Dublin café VS. the Gluten Free by choice

Noveight · 03-09-2016 09:08PM #1

Earlier today, the White Moose Café (in Dublin, apparently) put up this Facebook post:

**DOCTOR’S NOTE REQUIRED TO GET GLUTEN-FREE FOOD**
This morning a girl asked us if we did gluten-free pancakes and when we asked her if she was a coeliac, she didn’t even know what the word meant and then proceeded to order regular, gluten-rich pancakes anyway. From now on, guests who demand gluten-free food are required to produce a doctor’s note which states that you suffer from coeliac disease. Guests following a gluten-free fad, who don’t even know what gluten is, can cop the fcuk on and eat regular food like everybody else.

It gathered a heap of likes and shares and anyone who commented against their stance was basically told to fcuk off by the café themselves - cue rustled jimmies and general outrage.

Whatever about their PR, is their stance on gluten free for coeliac's only correct? If a non-coeliac customer asks for gluten free stuff and is happy to pay a bit more for it, then why not let them crack on, fad or not?

markpb · 03-09-2016 09:10PM

Isn't this the same cafe and/or owner who puts up tripe like this every six months, winds people up and gets lots of attention?

maudgonner · 03-09-2016 09:12PM

Noveight wrote: »

Earlier today, the White Moose Café (in Dublin, apparently) put up this Facebook post:

It gathered a heap of likes and shares and anyone who commented against their stance was basically told to fcuk off by the café themselves - cue rustled jimmies and general outrage.

Whatever about their PR, is their stance on gluten free for coeliac's only correct? If a non-coeliac customer asks for gluten free stuff and is happy to pay a bit more for it, then why not let them crack on, fad or not?

They're looking for publicity. And it worked.

They have a track record of this. They banned vegans before: http://www.independent.ie/life/food-drink/food-news/dublin-caf-owner-attracts-the-attention-of-angry-irish-vegans-after-banning-them-from-the-establishment-34144818.html

ETA: And annoyed Brazilians: http://www.dailyedge.ie/white-moose-cafe-brazlians-2626306-Feb2016/

LeBash · 03-09-2016 09:15PM

The bloke who runs it is a tosser. Nobody in the area has any time for him. He's a wannabe media darling.

Sh1tbag OToole · 03-09-2016 09:16PM

Surely even the legit gluten free crowd dont be carrying doctors notes around with them

Cee-Jay-Cee · 03-09-2016 09:16PM

He was showing his ignorance by telling people they weren't really coeliac as they had spelt it celiac (the American:Canadian spelling)

The guy/girl is a prize winning prick.

Vic_08 · 03-09-2016 09:16PM

Noveight wrote: »

Earlier today, the White Moose Café (in Dublin, apparently) put up this Facebook post:

It gathered a heap of likes and shares and anyone who commented against their stance was basically told to fcuk off by the café themselves - cue rustled jimmies and general outrage.

Whatever about their PR, is their stance on gluten free for coeliac's only correct? If a non-coeliac customer asks for gluten free stuff and is happy to pay a bit more for it, then why not let them crack on, fad or not?

Presumably because it is an expense and waste of manpower they don't want to go to except for those who actually require gluten free food for a medical reason.

It is a ridiculous fad for the most part, coeliac is a serious condition but the vast majority of those demanding gluten free food are just ignorant morons slavishly following the latest trendy food "intolerance".

Demanding medical certs from people is a dick move and I can see how it would upset genuine coeliac sufferers to be expected to do that.

Edit: is that the same guy who runs a crappy hotel on the North Circular and rants on social media against any customers that complain? If that's the case it is just more media-whoring from a particularly unpleasant wanker.

andekwarhola · 03-09-2016 09:22PM

Another spot to add to the Flamethrower Tour that I will hopefully one day conduct in my hijacked city.

03-09-2016 10:26PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Another spot to add to the Flamethrower Tour that I will hopefully one day conduct in my hijacked city.

Can you include anywhere that does 'Babychinos' in that, and follow up with a world tour of cardigan factories?

andekwarhola · 03-09-2016 10:27PM

Candie wrote: »

Can you include anywhere that does 'Babychinos' in that, and follow up with a world tour of cardigan factories?

Regrettably, the list would become unmanageable. :pac:

Icemancometh · 03-09-2016 10:29PM

I'm trying to imagine how I'd react if a patient asked me for a letter for a cafe to get gluten free bread. Trying not to laugh would be a start.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-09-2016 11:32PM

Making a point of visiting this fine establishment next time I'm back in Dublin!

Barry Badrinath · 03-09-2016 11:35PM

The owner certaintly is a dickhead but I still laughed at his comments on the FB link

Not.backing.down.at.all..

Outlaw Pete · 03-09-2016 11:48PM

Wouldn't mind seeing Ramsey do a Kitchen Nightmares from this place, sounds like they wouldn't get on at all.

