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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    I was with a different crew of people this year. Less into their music and more into just drifting around, so I was forced to be less adventurous and didn't visit any of the literary, alternative stuff. But I heard plenty of good music and managed to break away at various points to meet my house and techno requirements.

    The mix of people has become very strange. Young families strolling around, often accompanied by older parents and grandparents, alongside people absolutely smashed on pills and powders.

    Something that will stay with me was the expression of a young boy near the Circus, trying to make sense of the contorted face, arms and body of some poor chap that was really struggling with whatever he'd taken. Perhaps the kid thought there was something wrong with him, in terms of a mental disorder or whatever. Ultimately I don't know what he thought but it struck me as being quite sad for the child, and possibly unfair on him.

    My only major issue is with the preponderance of little bars and mini-stages pumping out the same type of house music. Unless you're up toward the front half of the main stage, or in one of the tents, the only thing you'll hear is the constant clashing of various kick drums. It sounds awful.

    A related issue is the layout. The Electric Arena, Rankin's Wood, Cosby and the Little Big Tent are all in a row and very close to each other. And of course there's a number of the aforementioned vendors dotted along that route, along with Jerry Fish, so it's a constant soundclash. I hate to talk about 'back in the day' but I used to love relaxing right outside a tent at Witnness or the first EPs. Having a beer and chatting to mates but having an ear on whoever was playing inside. That's not possible anymore, at least along that stretch.

    Anyway, I had a great time. EP is still a very good festival. It's not one of the best anymore. There was a time when it was my favourite in Europe, with the possible exception of Sonar, which admittedly is a very different type of experience. But that day is over. The only thing that they've kept is the name, and of course there's little pockets of creative mad-hatters that inject some of the old flavour here and there. But like Witnness, Oxegen and Garden Party, the vibe has been changed by promoters looking to make more money and/or by people that cannot handle alcohol and drugs.

    I'll always return because I live so close. I'd be mad not to. But like this year, my festival quota will be met at oversees festivals and EP will be used to bring the summer to a close.

    So well done to everyone for making it a good weekend, and thanks to the rain and wind for renewing an age-old rivalry that on some level I quite enjoy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    Pickpocket you seem like the person to ask for a recommendation of a truly family friendly festival in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭princemuzzy


    Family camping was a cluster**** with the Carpark in the middle of town and the new walk around the lake to get in

    Great weekend though

    Do agree about the crowd it's not quite oxygen yet but getting there

    Will have a serious think about bringing the kids next year becoming the sort of place they shouldn't be which is a real shame


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭princemuzzy


    sadie06 wrote: »
    Pickpocket you seem like the person to ask for a recommendation of a truly family friendly festival in Europe.


    My experience with European festivals is they are all family friendly as people don't drink as much


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    sadie06 wrote: »
    Pickpocket you seem like the person to ask for a recommendation of a truly family friendly festival in Europe.

    I'm not. I don't have kids and the majority of festivals I attend are dedicated electronic festivals and absolutely not suitable for children.

    However if you've ever been to a festival in Europe, particularly Spain or France, you'll know that the attitude to alcohol and drugs is totally different. Hell, even Amsterdam, of all places, can be quite composed when compared to the Irish crowd at EP.

    So I'm sorry I can't be of more help. But I suspect that if a European festival is marketed as 'family friendly' that claim would have a lot more substance. That's not to knock EPs efforts in that regard because I know young families that have been very complimentary of EPs efforts over the years.

    However (and correct me if I'm wrong), 'family friendly' shouldn't just mean a quieter campsite and a shorter walk. It should focus on how appropriate it is for children. That's for every parent to decide. As I said, I don't have children, but as an uncle that plays a big role in the lives of my nieces and nephews, I have issues with how EP is being marketed as family friendly when the festival has been pushed to its current size, and given our attitude toward alcohol and drugs.

    But please correct me. I'd love to hear from some parents detailing their most recent experience.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Guards using the breathalyser just outside Stradbally

    I did put one on the list of stuff to bring, clean slate from mine this morning but i did take it very easy yesterday and only a few well spaced pints last night with lots of water and no shorts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭skD13


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    But please correct me. I'd love to hear from some parents detailing their most recent experience.

