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what other things cause cancer do you reckon?

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  • #102
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Chuchote wrote: »
    True, but I've had much-loved pets that died of cancer. It's a disease. Mammals - and other animals, and plants - get it.

    That said, anyone who smokes, since the studies linked it irrevocably to lung cancer and heart disease, is asking for illness.

    Apparently there's some questionable muck in a lot of pet foods these days.


  • #103
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Apparently there's some questionable muck in a lot of pet foods these days.

    i know there is a lot of ash mixed in with the cheaper dry dog food - quite a bit i think


  • #104
    Mrs cockett
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    i know there is a lot of ash mixed in with the cheaper dry dog food - quite a bit i think

    That's a disgrace


  • #105
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    i know there is a lot of ash mixed in with the cheaper dry dog food - quite a bit i think
    Can't see them adding ash to food.

    An analysis that showed "ash" might indicate a lot of Calcium from bulking agents like calcium alginate, made from seaweed.


  • #106
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Apparently there's some questionable muck in a lot of pet foods these days.
    Yep. The dog food industry has decided for financial reasons that it's ok to feed an apex predator cut price meat flavoured weetabix. And worse many if not most vets promote this. Some actively in their surgeries.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #107
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep. The dog food industry has decided for financial reasons that it's ok to feed an apex predator cut price meat flavoured weetabix. And worse many if not most vets promote this. Some actively in their surgeries.
    They're probably making a fortune selling it at a huge markup. Most dog people believe it's better, I don't know if it is or not, but it doesn't seem like good food for a dog.


  • #108
    scdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭scdublin


    Smoking, drinking and a bad diet are linked heavily with cancer. Out of the 6 people off the top of my head that I know who've had it/have it, 5 of them smoke. 5 of them drink often. All of them wouldn't have the greatest diets. 2 of them specifically mentioned they'd been under a lot of stress with work before they got diagnosed and are convinced it had something to do with it. I hadn't really heard of stress being a big factor before.

    Obviously some of these things are well known to contribute to cancer but some people could never smoke, drink or eat crap in their lives and still get it. Horrible disease so it is.


  • #109
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ScumLord wrote: »
    They're probably making a fortune selling it at a huge markup. Most dog people believe it's better, I don't know if it is or not, but it doesn't seem like good food for a dog.

    The only things dogs and cats should be eating are protein and saturated animal fats. NOT vegetables, grains and carbohydrates.


  • #110
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The only things dogs and cats should be eating are protein and saturated animal fats. NOT vegetables, grains and carbohydrates.
    Cats yes. Dogs can take a wider variety of foods.

    Milk chocolate contains lots of saturated animal fats.
    But it's a waste to give it to dogs. Especially since it's toxic for them.


    Killing coyotes with tea, coffee and chocolate
    http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=icwdm_usdanwrc


  • #111
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Cats yes. Dogs can take a wider variety of foods.

    Milk chocolate contains lots of saturated animal fats.
    But it's a waste to give it to dogs. Especially since it's toxic for them.


    Killing coyotes with tea, coffee and chocolate
    http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=icwdm_usdanwrc

    is (a little bit) of milk chocolate unsafe for dogs too? - i thought it was dark chocolate they couldnt have


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  • #112
    jimbis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭jimbis


    Never ever smoked, no history of cancer in my family except for my gran on my mothers side having breast cancer late in life. I was always active and healthy just like any other kid and still got cancer at 15....... Fast forward 5 years later and like most adults in this country I'm enjoying the beers and takeaway at the weekends but still see myself as healthy and active but the same cancer comes back again (lymphoma).

    No doctor or any research I've done has any answer for me as to how I got cancer twice.
    I haven't really changed my lifestyle now either as for all I know I could be changing it for the worse. Sometimes there are obvious things like smoking and diet we can do to prevent bad health but there is also the mystery ones.


  • #113
    Leogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭Leogirl


    jimbis wrote: »
    Never ever smoked, no history of cancer in my family except for my gran on my mothers side having breast cancer late in life. I was always active and healthy just like any other kid and still got cancer at 15....... Fast forward 5 years later and like most adults in this country I'm enjoying the beers and takeaway at the weekends but still see myself as healthy and active but the same cancer comes back again (lymphoma).

    No doctor or any research I've done has any answer for me as to how I got cancer twice.
    I haven't really changed my lifestyle now either as for all I know I could be changing it for the worse. Sometimes there are obvious things like smoking and diet we can do to prevent bad health but there is also the mystery ones.


    Hope you're doing OK. How is the treatment going?


  • #114
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Cats yes. Dogs can take a wider variety of foods.

    Milk chocolate contains lots of saturated animal fats.
    But it's a waste to give it to dogs. Especially since it's toxic for them.


    Killing coyotes with tea, coffee and chocolate
    http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=icwdm_usdanwrc

    I can eat ball bearings and small glass marbles, but they are definitely not part of my natural diet, are probably not good for me and are definitely of no benefit to me nutritionally. Same goes for feeding carboyhydrates to predators in large quantitties.


  • #115
    jimbis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭jimbis


    Leogirl wrote: »
    Hope you're doing OK. How is the treatment going?

    Probably should have worded my last post a bit better lol, finished treatment a whole 10 years ago now and doing very well ;).
    The mental side effects however are a lot more difficult to get over.