In saying that, it's a wonder this guy hasn't his own show at this stage.

freedominacup · 03-09-2016 11:55PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing Ramsey do a Kitchen Nightmares from this place, sounds like they wouldn't get on at all.

In saying that, it's a wonder this guy hasn't his own show at this stage.

They'd get on like a house on fire. You know, flames, explosions, screams, people running for safety. I'd watch it.

How much more up his own arse is he than half the people running trendy eateries in any city?

holly44 · 04-09-2016 12:03AM

If the internet did not exist neither would Gluten intolerance.

The Raptor · 04-09-2016 10:31AM

How can someone order regular and gluten free pancakes?

Would the regular pancakes be like normal with gluten?

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2016 12:29PM

I think he is right.

Sometimes the information on a menu re allergies and gluten and etc. is longer than the menu!

Why doesn't some enterprising enterpreneur set up a gluten free, nut free, food free cafe? It would be packed.

Or would it? Because then, the gluten free afficionados would not be noticed as precious by the glutenous customers.

Costs a lot to cater for them. Go away and bring your own.

Or just eat potatoes and rice.

end of the road · 04-09-2016 02:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think he is right.

no he's an attention seeking moron.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sometimes the information on a menu re allergies and gluten and etc. is longer than the menu!

i'm nearly sure that it is the law that such information must be availible. fair enough, we have had people die from nut allergies and they're are genuine cases who can't eat certain foods. non issue.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why doesn't some enterprising enterpreneur set up a gluten free, nut free, food free cafe? It would be packed.
Or would it?

i don't know, or care. more important things to worry about tbh. i don't eat such food and i couldn't care a less about those who do. it doesn't effect my life in any way shape or form.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Because then, the gluten free afficionados would not be noticed as precious by the glutenous customers.

do you mean just the non genuine cases who don't need such food or are you including those who do as well?

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Costs a lot to cater for them. Go away and bring your own.

costs a lot to cater for them on what basis. we are supposed to believe they're are hords of people using the eating of such food for attention so it shouldn't cost very much really.
they're is a very simple, mannerly, non attention seeking way to deal with people looking for such food if a business doesn't wish to do it. customer, do you do gluten free food? person behind the counter, we don't i'm afraid. simple, truthful, and non attention seeking.

_Whimsical_ · 04-09-2016 02:27PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

It is a ridiculous fad for the most part, coeliac is a serious condition but the vast majority of those demanding gluten free food are just ignorant morons slavishly following the latest trendy food "intolerance".

The thing is though that coeliac is often not diagnosed for many years, a lot of people only discover it in mid-adulthood after years of knowing that wheat based products haven't suited them

Also full diagnosis is something that requires colonoscopy or gastroscopy. I know someone waiting 18 months now for that test as a public patient.

It's crazy to dismiss everyone who claims to have an intolerance as being a slave to a food fad or just plain daft.

Also and most importantly there IS convincing medical evidence for NonCeliac Gluten Intolerance now. This is an extract from an article published this week on a The Cleveland Clinic site, one of the most prestigious medical centres in the world.

But recent research is providing provocative clarity to the possible etiology of NCGS. A group from Columbia University, led by Armin Alaedini, PhD, conducted a carefully controlled experiment on patients with NCGS whose bowel biopsies were negative for both celiac disease and IgE food allergy. Researchers challenged the patients with gluten and assessed for markers of intestinal cell damage and immunologic activation. They were compared to two other groups, one with documented celiac disease and the other with healthy controls.

And they found multiple lines of scientific evidence for NCGS. The NCGS group had significant elevations of soluble CD14 and lipopolysaccharide-binding protein (both markers of translocation of microbial products from the bowel) in comparison to the healthy controls and to patients with classic celiac disease. The group also detected additional markers of systemic immune activation. Immune activation markers normalized when the individuals with gluten sensitivity excluded wheat from their diets.

These data provide evidence of systemic immune activation and gut epithelial damage in the absence of celiac disease. The findings are also provocative for the investigation of patients with other medically unexplained disorders, such as such as chronic fatigue syndrome. We don’t yet have biomarkers for NCGS, but I think we are ready for clinical discovery, based on searching for optimum biomarkers of immune activation and bowel injury.

For now, this is both a fascinating area of research as well as a strong reminder of how we must constantly reassess what we believe to be conventional wisdom about patients with medically unexplained disorders.

https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/2016/09/not-heads-non-celiac-gluten-intolerances-immunologic-basis/

04-09-2016 02:29PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The thing is though that coeliac is often not diagnosed for many years, a lot of people only discover it in mid-adulthood after years of knowing that wheat based products haven't suited them

Also full diagnosis is something that requires colonoscopy or gastroscopy. I know someone waiting 18 months now for that test as a public patient.

