Do you really hate anybody..if so whom

buried · 10-09-2016 12:14AM

Its funny, I was at a function last week and there was a lot of politicians at this thing, the same A-list politicians that would be in the Dáil roaring and tearing strips off each other for the cameras, pure enemies any other day of the year. But at this thing last week a lot of them here they all were, guzzling down the free food and drink, slapping themselves on the back, smiling and laughing. Got me thinking, all these politicians have their supporters tearing strips off each other, almost "hating" each other in political forums both online and in the real world, and here these same politicians are guzzling down the free porter and food, laughing along with each other before the next showcase season of divide and conquer bull$hit begins. It was fascinating watching these guys as a outsider in their actual habitat where they can let loose and relax , whereas the fake habitat where these people do their so-called "work" is presented as "hating" each other. All bull$hit. And last weekend I saw it.

Ghetofarmulous · 10-09-2016 12:21AM

Candie wrote: »

Hate only hurts the hater. If someone has wronged you so much that you hate them, you're still allowing them to hurt you. Much better to just feel nothing for them and move on with your life.

I've known hateful people, but I don't hate anyone.

Best post all day.

Iv never felt the capacity to hate anybody. Iv worked with unscrupulous characters and seen a managing director get fired for fraud and bullying. Myself and my co workers suffered immensely but in the end we stood up for ourselves.

I don't hate him, I pity his family who have to deal with the outfall.

Mildred Pierce · 10-09-2016 12:28AM

My Father.

10-09-2016 12:34AM

Speedwell wrote: »

Yeah, everyone who claims they don't feel hatred is either an emotional cripple or the sort of person who doesn't admit to playing with their own naughty bits because Jesus.

That's a pretty unfair thing to say.

I'm not religious, I'm not an emotional cripple, I've had plenty of hurt. Letting go of hate isn't easy, but it does liberate you from keeping the wounds alive.

10-09-2016 12:41AM

Drop the hate......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_LKkXH4W4

Tasden · 10-09-2016 12:42AM

Candie wrote: »

That's a pretty unfair thing to say.

I'm not religious, I'm not an emotional cripple, I've had plenty of hurt. Letting go of hate isn't easy, but it does liberate you from keeping the wounds alive.

But can you actually control that? You can control how you react to the hate but can you actually control how you feel about someone?

Tom_Barry · 10-09-2016 12:42AM

I'm an absolute nightmare when it comes to hatred. Someone could do something awful on me and I'd hate them passionately for a while, but it just subdues and I end up not caring anymore. I wish I could hold grudges:eek:

buried · 10-09-2016 12:44AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes! Class tune

Speedwell · 10-09-2016 12:45AM

Candie wrote: »

That's a pretty unfair thing to say.

I'm not religious, I'm not an emotional cripple, I've had plenty of hurt. Letting go of hate isn't easy, but it does liberate you from keeping the wounds alive.

No, I don't disagree with you. Letting go of hate means you have to admit to yourself that you have hatred first, just like getting over grief or anger or a panic attack means you have to first acknowledge that you are undergoing grief or anger or severe anxiety. Not being a hateful person means that you have to learn to recognise hatred and deal with it properly, and understand that it's the right response to something that deserves your hatred and not something to beat yourself up for feeling. A lot of psychology deals with telling people that things that they thought were hateful really aren't, by the way, since being a child is hard and you internalise a lot of self-hatred just because you are small and can't do things. So you have to learn to manage hatred in a mature, thoughtful way, just like you learn to manage your anger and the things you say.

But, you know, we are taught that good people don't hate. Of course good people hate. If someone didn't hate things like child molestation, war for profit, and stealing from someone who trusts you, for example, we would hardly consider that person good. I'm sick and tired of having to pretend I don't feel appropriate hatred, or having to dumb it down with the mealy-mouthed word "dislike", because the fact that hatred is an emotion presumably offends "gentle Jesus meek and mild". You might not be religious, but that pernicious idea that "good people don't feel hatred" is a toxic idea right out of one or another of Paul's letters.

The Specialist · 10-09-2016 12:47AM

I don't think I particularly hate anyone, but I do have people I dislike to such an extent I'd laugh at their obituaries. Is it the same thing?

Speedwell · 10-09-2016 12:49AM

The Specialist wrote: »

I don't think I particularly hate anyone, but I do have people I dislike to such an extent I'd laugh at their obituaries. Is it the same thing?

