what other things cause cancer do you reckon?

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 9:27pm #1

we have all heard about the dangers of smoking and that it can give you cancer but I wonder how many other have ever pondered and thought about other things we ingest or are subjected to on a daily basis - do you reckon theres any truth in it?

heres my (crackpot maybe) take on it:

We spray deodorants and perfumes, shaving foam, soaps, make-up and moisturisers and god knows what else into our skins, and washing powders and softener that goes onto your clothes and then them chemicals seeping in through your skin as you wear them ... now what if all those chemicals seep in through your skin , then go in your blood stream - I dunno, I suppose (if our kidneys are working ok) we pee all the chemicals out and we are OK.

Then we ingest vegetables that have been sprayed with god knows what and eat processed (not natural) food on a regular basis most of us.

And thats without all the radio waves, mobile phone masts , overhead electricity powerlines etc and cars and other vehicles pumping out toxic fumes.

But I does sort of like makes you have another take on maybe why people who have never smoked at all in their lives get cancer doesnt it?

If there is truth in any of this or is there any way apart from living on a desert Ireland and not using any soaps or anything to try and avoid cancer?

I dont fret about it personally, but Im just saying it does make you think ..... dont you think?

failinis · 26-08-2016 9:27pm

I think you could join Kneemos for a twin thread.

twinsen · 26-08-2016 9:32pm

In general even water cause cancer. Avoid!!!

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 9:33pm

failinis wrote: »

I think you could join Kneemos for a twin thread.

sorry do no understand ...

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 9:34pm

twinsen wrote: »

In general even water cause cancer. Avoid!!!

oh yeah i forgot water too

Tauriel · 26-08-2016 9:34pm

Just being alive in this day and age.

Cancer doesn't discriminate, if it wants you, it will get you, no matter how close you live your life to a saint. That's the sad truth.

Look through history at all of the diseases that plagued the world. This is our one and I can honestly say that I don't want to be around when the next one comes around. Because they only get worse.

26-08-2016 9:34pm

farts

Running Balance · 26-08-2016 9:36pm

Personally i believe eating too much red meat is a trigger for cancer.

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 9:37pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

farts

and cow farts?

buried · 26-08-2016 9:38pm

All the incidents here up in this timeline video probably haven't helped much

Corkgirl18 · 26-08-2016 9:44pm

Sun, alcohol, fumes of certain chemicals, exposure to radiation and certain viruses can cause cancer.

I think some things that increase your risk of getting cancer are obesity, lack of exercise, poor diet, aging and using sunbeds. There are concerns with using antiperspirants that contain aluminium on your skin but scientists aren't sure how much of the aluminium is absorbed.

My mother had cancer so ever since we she grows all our own veg and most of our fruit and refuses to use any sprays or pesticides. She also replaced all her beauty and hygiene products with more natural ones.

TerrorFirmer · 26-08-2016 9:56pm

mustang shelly wrote: »

Cancer doesn't discriminate, if it wants you, it will get you, no matter how close you live your life to a saint. That's the sad truth.

Look through history at all of the diseases that plagued the world. This is our one and I can honestly say that I don't want to be around when the next one comes around. Because they only get worse.

That's not true at all. Something like 70% of cancers are avoidable and stem from lifestyle factors or choices.

Yes, there always been and always will be an element of chance and poor fortune, but for the vast majority of cases, it is attributable to what we're doing, eating, or not doing in terms of exercise.

The notion that Cancer is totally random and strikes the healthy as much as it does the unhealthy is myth.

That's when it comes to non-elderly people. Cancer is more prevelant in older people now too, because they're living longer. If people lived long enough, everyone would get cancer eventually.

mad muffin · 26-08-2016 9:58pm

cunelingus

Savvy student · 26-08-2016 10:00pm

Don't forget Chem-trails

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-08-2016 10:02pm

Everything.
I think the only secret to a long life is be a bad bastard, and avoid men.

