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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Firedance wrote: »
    Eh last year was wet!! I got soaked cheer leading, I'm hoping for 2014 conditions this year :p:p

    I still question it, I never saw you! Then again, I never really do see you when you're out cheerleading :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    Mrs Mc wrote: »
    If you miss miles during the week you shouldn't be trying to make them up just write it off and move to the next day.

    It was just the fact I missed out on 7 miles with the midweek runs, I felt I had another 3 in the tank to spare last night so I went for it.
    It worked, but I hear you. Ideally I'll be able to stick closer to the plan from here on out. The main thing is to get to the start line in good condition, any run I do that's the priority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Very poor week for me, all was going to plan mid-week, done my 3 runs of 4 miles, 8 and 4 but on my 4 miles on Thursday, I started to feel a niggle just above my knee to the inner right hand side, this was very near the end of my run and didnt feel painful, just a little niggly pain.

    The following morning, I was struggling to put weight on it and I was limping and the pain had increased. I rested the leg as I was working from home that day, iced the area and took some anti inflammatory tablets. I also had a bath with epsom salts and done some light stretching but unfortunately the pain was still there on Sat so I decided to do the same Sat, rest, iced the area and took some more tablets.

    It is Sunday evening now and it has improved but I dont feel comfortable enough to brave a run and I dont think it would be wise either. Very frustrating as I hadnt missed any long runs up to now and I also felt great going into Thursday's run before this happened. Thursday's run was also a nice easy 10:05 min/miles pace so I am not sure what I have done wrong. Tues and Wed runs were also nice handy paces, nothing difficult at all, this seems to have just come from nowhere as I hadnt felt anything coming on or had any issues leading up to this point.

    I am lying down icing it again now with the foot slightly elevated with a pillow for support. I am little unsure of my next move, Physio?? If so, I probably cant fit one in until next weekend.

    Well done to everyone on their long runs this weekend!

    Sorry to hear that, Tony - and yes, immediate off to get it seen to... Just checking, your shoes are okay, not too many miles in them?

    As you've been going well up until now, you can afford to miss a couple of days - it won't immediately scupper your chances. Of course, not ideal, but if needs must, just write off the miles.

    Try and get an appointment asap, but in the meantime, monitor it closely (as if you wouldn't). If you feel like you can brave an easy 3-4 milers, just run in very small laps near your house. That way you can immediately stop if you feel any discomfort.

    There is no magic potion, unfortunately, so hopefully rest and some TLC can see you back out there in no time. Please keep us posted!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Probably a long shot but would anyone know a good physio in Portlaoise that I could use?

    Maybe post this on the main forum too ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Hehe I don't recall nop featuring in my dream but I'm sure there'll be plenty of dreams to come where he will. Since I have no idea what nop looks like, I assume he will look like the actor who played Atticus Finch, because due to his general wiseness that's how I picture him (sorry nop:D)

    Thanks :D - bet you Gregory didn't have the backroom staff I have, surely :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    nop98 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that, Tony - and yes, immediate off to get it seen to... Just checking, your shoes are okay, not too many miles in them?

    As you've been going well up until now, you can afford to miss a couple of days - it won't immediately scupper your chances. Of course, not ideal, but if needs must, just write off the miles.

    Try and get an appointment asap, but in the meantime, monitor it closely (as if you wouldn't). If you feel like you can brave an easy 3-4 milers, just run in very small laps near your house. That way you can immediately stop if you feel any discomfort.

    There is no magic potion, unfortunately, so hopefully rest and some TLC can see you back out there in no time. Please keep us posted!

    Thanks nop, I am starting to think its the new shoes, I have about 50 miles in them now, I thought they were starting to feel fine, I haven't done an lsr in them yet but broke them in on the shorter runs and up to 8 mile longer runs but my legs always feel a little sore after using them.

    I thought it was just a case of breaking them in but it appears this might not be the case. My legs always feel good using my older shoes. They are both Saucony, old ones are Ride 7 and newer are Iso Triumphs.

    Two issues here, the old ones are now over 500 miles so probably at the end of their shelf life and the new ones dont seem to be working so if I go for another pair of ride sevens, I would have to alternate with the older which are over the 500 mile mark. Would this be ok?

    I am sorry I didnt just order another pair of ride sevens a month ago instead of the triumph iso's!!