And doing a follow up blood test where you've to make yourself sick eating that sh1te again. No you're grand thanks one blood test is enough

_Whimsical_ · 04-09-2016 02:35PM

bluewolf wrote: »

And doing a follow up blood test where you've to make yourself sick eating that sh1te again. No you're grand thanks one blood test is enough

Yes! And you also should be eating gluten in the weeks running up to colonoscopy and gastroscopy too or you can receive a false negative on those tests as long term Gluten exclusion can mask the visually apparent damage in some people.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2016 02:38PM

@end of the road....

Eh I think you doth protest too much!

It was tongue in cheek. But seek and you shall find, read with an open mind and a sense of proportion (and a jot of humour), and you'll be grand.

I had a friend here for tea a few weeks ago. She is gluten free. I bought gluten freef stuff for her, and she did eat a bit of it. I gave the rest to her to take home.

Then last week we were at a function for someone leaving her work (a former colleague of mine also). She was horsing into the sausage rolls and cakes. None of which were gluten free. Jeez. It's an attention seeking fad in some cases. That's the reality my friend.

04-09-2016 02:41PM

The guy must have read some book by O'Leary.. Fair play to him.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-09-2016 03:31PM

I'm tested every single month for coeliac disease and each time it comes back negative. My haemotologist repeatedly tests me, my GP does my bloods every 4 weeks and includes it, and endocronology tests me each appointment too.

Its been neg for years, but my GP is pretty certain it'll come back positive one of these days.

Now I came off gluten a while ago and within a few days I felt so much better. But until that blood test comes back positive, I'm just a precious wanker inconviencing waiting staff and kitchens.

Grayson · 04-09-2016 03:50PM

I wonder if the guy who owns it was reading the thread here about gluten intolerance.

Grayson · 04-09-2016 03:51PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm tested every single month for coeliac disease and each time it comes back negative. My haemotologist repeatedly tests me, my GP does my bloods every 4 weeks and includes it, and endocronology tests me each appointment too.

Its been neg for years, but my GP is pretty certain it'll come back positive one of these days.

Now I came off gluten a while ago and within a few days I felt so much better. But until that blood test comes back positive, I'm just a precious wanker inconviencing waiting staff and kitchens.

Doesn't mean it's gluten though. There's loads of other stuff in bread.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-09-2016 03:58PM

Grayson wrote: »

Doesn't mean it's gluten though. There's loads of other stuff in bread.

It's not just bread though is it? Even putting gravy on my dinner would be enough to give me cramps. Who knows? It could be anything. But whatever it is is causing me to be an anemic with severe thyroid issues. I trust my doctors though and I'm sure they'll figure out the problem

Grayson · 04-09-2016 04:19PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

It's not just bread though is it? Even putting gravy on my dinner would be enough to give me cramps. Who knows? It could be anything. But whatever it is is causing me to be an anemic with severe thyroid issues. I trust my doctors though and I'm sure they'll figure out the problem

I have a friend who discovered he was gluten intolerant when he went to a nutritionist. She got him to hold vials of liquid in one hand and an electrode in the other. She took readings based on different vials and then told him he was gluten intolerant.
The guy has a masters in engineering but he immediately cut out all wheat. I think that proves that engineers aren't scientists

but back on topic. I think a lot of the people who are gluten intolerant have no problems. Some think it's a fad. Some think gluten is just bad for everyone. Some have been "diagnosed" by quacks. However that doesn't mean that all are like that. Of the ones who have problems and aren't coeliac I think a lot could be down to reactions to other proteins besides gluten or to additives/preservatives/pesticides/fungicides. Just because someone has a bad reaction to a wheat based food doesn't necessarily mean it's gluten. It's just that gluten is the first thing that springs to mind. Thing is it's a bitch to figure out what the exact thing (Or combination of things) is causing the problem.

04-09-2016 05:05PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Now I came off gluten a while ago and within a few days I felt so much better. But until that blood test comes back positive, I'm just a precious wanker inconviencing waiting staff and kitchens.

How dare you eat food that doesn't make you sick. You're a terrible person

Outlaw Pete · 04-09-2016 05:09PM

Think a lot of people that feel better when they give up wheat do so because their particular microbiota isn't producing much phytase and so absorbing minerals (especially zinc) is problematic for them (especially if they're vegetarians). It's not really an absence of wheat that has them feeling better, but more the absence of 'phytic acid'.

Not that phytic acid is only in wheat (it's in a lot of foods) but given that we eat a hell of a lot of wheat, everything from toast to biscuits, sambos to pastry, battererd foods etc etc, just given up that one source of it, can result in that person suddenly consuming less phytic acid than they may ever have before in their lives and as a result absorbing minerals more efficiently.

Dublin café VS. the Gluten Free by choice

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