Honestly? Yes, it is.

10-09-2016 12:51AM

Speedwell wrote: »

No, I don't disagree with you. Letting go of hate means you have to admit to yourself that you have hatred first, just like getting over grief or anger or a panic attack means you have to first acknowledge that you are undergoing grief or anger or severe anxiety. Not being a hateful person means that you have to learn to recognise hatred and deal with it properly, and understand that it's the right response to something that deserves your hatred and not something to beat yourself up for feeling. A lot of psychology deals with telling people that things that they thought were hateful really aren't, by the way, since being a child is hard and you internalise a lot of self-hatred just because you are small and can't do things. So you have to learn to manage hatred in a mature, thoughtful way, just like you learn to manage your anger and the things you say.

But, you know, we are taught that good people don't hate. Of course good people hate. If someone didn't hate things like child molestation, war for profit, and stealing from someone who trusts you, for example, we would hardly consider that person good. I'm sick and tired of having to pretend I don't feel appropriate hatred, or having to dumb it down with the mealy-mouthed word "dislike", because the fact that hatred is an emotion presumably offends "gentle Jesus meek and mild". You might not be religious, but that pernicious idea that "good people don't feel hatred" is a toxic idea right out of one or another of Paul's letters.

Hate all you want for all the appropriate reasons that you want, and I won't call you hateful or tell you you're bitter or a worse person or any other judgement. I don't know your life, or how you manage your emotions, and I accept you do it in a way that works and is right for you.

I expect the same consideration. If I can say I don't hate, I won't accept someone deciding that this means I am an emotional cripple, or too stupid to realise that I'm in subconscious thrall to some religious diktat, and that you have a better insight to my own emotions than I have.

Speedwell · 10-09-2016 12:53AM

Candie wrote: »

Hate all you want for all the appropriate reasons that you want, and I won't call you hateful or tell you you're bitter or a worse person or any other judgement. I don't know your life, or how you manage your emotions, and I accept you do it in a way that works and is right for you.

Do you see and understand, after re-reading that bit, that calling me hateful, bitter, inferior, and incapable of properly managing my life is exactly what you just did? That's what they call "passive-aggressive".

I expect the same consideration. If I can say I don't hate, I won't accept someone deciding that this means I am an emotional cripple, or too stupid to realise that I'm in subconscious thrall to some religious diktat, and that you have a better insight to my own emotions than I have.

I actually do have a better insight, because I have overcome the acculturated obligation to deny that I feel something that everyone feels.

10-09-2016 12:56AM

Speedwell wrote: »

Do you see and understand, after re-reading that bit, that calling me hateful, bitter, inferior, and incapable of properly managing my life is exactly what you just did?

You misunderstand what I was saying.

I didn't call you those things, I said I wouldn't call you those things, because you are better able to decide who you are and how you feel than I am. I do not presume to know you better than you do yourself. I know what passive aggressiveness is, and you are misreading the tone.

I actually do have a better insight, because I have overcome the acculturated obligation to deny that I feel something that everyone feels.

I'm afraid you do not know me better than I know myself.

Speedwell · 10-09-2016 12:57AM

Candie wrote: »

You misunderstand what I was saying.

I didn't call you those things, I said I wouldn't call you those things, because you are better able to decide who you are and how you feel than I am. I do not presume to know you better than you do yourself.

I'm afraid you do not know me better than I know myself.

Yeah, I'm not going to help you be dishonest with yourself about emotions and how they work, or pretend that using words in the way you did means something other than what you meant.

10-09-2016 01:01AM

Speedwell wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not going to help you be dishonest with yourself about emotions and how they work.

We don't know each other outside of text on a screen, and it's both insulting and patronising to insist you have some superior insight into my emotional health because I don't share your personal view on the nature of hate, and how it's maturely managed.

Speedwell · 10-09-2016 01:02AM

Candie wrote: »

We don't know each other outside of text on a screen, and it's both insulting and patronising to insist you have some superior insight into my emotional health because I don't share your personal view on the nature of hate, and how it's maturely managed.

I'm sorry you feel insulted. But I think you need to examine how you use the "I'm not saying you're bitter etc. but I am totally using those words at you" tactic.

10-09-2016 01:09AM

Speedwell wrote: »

I'm sorry you feel insulted. But I think you need to examine how you use the "I'm not saying you're bitter etc. but I am totally using those words at you" tactic.

