Ryder Cup 2016

LuckyGent88 · 28-08-2016 04:47PM

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Especially with knox 4 over in the barclays

Much much much harder golf course though.
Kaymer just said if he was captain he would definitely give pieters a wildcard spot.

First Up · 28-08-2016 05:09PM

There seems to be an assumption that Westwood and Kaymer are already in.

I wonder.

The Rape of Lucretia · 28-08-2016 06:28PM

Westwood is the only one pretty much known. Kaymer is only an assumption though. But it is hard to see Dazzler going for Pieters and Knox, so he Kaymer does look likely.

Minderbinder · 28-08-2016 06:56PM

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Apparently for some, it's not possible to separate politics from sport, that's a shame and I feel sorry for those people, but the reality is and ye may not like it but it's true to say that golf is a 32 county sport governed by a single all Ireland body.

Most people don't give a ****e about the GUI, and why should they? I'm not supporting the GUI every week as if it's a football team. I'm hoping that the likes of Lowry do well for a number of reasons, one of which is I can relate to him because he's from my country, Ireland.

It's not about politics. It's about the fact that Northern Ireland and Ireland are two separate countries regardless of the GUI and these two countries have their differences in terms of personality and culture.

I don't remember Padraig or Shane raising aloft a GUI flag when they won tournaments.

So yes, I can understand that golf is governed as a 32 county sport (and nobody has suggested otherwise so I don't know why you keep going on about it) but that means absolutely shag all to most people.

Keano · 28-08-2016 08:21PM

Drop the nationality talk, it's boring and been done to death at this stage and ruins many good discussions

bigtimecharlie · 28-08-2016 08:59PM

Westwood, Kaymer and Pieters for me.

First Up · 28-08-2016 09:07PM

bigtimecharlie wrote:

Westwood, Kaymer and Pieters for me.

Me too. I can't warm to Knox and I don't think the chemistry would work in the team room. That might seem a minor thing but it seems to matter in the RC.

HighLine · 28-08-2016 09:23PM

Is Lee such a dead cert? I know he is in with Darren but, other than the Masters, he hasn't done much all year and his Ryder Cup singles record isn't great.

FixdePitchmark · 28-08-2016 09:23PM

Keano wrote: »

Drop the nationality talk, it's boring and been done to death at this stage and ruins many good discussions

Sorry Keano - But is nationality not an inherent aspect of the Ryder cup.

I find the nationality thing fascinating in the context of Rory and is an interesting aspect of golf in Ireland.

Sorry - not sure I can say above.

But the Ryder Cup does not exist without nationality.

Without an Irish golfer from (ROI) - I'd say many people would be up for US.

The Rape of Lucretia · 28-08-2016 10:09PM

The discussion wasnt on nationality anyway - which admittedly many of the previous Rors discussion were, particularly regarding the Olympics and his own tortured handling of the topic

This topic was whether it mattered to you to have a golfer from your own country on the team, and how it would have been nice to have one. Of course it would. It doesnt mean you dont support Europe. Italian fans would have like to have Molinari involved, Danes Kjeldsen, Austrian Wiesberger, or whatever. Some regard northern Ireland golfers, being previously GUI golfers, therefore one of 'ours' is on the team. Some dont. And the comment that an Eire golfer is not on the team is fair observation, and takes a little from the Cup for those with that view.

flogthebog · 28-08-2016 10:19PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Sorry Keano - But is nationality not an inherent aspect of the Ryder cup.

I find the nationality thing fascinating in the context of Rory and is an interesting aspect of golf in Ireland.

Sorry - not sure I can say above.

But the Ryder Cup does not exist without nationality.

Without an Irish golfer from (ROI) - I'd say many people would be up for US.

Since I mentioned ROI in the first place I would not agree that most people would support the US if no ROI player in European Team. There would be just less interest. Its not political. I support ROI soccer team over NI team because I live in ROI. I support ROI golfers over NI golfers for the same reason. Its not politics. If you live in Scotland you support scottish golfers over welsh or english golfers. There is nothing new here. You live on the same island but you have 'pride' in your area and support the folks within that area. Will not get drawn into a territorial argument other than to say if I have no ROI representative to support my next port of call will be an NI rep. So then I support McIlroy, McDowell, Clarke and the likes. Nothing strange about this as I see it

Seve OB · 28-08-2016 10:36PM

Can't believe there are no Dubs in be team. I mightn't bother watching it now....:rolleyes:

Rikand · 29-08-2016 08:16AM

Looking at this, I'd probably go Knox, Pieters, Kaymer

And I'd be feeling hard done by for Kjeldsen rather than Westwood

First Up · 29-08-2016 08:25AM

Rikand wrote: »

Looking at this, I'd probably go Knox, Pieters, Kaymer

And I'd be feeling hard done by for Kjeldsen rather than Westwood

Me too, but Clarke and Westwood are close friends and share the same management. I think Westwood has had his turn but no doubt Darren will rationalise it.

Hoof Hearted2 · 29-08-2016 09:28AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

Most people don't give a ****e about the GUI, and why should they? I'm not supporting the GUI every week as if it's a football team. I'm hoping that the likes of Lowry do well for a number of reasons, one of which is I can relate to him because he's from my country, Ireland.

It's not about politics. It's about the fact that Northern Ireland and Ireland are two separate countries regardless of the GUI and these two countries have their differences in terms of personality and culture.