    I am going to try for an appointment with a physio on Tuesday if I can find one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Szilvike


    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Sorry to hear that Szilvike, it's not nice to have to pull the plug but your positive attitude will go a long way towards making sure you do come back better and stronger for your next try. Stick around and let us know how the recovery is going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    So sorry to hear that Szilvike, the experience gained here will stand to you next time around!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    I managed to get a Physio appointment for tomorrow, will keep ye posted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Really sorry to hear that, Szilvike - it sounds to be the right call to postpone for a year. Rest and heal well, hopefully you can target some shorter races towards the end of the year (as I'm sure you've improved a lot) - and I like the PMA about a good strong start for next year. Hopefully you'll hang around and we'll see you on the big day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    So sorry to hear that Szilvike.Take it easy for a bit and recover. I'm sure you'll come back stronger next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)
    Sorry to hear this Szilvike. I had a similar injury to you last year, but it happened just as the tapering began which kept be out for three months. I know how disappointing it is to miss out. When you get back running again work on getting the milage built up and you'll be a lot stronger next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭tailgunner


    29th August - 4th September
    Monday - Rest
    Tuesday - 7 miles w/ 10 x 400 @ 10kP
    Wednesday - Rest
    Thursday - 10 miles w/ 2 x 3 miles @ MP
    Friday - 3 miles easy
    Saturday - 20 miles aerobic
    Sunday - 5 miles easy

    My right calf was a little sore last weekend - I had noticed the odd twinge while running last week, and I think the undulating route I chose for my long run might have aggravated it.

    It was a little better by Tuesday, but still very tight, so I approached the session fairly cautiously. It loosened out over the warm-up, and felt okay during the faster reps, so no major problems.

    Decided a rest day might help the calf more than a recovery run, so took Wednesday off.

    Thursday's MP session wasn't great. I felt very sluggish and just did not want to be running. The calf was much the same - still very tight during the warm-up, but it loosened out after a few miles.

    Finally booked the physio but couldn't get an appointment till after the weekend, so I went for a very short recovery run on Friday and said a few prayers to the running gods that I'd survive the long run on Saturday.

    Same story with the calf - started off feeling tight, and eventually loosened out, and I managed the 20 miles without too much trouble.

    Got out for a very easy recovery run on Sunday, and finally the calf felt like it was getting back to normal. Carried on a bit farther than I probably should have, but I was feeling good.

    Happy enough with 45 miles for the week. I think I've just about survived this business of training for a marathon now. All that's left now is taper mania.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭tailgunner


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Sorry to hear that. Best of luck with the recovery!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Hey Szilvike.. So Sorry to hear that. I can relate to it 100%. I got same at this time last year.. just before HM. It's one of those injuries that you just know you cannot run thru. On the plus side it should heal very quick and you will come back stronger. My advice is to get lots of strengthening work in whilst off - you can everything else just no impact work. I did loads of spinning and weights etc, this allowed me to come back to running still fit and ready for - but stronger too.

    I honestly live in constant fear of another stress fracture but be positive and come back stronger next time out. Best of Luck.. don't let this stop you from doing everything else you usually do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    So sorry to see that you are injured Szilvike . The best of luck with you recovery , the training you have done on this year's plan will stand to you for next year.

    Hope you stick around on the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Week 11 is here. :eek:

    The posts over the past few pages have illustrated the highs and lows of marathon training perfectly. On the one hand, there is some absolutely awesome mileage being recorded. The HHN1 followers clocked up 15-milers, while those on the boards program went all the way to 19 miles. For Aceygray, that wasn't enough - so she ran another 3 miles. For most of you, these will be the longest distances you have ever ran, only for that to be surpassed (several times) in the weeks to come. Awesome stuff, and take a moment to wallow in how far you have become.

    On the other hand, we have seen tony1980 struggling with a knee injury and Szilvike just decided to postpone her efforts until next year. I hope tony's setback is just temporarily and we'll see Szilvike crush the distance next year!

    In case you hadn't noticed :rolleyes: we have arrived at the sharp-end of marathon training. The plans for the next week call for:

    HHN1: 4m, 8m and 4m mid-week runs, and a 16m LSR.
    Boards: 4m, 8m, and 4m & strides mid-week, and a 20m LSR.