Speedwell, I explained the intention. You obviously don't believe me, and I wont try to convince you but I thought it was clear. You misread the tone, but that's text for you.

You made some harsh and insulting generalizations, referring to people as emotional cripples and making other assumptions is completely uncalled for.

I won't derail the thread by responding to you again.

MadDog76 · 10-09-2016 01:11AM

Anybody that I've ever hated is now dead.

Estrellita · 10-09-2016 01:24AM

I don't hate anyone, but I think my feelings and views have changed as I got older. In the past I might have wasted time and energy feeling disgruntled about someone doing me some wrong or other. Now, I wouldn't give anyone the satisfaction of getting het up about them.

The simplest and most cleansing thing you can do if someone bothers you that much, is to cut them completely out of your life and never look back.

Junkyard Tom · 10-09-2016 01:26AM

Kevin.

RayM · 10-09-2016 02:08AM

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Although,there's a fair few I dislike,others I can't fcukin stand and those I just wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

I wouldn't piss on anyone if they were on fire. I think using bodily fluids to extinguish a burning person would be inadequate and frankly disrespectful. It's bad enough that they might die from their injuries; I wouldn't want someone's last seconds on this earth to be spent watching me standing over them with the old chap in my hand, spraying them with the warmed-up contents of my bladder.

I think it makes much more sense to smother the flames with a wet towel, or roll the victim on the ground, and then dial 999, keeping them as comfortable as possible until the emergency services arrive.

The Backwards Man · 10-09-2016 02:23AM

They might be being electrocuted and you could end up frying your knob off.

I don't hate anybody, it's a waste of time, brainwaves and energy. Put your time wallowing in hatred to better use instead, like getting one over on the bastards.

mdwexford · 10-09-2016 02:48AM

Shia Lebeouf.

Robsweezie · 10-09-2016 03:32AM

Holding a grudge is letting someone live rent free inside your head

Junkyard Tom · 10-09-2016 03:39AM

Now I've got a cousin called Kevin
He's sure to go to heaven
Always spotless clean and neat
The smoothest you can get them
He's got a fur lined sheepskin jacket
My ma said they cost a packet
She won't even let me explain
That me and Kevin were just not the same

foggy_lad · 10-09-2016 04:23AM

Thank this post if you hate me:eek:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 10-09-2016 04:46AM

I don't hate anybody.

I was mislead in my formative years by strong leftists and once I became aware of the deception I disliked them for denying human nature and for practicing the "bigotry of low expectations."

The same thing that the Democrat Party do to this day. It really angers me how they manipulate minorities without out ever actively seeking to improve their situations.

I'd view myself these days as a conservative but I massively respect classical liberals like Dave Rubin. I like straight shooters, people who tell the truth.

Classical Liberalism and Conservatism have become quite close in recent years as the regressive left have sullied the term 'liberal'.

BuilderPlumber · 10-09-2016 04:58AM

There are people/organisations/things I hate and then others I dislike to varying degrees:

Hate: ISIS, al Qaeda, the Khmer Rouge, Nazis and neo-Nazis, Irish criminals who murder, rob or rape (inclusive of a certain teacher from a county that borders Leitrim, Longford and Meath and a certain architect from a county that borders Kerry, Limerick and Tipperary - the more 'privileged' these are, the worse they are imo as these don't have an excuse for the evil they do and should know better), War-mongering politicians who spout hatred from any country, imperialists.

Dislike strongly: Most Irish politicians, most modern Irish country music, Donald Trump (he is not a politician yet so I don't hate him!), a lot of people in the Irish media, most forms of reality TV.

B.A._Baracus · 10-09-2016 05:19AM

RayM wrote: »

I wouldn't piss on anyone if they were on fire. I think using bodily fluids to extinguish a burning person would be inadequate and frankly disrespectful. It's bad enough that they might die from their injuries; I wouldn't want someone's last seconds on this earth to be spent watching me standing over them with the old chap in my hand, spraying them with the warmed-up contents of my bladder.

I think it makes much more sense to smother the flames with a wet towel, or roll the victim on the ground, and then dial 999, keeping them as comfortable as possible until the emergency services arrive.

Guys please tell me the above is a joke?
I read it and started to laugh while waiting for the punchline but there wasn't any. Am actually starting to think ol' Ray here meant was he said.

Do you really hate anybody..if so whom

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