I don't remember Padraig or Shane raising aloft a GUI flag when they won tournaments.

So yes, I can understand that golf is governed as a 32 county sport (and nobody has suggested otherwise so I don't know why you keep going on about it) but that means absolutely shag all to most people.

Good for you, you don't have to support or even understand what the GUI's role is in irish golf to appreciate the support they give to all golfers in Ireland, but clearly that is lost on the vast majority of recreational golfers, so be it, and the support they provide isn't lessened any by the lack of understanding of weekend warriors.
Anyway back to the Ryder Cup, go team U S of A.

abff · 29-08-2016 09:52AM

I think Darren will go for Westwood, Kaymer and Pieters.

What Pieters did yesterday was very reminiscent of 6 years ago, when Edoardo Molinari birdied the last three holes to win the final tournament before the team was picked and more or less forced Monty to give him a wild card. I think similar reasoning will apply here. After all, what you want on your team is someone who is playing well and has shown that he can handle pressure. Pieters did that in spades yesterday.

As for the other two wild card picks, if Peiters is picked, there will be 6 rookies in the team. I can't see Darren wanting to have more than half the team as rookies and will therefore go for experience. This means two out of Westwood, Kaymer and Donald and I think the first two have done more to justify a pick than Donald.

Golfgorfield · 29-08-2016 11:54AM

abff wrote: »

I think Darren will go for Westwood, Kaymer and Pieters.

What Pieters did yesterday was very reminiscent of 6 years ago, when Edoardo Molinari birdied the last three holes to win the final tournament before the team was picked and more or less forced Monty to give him a wild card. I think similar reasoning will apply here. After all, what you want on your team is someone who is playing well and has shown that he can handle pressure. Pieters did that in spades yesterday.

As for the other two wild card picks, if Peiters is picked, there will be 6 rookies in the team. I can't see Darren wanting to have more than half the team as rookies and will therefore go for experience. This means two out of Westwood, Kaymer and Donald and I think the first two have done more to justify a pick than Donald.

Westwood and Clarke were on holidays a few weeks ago, i get the feeling there was a heart to heart giving lee some bad news tbh.... If he was going to be in with a chance hed have played in denmark....

Kaymer
Knox
Pieters

This woudl prob be the morally correct 3 but who knows, its a big headache!

HighLine · 29-08-2016 12:01PM

I would agree thinking that Lee might be left out. Experience can only get you so far.... and current form should trump experience. And as I said above, Lee's singles Ryder Cup record isn't exactly great either.

Ormus · 29-08-2016 12:31PM

I'd be very surprised if Westwood is left out. If he wasn't assured of his place, he would've played in Denmark. If he'd won in Denmark it would've been outrageous to leave him out.

Seve OB · 29-08-2016 01:34PM

Ormus wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if Westwood is left out. If he wasn't assured of his place, he would've played in Denmark. If he'd won in Denmark it would've been outrageous to leave him out.

so by that logic it will be outrageous if he leaves out pieters

Ormus · 29-08-2016 01:47PM

Seve OB wrote: »

so by that logic it will be outrageous if he leaves out pieters

Pieters is unproven in Ryder Cups and at top level. Big difference. He's probably played in less majors than Westwood has top 10s.

Seve OB · 29-08-2016 01:57PM

Ormus wrote: »

Pieters is unproven in Ryder Cups and at top level. Big difference. He's probably played in less majors than Westwood has top 10s.

well going by that logic Clarke has no choice at all. He has to pick Monty :eek:

kiers47 · 29-08-2016 02:07PM

Seems to be a done deal according to Twitter. Westwood, Kaymer and Donald

Ormus · 29-08-2016 02:09PM

Seve OB wrote: »

well going by that logic Clarke has no choice at all. He has to pick Monty :eek:

For the sake of argument, if Monty had won in Denmark, there would be a case for him. Westwood hasn't had an awful year though, runner up in the Masters, 32nd in the US Open and 20th in the Open. Still competitive.

Rikand · 29-08-2016 02:09PM

kiers47 wrote: »

Seems to be a done deal according to Twitter. Westwood, Kaymer and Donald

If i believed everything i read on twitter.....

kiers47 · 29-08-2016 02:13PM

Rikand wrote: »

If i believed everything i read on twitter.....

2000x more accurate than some of the trash on here

abff · 29-08-2016 02:15PM

kiers47 wrote: »

Seems to be a done deal according to Twitter. Westwood, Kaymer and Donald

I think that Darren may well have had that combination in mind before yesterday. But I think Pieters may have forced his hand. Then again, who knows what Darren might do.

Eric the Eagle · 29-08-2016 02:57PM

I think Westwood, Kaymer and Donald makes a lot of sense. The team is lacking a bit in experience.

Donald's form has picked up recently and he has a good record with Garcia.

Would feel sorry for Pieters and Knox too.

HighLine · 29-08-2016 04:00PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/2016/08/29/luke-donald-set-for-wildcard-pick-in-darren-clarkes-ryder-cup-si/

Wouldn't agree with this selection at all. I would not be picking Westwood and Donald but then again, think Darren knows a little more about the game than I do.

kiers47 · 29-08-2016 08:23PM

All the big hitting late money has come for Pieters. Some hefty bets matched on Betfair late so I'd imagine Pieters looks the pick which is pretty fair in fairness. Maybe Luke was the pick until Sunday. We will know soon enough anyway.

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