    I really enjoyed it but I think it was better in previous years with a smaller capacity and therefore less "messin".

    I am relieved to hear some parents on here now reconsidering its suitability as a family friendly event. I'm a parent myself and attended with many other parents. None of us brought the kids and we were all quite amazed at how so many parents seemed to think this event was OK for kids. I saw children being dragged, tired and cranky, around in carts at close to midnight. I mean, if it's not OK to have kids in a pub after 8pm how can it be OK at EP? And people were a lot more off their faces by 8pm at EP than they would be in most pubs. I was also concerned to see parents with their kids at comedians and artists who were throwing out F bombs every 2nd sentence. And no, they didn't move on when the inappropriate language kept flowing. Then of course there were the kids exposed to contorting wrecks of humans off their heads on whatever, as mentioned above. So yeah, the consensus among my group was that it is completely unsuitable for kids.

    With all that said, and notwithstanding the at times messy crowd, I still don't feel there was anything in the way of a menacing crowd for adults. There was very little in the way of a criminal "skanger" type element that I've seen at other festivals in the past.

    P.S. Whoever mentioned Lemaitre on here, thanks. They were a highlight for me along with Jack Garratt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Why would anyone bring kids to a festival.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    seachto7 wrote: »
    Why would anyone bring kids to a festival.

    cos if the weathers decent it's an interesting day/weekend out. Think the full weekend is too much for small kids though (cousins kid was dead on his feet midday yesterday and he'd had a benefit of sleeping in his own bed).

    There were a lot of mashed out of it young'uns and a lot more kiddies of suspect age there this year but that said, especially round the main stage, there were less aggressive tossers than in previous years but still loads of the pushy coming through "i don't care if you're in my way" gits which are everywhere at Irish events (we really are a nation of self entitled little ***** (insert the c word there) on that front).

    Found it really funny last night that a bunch of utter knuckle draggers beered out of their tiny little minds were repeating a chant of "waaaaan maaare choooon" over and over again at the tops of their voices and they looked like they'ed do well in a one on one with a gorilla, as soon as Miss Lana started singing, they knew every word.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    seachto7 wrote: »
    Why would anyone bring kids to a festival.

    Because it can be a fun and enriching experience for them. I used to bring my nieces and nephews out for a day when they were under 12. Getting their face painted, dancing around to odd music, having them see people that look and sound different than themselves, trying unusual flavours and just generally witnessing a bigger and more colourful part of the world, yet still being back with their parents for 8pm.

    We need more children at festivals as far as I'm concerned. It will do them good. We just don't have the festivals for them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭EoineyM


    Had the kids with us this year. We all enjoyed it but will probs not do it next year. Although I didn't see any fights etc. when we were heading back to the campsite at around 9 it was getting a bit messy (as in drunken/drug fuelled messy, not muddy messy which it also was). Maybe it was just me, but the gangs of girls were worse than the lads - screeching, cursing, falling over. I agree with the comments re the strange mix of the crowd. It seems in Ireland people just like attending events - when planning out the year its like - "well we will go to bloom in June, EP in September, Oktoberfest in October....."because that's where everyone else is going. I was chatting to quite a few people who weren't there to see any music which is a bit weird. In general I thought it was well run. One major annoyance was that none of the staff working there seemed to have the slightest clue where anything was. Also, they could have put down some boards between the family campsite and the car park - those stones were a nightmare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    nocoverart wrote: »
    She's lovely alright, till you put her close to the fire. An abomination of a artist but I guess that's just my opinion , right?

    It's an opinion alright, she's pure style over substance but it's a bloody nice style and her set was unexpectedly good, like actually really good and entertaining.

    Not every act can be a left field indie darling and a festival full of them would be an utter circle jerk of taste fascism wankery.

