Ryder Cup 2016

Mantis Toboggan

First Up wrote: »

Has he played enough events?

Yes

Bandana boy

Current Standings

European Tour
1 Rory MCILROY
2 Danny WILLETT
3 Henrik STENSON
4 Chris WOOD

World points
5 Sergio GARCIA
6 Justin ROSE
7 Rafa CABRERA BELLO
8 Andy SULLIVAN
9 Matthew FITZPATRICK

There are 6 people between Lowry and automatic qualification
And 10 for Mcdowell

Going to need some serious movement on their behalf to close that gap

LuckyGent88

As of today the first 9 players for Europe are set.

Stenson
Rose
Rory
Willet
Wood
Sullivan
Fitzpatrick
Cabrera bello
Garcia.

That's five rookies already and I think we are really going to struggle this year. American side is looking quite strong.

Think Westwood and kaymer will definetly get picks. Reckon Russell Knox gets the final spot then.

vienne86

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

As of today the first 9 players for Europe are set.

Stenson
Rose
Rory
Willet
Wood
Sullivan
Fitzpatrick
Cabrera bello
Garcia.

That's five rookies already and I think we are really going to struggle this year. American side is looking quite strong.

Think Westwood and kaymer will definetly get picks. Reckon Russell Knox gets the final spot then.

Yes, I think Westwood and Kaymer are definites, but it's hard to know who will get the third pick. I have always felt that this year would be difficult for Europe - Clark has a job on his hands.

Golfgorfield

vienne86 wrote: »

Yes, I think Westwood and Kaymer are definites, but it's hard to know who will get the third pick. I have always felt that this year would be difficult for Europe - Clark has a job on his hands.

Id say his job is actually quite easy, Westwood is a shoo in, the world can see that, Knox is also a shoo in, WGC winner, recent PGA tour win, based in America, it woudl be very surprising to everyone if he didn't pick Kaymer, hes showing form and nobody can argue his credentials, the only small niggle is he has the chipping yips, but thats less of an issue in matchplay.
Id guess everyone thats on the fringes pretty much knows hel go with those 3, McDowell is miles off, Lowry has disappeared since the US Open, Lingmerth would be an outside bet ahead of Kaymer as hes also based in USA and is a winner. I dont buy the whole "too many rookies" thing, these guys are all world class, Willett is a rookie for example!

HighLine

Definitely agree with the above... only player I'd have concerns about though is Willett. He has had a very lackluster couple of months since his Masters victory and 3rd at BMW.

Seve OB

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Id say his job is actually quite easy, Westwood is a shoo in, the world can see that, Knox is also a shoo in, WGC winner, recent PGA tour win, based in America, it woudl be very surprising to everyone if he didn't pick Kaymer, hes showing form and nobody can argue his credentials, the only small niggle is he has the chipping yips, but thats less of an issue in matchplay.
Id guess everyone thats on the fringes pretty much knows hel go with those 3, McDowell is miles off, Lowry has disappeared since the US Open, Lingmerth would be an outside bet ahead of Kaymer as hes also based in USA and is a winner. I dont buy the whole "too many rookies" thing, these guys are all world class, Willett is a rookie for example!

good synopsis there. have to say I agree with you about the rookies. I certainly wouldn't be worrying about willet. i'm sure his bro will melt twitter down again.

Fitzpatrick maybe my only concern, but more cause of his age. if he can get over the whole experience thing and settle down to play golf though, he could be alright

RikkFlair

Agree the picks should be Westwood Kaymer and Knox, though if Kjeldsen or Pieters win this week it could be interesting for the last pick.

DellyBelly

Anyone think not making the Ryder Cup will dent Lowry's confidence. It must have been one of his major goals this year and I thought he was going to kick on after the US open but he's been very dissapointing since.

Even though McDowell doesn't look like he will get a place he still hasn't had a bad year. Top 5 position yesterday and in the top 30 of the Fed Ex.

Golfgorfield

Seve OB wrote: »

good synopsis there. have to say I agree with you about the rookies. I certainly wouldn't be worrying about willet. i'm sure his bro will melt twitter down again.