  • #116
    Leogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭Leogirl


    jimbis wrote: »
    Leogirl wrote: »
    Hope you're doing OK. How is the treatment going?

    Probably should have worded my last post a bit better lol, finished treatment a whole 10 years ago now and doing very well ;).
    The mental side effects however are a lot more difficult to get over.


    Yes I'm finding it a lot harder to get over the mental, emotional side of this than my treatments- I'm well on the road to recovery from that. The fear+ uncertainty- no so easy to get over :-)

    Glad to hear you're doing so well. Hope I can say the same in 9 years :-) :-)


  • #117
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Anyone ever been very angry or hurt, and physically felt like there was some kind of poison in your veins?

    Interested to know what the reason is but also I think that can't be healthy


  • #118
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    I posted this a couple of years ago... well worth a watch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9bDZ5-zPtY


  • #119
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Anyone ever been very angry or hurt, and physically felt like there was some kind of poison in your veins?

    Interested to know what the reason is but also I think that can't be healthy

    Your body will dump stress hormones to get you ready for a threat to survival ( throwback to living in caves with tigers and dinosaur yokes around the place)

    They increase cardiac output,
    increase blood flow to muscles ( so you be ready to fight the tiger ),
    decrease blood flow to your skin ( so you'll bleed less if cut ),
    slow down digestion,
    counteract insulin so your blood glucose will rise,
    and reduce anything else not related to survival ( reproductive stuff - not a good idea to be having babies when there is tigers knocking around your cave)

    If there is no tiger to kill outside your cave ( end the threat to survival there and then) the above may drag on for ages. not good


  • #120
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Your body will dump stress hormones to get you ready for a threat to survival ( throwback to living in caves with tigers and dinosaur yokes around the place)

    They increase cardiac output,
    increase blood flow to muscles ( so you be ready to fight the tiger ),
    decrease blood flow to your skin ( so you'll bleed less if cut ),
    slow down digestion,
    counteract insulin so your blood glucose will rise,
    and reduce anything else not related to survival ( reproductive stuff - not a good idea to be having babies when there is tigers knocking around your cave)

    If there is no tiger to kill outside your cave ( end the threat to survival there and then) the above may drag on for ages. not good

    Thanks. It's hard to describe but it was very different to the usual fight or flight thing. I know elevated cortisol levels in theselves probably aren't good for you so chronic stress in itself is bad but this was something else altogether. A truly nasty feeling.


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  • #121
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    The above carry-on makes your immune system less enthusiastic -

    not good, your immune system tries its best to kill dodgy cells :





  • #122
    Undercover Elephant
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Undercover Elephant


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If there is no tiger to kill outside your cave ( end the threat to survival there and then) the above may drag on for ages. not good

    Probably better than there being a tiger outside your cave though.


  • #123
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Impotent rage (or whatever emotion), you can feel that it would do horrible things to you if it lasted for a while


  • #124
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Undercover Elephant wrote: »
    Probably better than there being a tiger outside your cave though.

    It'd be win-win if it was near winter time and you managed to kill it

    nice winter coat for yer kids : http://i.imgur.com/ulDL7dN.jpg

    and your cave-missus would be so happy


  • #125
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Undercover Elephant wrote: »
    Probably better than there being a tiger outside your cave though.

    In the short term but if you're having adrenaline rushes or dumps or whatever you call them and no end to it, maybe you have more of a problem down the line. Would killing or chasing away the tiger not provide some kind of release? And if it ate you, you'd have no pain in your head.


  • #126
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    I posted this a couple of years ago... well worth a watch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9bDZ5-zPtY

    Otto Heinrich Warburg received a Nobel prize in 1931 for work which showed that cancer cells, unlike normal ones, could only utilise glucose for their energy requirements, unlike normal cells which can utilise both glucose and ketones, which are derived from metabolising fats.

    So in theory, forcing your body to get all of it's energy requirements from ketones via a ketogenic diet, ought to at the very least, put a kink in the functioning of cancer cells.


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  • #127
    idunno78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭idunno78


    Undercover Elephant wrote: »
    Look at Vertex. They found a cure for some forms of cystic fibrosis. They're able to charge a hundred grand a pop and it's still good value. The companies who treat CF without curing it are just going to have to suck it up.

    Sorry to drag this up. But just wanted to reply to this! Hey haven't found a cure to Some forms of cystic fibrosis, the medication is for a strain of it and just lessens some of the problems with CF! Definitely not a cure!!


  • #128
    _Jamie_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭_Jamie_


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    That's not true at all. Something like 70% of cancers are avoidable and stem from lifestyle factors or choices.

    Yes, there always been and always will be an element of chance and poor fortune, but for the vast majority of cases, it is attributable to what we're doing, eating, or not doing in terms of exercise.

    The notion that Cancer is totally random and strikes the healthy as much as it does the unhealthy is myth.

    That's when it comes to non-elderly people. Cancer is more prevelant in older people now too, because they're living longer. If people lived long enough, everyone would get cancer eventually.
    True but not all young people who get it bring it on themselves, not knowingly at least. A couple of super fit, health-conscious young people of my acquaintance died of cancer. I personally think environmental factors play a big part. Some of those are within our control and things like diet and lifestyle would fall into this category, but some are likely out of our control and we don't even realise they exist near us.


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