    Anyway, highlights for me were (in no order)
    Super Furry Animals (I am now a fan, wonderful), Aurora (little firecracker of a voice and just full of bouncy joy), Editors (yes, as he promised, he cheered us up with some miserable music), Cathy Davey (swoon), LCD Soundsystem (yisser not losing yer edges), Lana Del Rey (I really enjoyed this, **** the begrudgers) and New Order (though the bastards didn't do Atmosphere)

    Broken Social Scene I thought were alright, Todd Terje I didn't think I'd enjoy but really did, Ezra Furman (meh, just found him annoying), Lightning Seeds were not bad at all and I had a ball during Noel Gallagher (his stuff is not exactly ground breaking but he did a decent show and it was a great singalong in the rain). Saw a couple of others, but meh to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    Found it really funny last night that a bunch of utter knuckle draggers beered out of their tiny little minds were repeating a chant of "waaaaan maaare choooon" over and over again at the tops of their voices and they looked like they'ed do well in a one on one with a gorilla, as soon as Miss Lana started singing, they knew every word.

    File those alongside the legion of spoiled brats to the 'roysh' of the stage for LCD Soundsystem, aggressively pushing their way to the front to see a band they'd never heard of 2 weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    File those alongside the legion of spoiled brats to the 'roysh' of the stage for LCD Soundsystem, aggressively pushing their way to the front to see a band they'd never heard of 2 weeks ago.

    We were kinda worried that these would kick off and not in a good way, but they were transfixed by her (totally out of their gourds but grand once they had her)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭EoineyM


    seachto7 wrote: »
    Why would anyone bring kids to a festival.

    I think you should be able to bring kids to festivals. My eight year old loved it and she had her own list of bands that she wanted to see. The soul kids area was great and they all had a blast there. EP should be a great introduction to music and all in all I think it is. The problem isnt having kids at the festival - its the overindulgence in drink and drugs that is par for the course for pretty much every event in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    didn't hear any alan or steve this year, but did witness a classic where some girl was running between seated area and the food stands, cue a bunch of lads shouting "FENTON FENTON FENTON!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    We were kinda worried that these would kick off and not in a good way, but they were transfixed by her (totally out of their gourds but grand once they had her)

    Well not everyone with a working-class accent is a knuckle-dragging scumbag with a tiny mind.

    Indeed, not everyone with a so-called posh accent is a spoiled brat.

    But class is very much alive in Ireland and not even the love and positivity of a soggy Laois forest can make us leave it at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    Well not everyone with a working-class accent is a knuckle-dragging scumbag with a tiny mind.

    Indeed, not everyone with a so-called posh accent is a spoiled brat.

    But class is very much alive in Ireland and not even the love and positivity of a soggy Laois forest can make us leave it at home.

    Note : I didn't say a damn thing about accent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    I've just realised that LCD Soundsystem's James Murphy has performed at the last three EPs. He played a DJ set in 2014 and then Despacio last year.

    Can anyone think of another artist of his stature that's played three or more back to back EPs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭skD13


    EoineyM wrote: »
    I think you should be able to bring kids to festivals. My eight year old loved it and she had her own list of bands that she wanted to see.

    Yep, I think you should too. I also have an 8 year old who would love to see some of the bands there but after what I experienced at EP this year, I'm gonna hold off for something a little smaller like that Groove festival that was on in Killruddery House a couple of years back. Something of that ilk would work well I'd say as an intro for the younger ones.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭Mince Pie


    So back at home now. Not a vintage year by any measure. So over the mud this year.
    Travesty getting in, bottlenecked in the field before you get into the wristbanding area coming from the red car park.
    Then they closed off Charlie Chapling camping saying it was an overflow campsite. Ridiculous as there was no way we were camping in Hendrix or Wilde. So managed to get in when security decided to turn a blind eye to allow about 30 of us in before closing it again.
    Surrounded by non stop chatters and fecking Alan and Steve all weekend.

    Seriously reconsidering whether or not to go next year. Not sure if its just me but thought the food selection was much poorer this year. No fecking Churros!