Fitzpatrick maybe my only concern, but more cause of his age. if he can get over the whole experience thing and settle down to play golf though, he could be alright

Id be least concerned about Fitzpatrick, his matchplay record is fantastic, and it seems he is extremely popular, id be concerned about Sullivan though, his game wouldn't be ideal for the US courses but he wil make a good 4Somes partner id imagine.

Johnny_Fontane

Id be concerned about all those rookies. even willett. USA will be going in strong favourites, their team is looking super strong with experience.

Seve OB

DellyBelly wrote: »

Anyone think not making the Ryder Cup will dent Lowry's confidence.

no

Golfgorfield

Paddypower must know something that we dont... Thats extremely short odds for Mcdowell, Paddy is rarely wrong


European Wildcards
Martin Kaymer 1/100

Lee Westwood 1/50

Graeme Mcdowell 4/11

Russell Knox 2/1

Seve OB

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Paddypower must know something that we dont... Thats extremely short odds for Mcdowell, Paddy is rarely wrong


European Wildcards
Martin Kaymer 1/100

Lee Westwood 1/50

Graeme Mcdowell 4/11

Russell Knox 2/1

well I would definitely say it would be a safe bet to go with Lee & Martin.

G'Mac... I'm not so sure, but a possibility alright. I really thought Knox would have been favourite of him though

Golfgorfield

Seve OB wrote: »

well I would definitely say it would be a safe bet to go with Lee & Martin.

G'Mac... I'm not so sure, but a possibility alright. I really thought Knox would have been favourite of him though

Me too, Paddy very rarely is wrong though! Starting to think it might be a Done deal looking at that tbh......

Clarke can give the reasoning as he needed more experience etc etc if he wants to go with Gmac instead of Knox.

Rikand

GMac played decent at the weekend to be fair

if Luke Donald wanted to give himself a squeak he did himself no harm with his performance at the weekend. Himself and Sergio are undefeated in foursomes and 5-1 as a pairing. Donald still has a great Ryder Cup record too. If Clarke is looking at GMac as a form player, he could do the same with Donald....

Webbs

There will be a fair bit of disquiet from fans and British media if GMac gets in ahead of Knox.

Irish jobs for the boys will be mentioned, especially as there would then be no representation from Scotland or Wales. That of course shouldn't matter but has that stopped the UK press from being fair! Previous Ryder Cups have had little or no distractions on that front.

Dbu

He has to pick Russell Knox if he is picking players on form...but then again Darren Clarke is choosing...so anything could happen

Would be extremely harsh on Knox to be left out IMO

HighLine

The talk of Gmac made me remember his partnership with Dubuisson in 2014... a great pairing with Gmac playing the mentor's role perfectly. Crazy to think how Dubuisson has disappeared after the promise he showed during 2014. Only thing he is remembered for this year is beating the sh*t out of his own bag in a temper tantrum.

Benicetomonty

Dbu wrote: »

He has to pick Russell Knox if he is picking players on form...but then again Darren Clarke is choosing...so anything could happen

Would be extremely harsh on Knox to be left out IMO

Knox isn't owed anything by anyone. He only joined the European Tour after winning the WGC, so I'd doubt his commitment. He could've played an extra couple of tournaments if he'd really wanted to nail a place down...even Kaymer is playing in Denmark with no chance of automatic qualification. Gmac and Donald couldve done more also tbf, but they both have proven themselves on the Ryder Cup stage. Knox hasn't. And he's another rookie when they have enough already. Plus let's not forget what happened the last time a captain was pressured into picking a Scot! #StevieG

BigChap1759

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Knox isn't owed anything by anyone. He only joined the European Tour after winning the WGC, so I'd doubt his commitment. He could've played an extra couple of tournaments if he'd really wanted to nail a place down...even Kaymer is playing in Denmark with no chance of automatic qualification. Gmac and Donald couldve done more also tbf, but they both have proven themselves on the Ryder Cup stage. Knox hasn't. And he's another rookie when they have enough already. Plus let's not forget what happened the last time a captain was pressured into picking a Scot! #StevieG

I thought it weird too that Knox had the chance to play the week after his win and book an automatic spot but declined saying he thought he had done everything he could - surely he would have played if he was really committed to the team???