Capt'n Midnight · 26-08-2016 10:02pm

It's going to be difficult to avoid oxygen, sunlight and genetics.

Basically we are now living long enough to get cancer.

Your Face · 26-08-2016 10:05pm

Here is a few links:

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/

https://www.cancer.ie/cancer-information/about/causes-of-cancer#sthash.om5DZYJc.dpbs

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/basics/causes/con-20032378

Personally, Id like this thread locked.
It seems too serious a topic to be discussed here.

26-08-2016 10:07pm

I'd imagine a big cause of cancer is consuming too many calories over the course of your life, whether you are overweight as a result or not. Calorie restriction in animals has been shown to be one of the few things definitely associated with a longer life and I would wager that this is due to it being the case that the more biochemical energy being processed by an organism, the more often cell reproduction occurs and the higher the rate of cancer. I've read accounts of medieval peasants eating vast amounts of bread each day and Irish peasants eating a stone of potatoes a day, but I would guess that their annual diet was balanced out by months of hunger; many of us nowadays, on the other hand, have a constant supply of calories, year in year out, which was definitely not the norm for most over human history.

I'd guess also that the percentage of our lifetimes we spend sitting down/being sedentary is on average much higher than for most of history, and that this is associated with cancers of the colon - I know that my gut feels sluggish if I sit around for too long, too many days in a row...

Zxclnic · 26-08-2016 10:23pm

Green vegetables apparently, wholemeal brown bread...and climbing MacGillycuddy's Reeks.

Junkyard Tom · 26-08-2016 10:26pm

There's a fella up the road who had cancer but got bitten by a fly with malaria in it and the malaria attacked the cancer and cured him.

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 10:29pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There's a fella up the road who had cancer but got bitten by a fly with malaria in it and the malaria attacked the cancer and cured him.

you could be onto something if malaria cures cancer! :eek:

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 10:32pm

dunno whether another myth - woman kept hitting/knocking her breast of something repeatidly over time and got breast cancer right in that spot at a later date - she never apparently ever smoked - might be the repeated injury in the same spot - could be something in it maybe?

ScumLord · 26-08-2016 10:35pm

Life causes cancer, sure you can delay the inevitable by avoiding certain things, but then you're avoiding life. It's not like if you do everything the experts tell you you'll live forever. All that will happen is you'll get a few more years as an old haggard person.

The human machine isn't really supposed to be living as long as we do today. Wear and tear mounts up, if cancer doesn't get you something else will. So just enjoy yourself, don't worry about death it will come sooner or later, but it will come.

CelticRambler · 26-08-2016 10:44pm

The definitive guide to all causes of cancer: Daily Mail List of Things That Cause Cancer

... or the slightly more balanced version: The (New) Daily Mail Oncological Ontology Project which includes many things that can also cure cancer.

You can sleep easy in your bed now, knowing all that. :cool:

Mickey H · 26-08-2016 10:53pm

Brexit causes cancer.

26-08-2016 10:54pm

Another thing worth noting is that the average adult's body was significantly smaller, with less matter composing their bodies, in the past. If the average man was 4 inches shorter than today (and they were probably more than that for a lot of history once the low-protein diets of agricultural history became the way people fed themselves) then a man with a then-average BMI of, say, 21 at 5 foot 7 in the past weighed 61 kg versus 82 kg for a man 4 inches taller living today with a now-average BMI of, 25.2 This means there is 21 kg more "body" on the average man in which cancer cells could potentially form.* Of course these are back of the envelope calculations but the rough idea holds I think.

* 71 inches, weight 82 kg, gives 50th percentile for 30 year old man on this BMI calculator : http://halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm

Whether having less matter in ones body/ a smaller body leads to a significant reduction in the number of cells or just the size of the cells, I am not aware but if there were fewer cells, then there are less cells present in which cancer can begin.

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 11:00pm

mad muffin wrote: »

cunelingus

is that an Irish Airline?