    Highlights - LCD Soundsystem and Savages
    Lows - mud, rain and gob****es who can't shut up in the campsite.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    Found it really funny last night that a bunch of utter knuckle draggers beered out of their tiny little minds were repeating a chant of "waaaaan maaare choooon" over and over again at the tops of their voices
    Note : I didn't say a damn thing about accent.

    It's fine. I done it as well. It's okay to have an axe to grind or a chip on your shoulder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Suppose it depends on what you are going to a festival for, if you are going to let loose totally and get drunk/high and dance the weekend away without a care in the world I wouldn't bring any kids. If you are going to try do something a bit different for a weekend and are introducing them to some culture/music/art they won't normally get to experience that is a good thing surely.

    The problem I would have is that Irish gigs, and festivals in general are not geared toward this. I suppose to an extent its a culture thing of our own, but I have been to festivals in Spain, in Poland, in Germany and France and have experienced very, very little of the same kind of tension, or anti-social behaviour that I have at Irish festivals, less people out of their minds etc

    I was part of the last couple of Witness festivals, and a card carrying member of the Oxegen, (plenty ****ed up, not remembering much when I got home) crowd. There is absolutely a market for that kind of thing, but as I am now older and have a couple of kids of my own I would love a more continental feeling festival here to bring my kids to. They can be such a great experience but not pleasant at all when the darker side comes to the fore as with the last couple of years of Oxegen, in which I had moved away from getting as ****ed up as possible and wanted to actually experience and remember the music!

    TLDR

    Irish festivals, and events in general do not lend themselves to family friendly for me. It would be great if there was some that I wanted to go to now that I am old and boring!

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Lemsiper


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    It's fine. I done it as well. It's okay to have an axe to grind or a chip on your shoulder.

    What accent is bold in? I'm not familiar with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭scruff monkey
    Snarky Snark Snark


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    It's fine. I done it as well. It's okay to have an axe to grind or a chip on your shoulder.

    Well if you have one, then don't project it on to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Just on the whole "the crowd has changed" thing - I've been going to EP for 11 years now, and that statement has always been true to a certain extent, but I've always shrugged it off because the festival itself maintained plenty of the right feeling. This year I noticed a big jump in the negative direction - there was a bit of a lack of the friendly festival camaraderie, lots of people too ****ed early in the day, and of course the worst sign: people singing Oasis songs all over the place without the snipers getting them.

    Anyway, this year proved to me that an Oxegen revival would be very popular and profitable, and they could and should bring that back and let EP return to a more balanced attendance figure of 30-40k. Otherwise the family crowd will drift away, and EP will just become Oxegen. Be a real shame if that was the case!

    I thought that in 2008 when there were people throwing glass bottles at the Sex Pistols, puking in the crowd and then there was a fight.

    The year previous a gang of scumbags walked through where we were camping at 6am and robbed a load of our stuff. When I got up to go over to them and get it back they were well ready for a fight.

    Theres always a percentage of Irish people who don't know how to behave at these things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    Do agree about the crowd it's not quite oxygen yet but getting there

    It is becoming somewhat like Oxegen crowd wise. There's still areas such as the green crafts area and mindfield, which were never at Oxegen. Good places to entertain kids.
    That said, I wouldn't bring kids if it was me. We also had our heads wrecked on Sunday morning by a kid crying for his daddie for half an hour. Then when they were packing up they played Katy Perry and other such music on youtube with an iPad at high volume. I understand it keeps the kids focused, but didn't do my head any good!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    The Nal wrote: »
    I thought that in 2008 when there were people throwing glass bottles at the Sex Pistols, puking in the crowd and then there was a fight.

    It was probably manufactured disorder, just like Johnny Rotten's manufactured personality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Pickpocket


    Well if you have one, then don't project it on to me.

    Alright bud.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Pickpocket wrote: »
    The Nal wrote: »
    I thought that in 2008 when there were people throwing glass bottles at the Sex Pistols, puking in the crowd and then there was a fight.

    It was probably manufactured disorder, just like Johnny Rotten's manufactured personality.

    Very clever......


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