happily to all the amazing corners of this amazing island. My dream for the day

bobbysands81 · 10-09-2016 10:30AM

Dublin people already pay huge subsidies to the rest of the country, this will help even more.

The flying mouse · 10-09-2016 10:30AM

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtbOUu4TPAhXGXRoKHQakBZAQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fdublin-s-dominance-of-state-near-unique-in-western-world-1.2786068&usg=AFQjCNFKDXOixDWK7lLhHKo5vJSe8bes9g“Outside of city states like Singapore I think this is possibly unique,” said Mr Hogan.

He said he had analysed comparable small countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Scotland and “in every single case they have twice as many cities as we do at the levels below Dublin”.

Population growth over the past decade alone has produced the equivalent of a Galway city every year, and trends suggest that this will accelerate over the next 30 years to 6.5 million.

This year’s preliminary Census figures show a population drop in three western counties – Donegal, Mayo and Sligo – when overall numbers on the island are increasing.

The southeast has “lost the most ground” and had been in recession since 2003, he said. The midwest is “troubling”, and both Waterford and Limerick are the two cities that had “consistently underperformed” in relation to their size.

From Irish Times.

I am a Dub but I wouldn't like Dublin to be getting stronger and bigger if its draining the rest of the country, Irelands a small beautiful place and it wouldn't be nice to have it turn into a a safari park once you get 60/70km out side of the capital

:cool:

suicide_circus · 10-09-2016 10:35AM

Decades of no planning and politics based around potholes and funeral attendance. We did it to ourselves.

silverharp · 10-09-2016 11:36AM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Maybe the OP has been to Iceland. Odd question.

My feeling is that it would be better for Dublin if future growth were directed elsewhere. I don't think Galway has the capacity though.

most of the population of Iceland live in one city....thats the joke :pac:

Son Of A Vidic · 10-09-2016 11:41AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

So AH what your opinions ?

Nuke Dublin.

mikhail · 10-09-2016 11:47AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

I am a Dub but I wouldn't like Dublin to be getting stronger and bigger if its draining the rest of the country, Irelands a small beautiful place and it wouldn't be nice to have it turn into a a safari park once you get 60/70km out side of the capital :cool:

Why? Why on earth is a bungalow every hundred feet a good thing?

_Kaiser_ · 10-09-2016 11:50AM

Mega-City Dub

diomed · 10-09-2016 12:17PM

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

Autonomous Cowherd · 10-09-2016 12:23PM

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

You just want a Wall now because it's fashionable.

Jawgap · 10-09-2016 12:26PM

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

We're gonna a build a wall and the boggers are going to pay for it!

Paramite Pie · 10-09-2016 02:03PM

Jawgap wrote: »

But people don't want to live elsewhere.....the "trouble" is people like big cities with lots of amenities, which draws people in, making them bigger etc.

Dublin is the largest city on the island and you can't 'direct' people not to live there.

Actually many people do.

By attracting more jobs across the country you can loosely 'direct' people. Recently, down i Galway it has transpired that many businesses that want to set up in Galway can't find any offices that suit their businesses.

Big failure there on the part of the council and the IDA.

Galway has a county population of at least 250,000 (2011 census) but only 70,000 of those live in the city. The potential of urbanisation is massive.

Noveight · 10-09-2016 02:35PM

diomed wrote: »

Can we apply to the EU for a grant to rebuild the Pale and keep the culchies out?

Sure didn't we build the m50 to keep ye all in? :P

Harry Palmr · 10-09-2016 02:52PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtbOUu4TPAhXGXRoKHQakBZAQFggqMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fdublin-s-dominance-of-state-near-unique-in-western-world-1.2786068&usg=AFQjCNFKDXOixDWK7lLhHKo5vJSe8bes9g“Outside of city states like Singapore I think this is possibly unique,” said Mr Hogan.

He said he had analysed comparable small countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Scotland and “in every single case they have twice as many cities as we do at the levels below Dublin”.

Population growth over the past decade alone has produced the equivalent of a Galway city every year, and trends suggest that this will accelerate over the next 30 years to 6.5 million.

This year’s preliminary Census figures show a population drop in three western counties – Donegal, Mayo and Sligo – when overall numbers on the island are increasing.

The southeast has “lost the most ground” and had been in recession since 2003, he said. The midwest is “troubling”, and both Waterford and Limerick are the two cities that had “consistently underperformed” in relation to their size.

From Irish Times.

This has been obvious since the state was founded and no government has worked out how to counteract the gravitational effect of the capital. More makes more and the rest of us are left behind to a greater or lesser degree.

Waterford's population has gone from 30% bigger than Galway to 30% smaller in the last 40 years. One has a university and a more or less permanent seat at the cabinet table.

Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

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