ScumLord · 26-08-2016 11:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Another thing worth noting is that the average adult's body was significantly smaller, with less matter composing their bodies, in the past.

That's certainly true. I went to a excavation of a roman town today in Alicante Spain (lucentum) and there were graves of the moors (who took over he village after the Romans) and the graves were tiny. They looked more like the graves of children than adults.

I don't know how much of a difference that would have made though. It would kind of mean giraffes are more prone to cancer than mice. Or vikings would have been more prone to cancer than Mediterranean people. I haven't heard any evidence either way though, there could be something to it.

atilladehun · 26-08-2016 11:13pm

Witches.

picturehangup · 26-08-2016 11:24pm

I often wonder if the fallout from Chernobyl has anything to do with it.
After all, nuclear and highly toxic substances were blown right across Euorpe, and has contaminated soil, from which we grow our veggies, and which we are consuming every day. Surely this has something to do with it?
My husband developed cancer of the thyroid. Had two tumours, removed.
He was an orchestral wind player. This week they were suggesting that there was a link between wind players and cancer, due to toxic substances gradually building up inside the instrument, which in turn could be causing a potential carcinogenic effect on the performer. I think there is something in it.

Stigura · 26-08-2016 11:28pm

Mickey H wrote: »

Brexit causes cancer.

Maybe so. But; Neither Brexit, nor cancer can melt steel beams :cool:

uch · 26-08-2016 11:31pm

I can fit 4 old 2p's up each nostril

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 11:31pm

picturehangup wrote: »

I often wonder if the fallout from Chernobyl has anything to do with it.
After all, nuclear and highly toxic substances were blown right across Euorpe, and has contaminated soil, from which we grow our veggies, and which we are consuming every day. Surely this has something to do with it?
My husband developed cancer of the thyroid. Had two tumours, removed.
He was an orchestral wind player. This week they were suggesting that there was a link between wind players and cancer, due to toxic substances gradually building up inside the instrument, which in turn could be causing a potential carcinogenic effect on the performer. I think there is something in it.

yes i see that slot on sky news about the instruments - scary!

Stigura · 26-08-2016 11:33pm

Was reading this, today:

" Cornishman Cornwall, England
16 May 1923
GYPSY CENTENARIAN. WOMAN WHO LIVED FOR 107 YEARS WITHOUT AN ILLNESS. A gypsy woman, Askella Price, who died at the age of 107, was buried at Cardiff Thursday. She was the widow of Josiah Price, a member a gypsy family, vvho lived for many years in a caravan. "

Fill ye boots on ways not to get cancer!

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 11:36pm

you reckon they will ever really come up with a cure for Cancer though - I mean you imagine how many people would stand to loose their jobs that are in Cancer research and the drugs companies as well

Atlantic Dawn · 26-08-2016 11:42pm

Diesel car emissions, lucky our sensible government encouraged their use through low taxation and fuel duty so now over 2 in every 3 cars sold are diesel :rolleyes:

Andy From Sligo · 26-08-2016 11:47pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Diesel car emissions, lucky our sensible government encouraged their use through low taxation and fuel duty so now over 2 in every 3 cars sold are diesel :rolleyes:

whats more poisonous petrol or diesel vehicles?

questionmark? · 26-08-2016 11:57pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

dunno whether another myth - woman kept hitting/knocking her breast of something repeatidly over time and got breast cancer right in that spot at a later date - she never apparently ever smoked - might be the repeated injury in the same spot - could be something in it maybe?

What was the constant injury in the same part of her breast? Titty **** on the same spot Mondays, flick the nipple for 2 hours straight Thursdays??? Rubbish though how can you injure the exact same spot all the time?

Undercover Elephant · 26-08-2016 11:57pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

you reckon they will ever really come up with a cure for Cancer though - I mean you imagine how many people would stand to loose their jobs that are in Cancer research and the drugs companies as well

No, because cancer is an umbrella term for a vast range of conditions. They will be knocked down one by one. This is already happening. The survival rate for all cancers is now more than 50%, double what it was in the 1970s. Pharma still seems to make a profit though.