    As always, a post-LSR recovery run of 2-3m is recommended, if you feel up to it. If not, skip it and put the feet up. Also, try and fit in a gentle, fun cross-training session, e.g. swimming, yoga, pilates, or gentle cycling. Remember, these are meant to be low-intensity, easy efforts - just to get a break from the monotony of running so much. Nothing overly arduous, no 5-a-side football, tag-rugby. I recall someone mentioning spinning classes - that's also not recommended. Great for fitness but as they are so hard on the legs, and that's not what's needed at this stage.

    Those of you on different plans (which is totally fine), I am assuming your weekly mileage is somewhere in between HHN1 and Boards (or even a little more than boards). Do me a favor and confirm that. 8 weeks out, these are the critical weeks to get the miles in the legs.

    TBO (maybe unknowkingly so!) kicked up some good discussion about training paces, which evolved into talking about adjusting target goals. We've all used a realistic, conservative target for the big day to determine the pace-ranges in which to operate on easy and LSR day. Sometimes, these paces feel unhelpfully slow - but as Myles posted, even the elite runners following the same pattern. Yes, they still clock up 6:30 - 7 minute miles, but that's slow if you're racing at 5! What I'm saying is, stick with the trusted routines… Haven't read enough on this? The great Dubgal summarized a similar discussion last year - incidentally, at the same time of year. What goes around, comes around :)

    That said, there's nothing wrong with adjusting expectations. If you're going well in training and feel like you might have sold yourself a little short in your initial assessment, feel free to adjust upwards. Only you can be the judge of this, though! The rule of thumb remains to run the majority of your mileage at significantly slower times than PMP, that you should feel comfortable throughout, and that you pass the conversation tests. Alternatively, do keep in mind that you don't need to change anything if you're going well. Your current training routine and disciplines seem to be reaping rewards - keep doing what you're doing.

    Lastly, the race-series half marathon in Phoenix Park is on the horizon. It's time to set expectations and formulate your plans. A great opportunity to perfect your race-day routine, and for example, a chance to run with a pace-group. Plenty to think about as you pound the pavements this week. :pac:

    Run well this week, novices. Don't forget your stretches! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Very sorry to hear that Szilvike, but I'm glad you're at peace with it! Hopefully you'll come back stronger and you've a year now to prepare if you're gonna do it next year so you'll be flying. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    There's no rave thread any more so I'll post this here. This day two years ago I weighed myself 100kg and thinking to myself I've really let myself go. The next day I started back running. Two years of running tomorrow or a early mid life crisis I'm now 72kg.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Szilvike


    Thanks for all the nice words guys! :)
    Firedance wrote: »
    Stick around and let us know how the recovery is going.

    Will do definitely, and looking forward especially to read the posts written after the marathon about all the experiences!
    Sorry to hear this Szilvike. I had a similar injury to you last year, but it happened just as the tapering began which kept be out for three months. I know how disappointing it is to miss out. When you get back running again work on getting the milage built up and you'll be a lot stronger next year.
    Hey Szilvike.. So Sorry to hear that. I can relate to it 100%. I got same at this time last year.. just before HM. It's one of those injuries that you just know you cannot run thru. On the plus side it should heal very quick and you will come back stronger. My advice is to get lots of strengthening work in whilst off - you can everything else just no impact work. I did loads of spinning and weights etc, this allowed me to come back to running still fit and ready for - but stronger too.

    I honestly live in constant fear of another stress fracture but be positive and come back stronger next time out. Best of Luck.. don't let this stop you from doing everything else you usually do.

    It's so good to see that you both are here now after the same injury. CFR it must have been horribly frustrating so close to the big day :( Thanks for the advice paddydriver, I'll definitely do much more strength work from now on. Just with the exercises the physio gave me I can see and feel new muscles growing all over my body, which should help a lot in a long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Szilvike I'm so sorry to read this - after all your hard training :(
    Hopefully next year will be your year xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Really sorry to read this, Szilvike. Hope the recovery goes well and I look forward to seeing you smash the marathon next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Week 18 - Irish Runner Plan.

    Monday - I was supposed to do 4 miles but I was so tired and sore! Went to the gym instead for some foam rolling and a swim, felt a lot better afterwards.

    Tue - Pilates

    Wed - 8 miles tempo run with some hill sprints.

    Thur - 4 miles easy before work.
    It's so hard for me to get up and run, my body does be so achy and stiff, but was glad to have it done early as I had an early start planned for Friday for my LSR.