Rikand

Stevieg really got the short end of the stick last time out. Paired with Poulter who was truly awful, had it not been for Stevieg they would have been beaten a lot quicker. He was the only one to muster up a birdie but yet he was scapegoated. He was also the only one who managed to win a hole.

http://www.rydercup.com/europe/scoring/scorecard/1/103

Johnny_Fontane

Totally agree Rikand. Poulter was absolute muck in the last ryder cup. He chips in from 40 yards once and suddenly he's still the hero.

I worry hugely for Europe this time around. The Americans look like only having one rookie to our 6. On US Soil, this is a massive ask. And really, a large number of our players have little or no experience on the PGA Tour.

We're gonna need another miracle, this time at Hazeltine!

Golfgorfield

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Knox isn't owed anything by anyone. He only joined the European Tour after winning the WGC, so I'd doubt his commitment. He could've played an extra couple of tournaments if he'd really wanted to nail a place down...even Kaymer is playing in Denmark with no chance of automatic qualification. Gmac and Donald couldve done more also tbf, but they both have proven themselves on the Ryder Cup stage. Knox hasn't. And he's another rookie when they have enough already. Plus let's not forget what happened the last time a captain was pressured into picking a Scot! #StevieG

Picking Stevie Gallagher was a great move for Mcginley, it really increased th crowds interest and for sure helped the atmosphere, regardless of the results, he actually played some decent golf in the singles vs Mickleson.

joxer1988

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Paddypower must know something that we dont... Thats extremely short odds for Mcdowell, Paddy is rarely wrong


European Wildcards
Martin Kaymer 1/100

Lee Westwood 1/50

Graeme Mcdowell 4/11

Russell Knox 2/1

Paddy have flipped on the two lads now...

Russell Knox 4/6

Graeme McDowell 11/8

Johnny_Fontane

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Picking Stevie Gallagher was a great move for Mcginley, it really increased th crowds interest and for sure helped the atmosphere, regardless of the results, he actually played some decent golf in the singles vs Mickleson.

It was an easy move too, because he was 10th in the standings aswell.

charlieIRL

Gambling chat belongs in the gambling thread lads, thanks.

Benicetomonty

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Picking Stevie Gallagher was a great move for Mcginley, it really increased th crowds interest and for sure helped the atmosphere, regardless of the results, he actually played some decent golf in the singles vs Mickleson.

All true tbf. Ah, I didnt begrudge Gallagher, McGinely wouldv been most unpopular had he not picked him, its just a shame he came up against v hot opposition (Mickleson and I think Spieth and Reed on Friday morning).

I do think Clarke will have a bit more freedom with his picks however. Just dont see Knox bringing as much to the team as McDowell or Donald, and I think Westy and Kaymer are v hard to leave out.

Golfgorfield

Benicetomonty wrote: »

All true tbf. Ah, I didnt begrudge Gallagher, McGinely wouldv been most unpopular had he not picked him, its just a shame he came up against v hot opposition (Mickleson and I think Spieth and Reed on Friday morning).

I do think Clarke will have a bit more freedom with his picks however. Just dont see Knox bringing as much to the team as McDowell or Donald, and I think Westy and Kaymer are v hard to leave out.

I really cant see anyone but Knox being picked now, Mcdowell is 177th in strokes gained putting on the PGA tour this year, thats horrific!! Clarke is using the same stats system McGinley used so id say Gmac is fairly low down.

Golfgorfield

So te times for Denmark,

Clarke - Pieters - Sullivan

Paul Lawrie - Lowry - Kjeldsen

Bjorn - kaymer - Karlsson


Clarke has played with Pieters a lot this year, while id say Lawrie was put with the other 2 as a kind of im watching you situation to see how they perform under scrutiny.

Maybe a twist of 2 to come, who knows.