Andy From Sligo · 27-08-2016 12:02am

questionmark? wrote: »

What was the constant injury in the same part of her breast? Titty **** on the same spot Mondays, flick the nipple for 2 hours straight Thursdays??? Rubbish though how can you injure the exact same spot all the time?

haha

- something to do with her job i think, she worked on a production line and kept whacking her boob on something - I dunno it was some time ago i read about it ... contrary to belief i dunno everything!

RobertKK · 27-08-2016 12:22am

The lottery of who your parents are, as genetics play a big role too.
I know my cancer risk is low apart from skin cancer so I wear my sunscreen to help me out.

Pherekydes · 27-08-2016 12:27am

Stigura wrote: »

16 May 1923

My father's birthday!

YFlyer · 27-08-2016 12:46am

[qtuote="Andy From Sligo;100815682"]we have all heard about the dangers of smoking and that it can give you cancer but I wonder how many other have ever pondered and thought about other things we ingest or are subjected to on a daily basis - do you reckon theres any truth in it?

heres my (crackpot maybe) take on it:

We spray deodorants and perfumes, shaving foam, soaps, make-up and moisturisers and god knows what else into our skins, and washing powders and softener that goes onto your clothes and then them chemicals seeping in through your skin as you wear them ... now what if all those chemicals seep in through your skin , then go in your blood stream - I dunno, I suppose (if our kidneys are working ok) we pee all the chemicals out and we are OK.

Then we ingest vegetables that have been sprayed with god knows what and eat processed (not natural) food on a regular basis most of us.

And thats without all the radio waves, mobile phone masts , overhead electricity powerlines etc and cars and other vehicles pumping out toxic fumes.

But I does sort of like makes you have another take on maybe why people who have never smoked at all in their lives get cancer doesnt it?

If there is truth in any of this or is there any way apart from living on a desert Ireland and not using any soaps or anything to try and avoid cancer?

I dont fret about it personally, but Im just saying it does make you think ..... dont you think?[/quote]

All allowed by current practice.

One_Of_Shanks · 27-08-2016 1:00am

Everything does apparently.

One week's killer is next week's saviour.

Last week red wine saves ya, but next week it's lethal.

Chocolate is cancerous, but a few days later dark chocolate has anti-cancerous properties.

They don't know. They will one day. In the interim period, eat lots of chocolate, drink lots of wine and enjoy your short time on this earth because something will kill you one day.

cnocbui · 27-08-2016 1:03am

Frying and cooking with polyunsaturated oils. Hydrogenated anything.

Andy From Sligo · 27-08-2016 1:30am

heres another one I cant make me mind up whether truth or myth - read somewhere that if your person that gets run down a lot / always ill /always low in general health / low resistance are more at risk of getting Cancer and also negative people and worriers or stress can bring on Cancer - any truth in it you reckon?

Stigura · 27-08-2016 3:18am

Stigura wrote: »

16 May 1923

Pherekydes wrote: »

My father's birthday!

:pac: High Fives!

learn_more · 27-08-2016 4:05am

Taking selfies on your smartphone ( and posting them on facebook )

All that fake smiling ( the wrinkling up of the skin ) is really really bad for you and can cause mealoma.

Everyone should stop doing this immediately.

If your a really nice person and not a total cu*t then post this post on your facebook page help the message go viral. It will save lives. And you'll go to heaven.

B.A._Baracus · 27-08-2016 4:08am

Only my take... But in about 20 years or so something will be proven to cause cancer that we haven't a single clue about right now.

Surreptitious · 27-08-2016 5:18am

mad muffin wrote: »

cunelingus

If you do it like you spell it, we're all in trouble.

Thespoofer · 27-08-2016 5:22am

Stress

what other things cause cancer do you reckon?

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