    Friday - 16.1 miles LSR. I had planned to get a bus into town and do the marathon route but at the last minute himself offered to cycle with me if I stayed local, so took him up on his offer :)
    Left at 7.30am, I brought 2 gels, some jelly tots and two 100ml bottles of water - plus he carried a bottle of lucozade for me. I wanted to try it at around 12 miles so I'd know if I should take it in the marathon, luckily it seems to agree with me and gave me a bit of a boost :)
    Bit of a disaster at mile 2 when I took my first sip of water and realised there was still some washing up liquid left in the bottles :s
    Other than that it all went well, my average pace was 11:40 which is bang on target :D
    I had pains across my shoulders for the last 4 miles so I was thinking of adding 30 mins of rowing twice a week would strengthen them a bit?

    I went to Brighton Friday evening, I had a lovely vision of myself running the pier Sundy morning while all my friends were hungover but turned out there was a free bar on the Saturday night, running gear never stood a chance after that!

    Overall I missed two runs last week, not good at this stage, I'll be better this week and stick to the plan.
    Definitely no more drinking until I cross the finishing line! 10.30 bed time might be a bit harder - I'll try aim for 11 and see how that goes. I'd usually go to bed at 12.30/1am so 11 is a really good compromise!!!

    Good luck to all this week, it's really flying in now, I can't believe there's only 7 weeks to go!! :O


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Sorry to hear that, good luck with the recovery and hopefully next year will be your year for DCM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭sibeen99


    Szilvike wrote: »
    So, unfortunately no marathon for me this year.
    On the top of the (now hopefully healed) knee injury, I've a stress fracture too. Clearly my enthusiasm was much bigger than the strength of my body. :o I've been extremely frustrated and disappointed in the past few weeks, but since I let it go two days ago, feel much calmer. I'll rest and do the recovery as I was told, and will start the marathon training much stronger next year :)
    Thank you so-so much for all the good advice and support to everyone, I've learn a lot from this thread! And best of luck to all of you on the Big Day!! :) I'll be there and cheer ;)

    Ah sorry to hear that Szilvike, but better safe than sorry. Recover well and don't lose that enthusiasm. Your marathon day will come!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    My weekly Update.

    Feeling a lot better this week. Not ideal in that I had to do the LSR on Friday so I rejigged the rest of the week to accomodate that. It worked out well in that Friday afternoon was lovely and Saturday Morning not so.

    I couldn't run thursday anyway so I dropped the 4 easy and did half an hour on the bike instead. I did plan to do 4 on sunday to complete the week but that just did not happen. I got the most important sessions in, wednesdays pace and the LSR and I feel I'm back on track now.

    My longest run ever on Friday and only two slightly longer runs ahead so I'm feeling positive but still keeping it real with the bad news posted re injuries to some fellow novices lately showing we're not there yet .

    Day|miles|pace|Heart Rate|Time Minutes
    Monday rest|-| |-|-
    Tuesday Easy|4.1|10:20|135|42:23|
    Wednesday pace|8.02|10:35|130|83.13
    Thursday Cross|-|-|-|cycle|
    Friday LSR|19.17|11:14|125|216:58
    Saturday Recovery|2|11:33|131|21:11mins
    Sunday Rest|-|-|-|-
    Totals|||33:30 Miles|06:03:45 Hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    My advice is to get lots of strengthening work in whilst off - you can everything else just no impact work. I did loads of spinning and weights etc, this allowed me to come back to running still fit and ready for - but stronger too.

    That's great advice for anyone reading this thread with the inkling of running a marathon down the line,.

    I wish I had done some strengthening work in the run up to marathon training, Aerobically I'm grand but I feel i'm lacking the strength in my legs to push on on some of my runs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    The Muppet wrote: »
    That's great advice for anyone reading this thread with the inkling of running a marathon down the line,.

    I wish I had done some strengthening work in the run up to marathon training, Aerobically I'm grand but I feel i'm lacking the strength in my legs to push on on some of my runs.

    Squats and Lunges... Not nice but very effective! Tough on knees though if there is any weakness there but are very good overall.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Squats and Lunges... Not nice but very effective! Tough on knees though if there is any weakness there but are very good overall.

    Too late for me this Year H, I'd be afraid of breaking myself with the mileage but after October its definitely something I plan to address.


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