Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Westernyelp · 28-08-2016 04:17PM

No unbeatable teams in that other Semi final after seeing the first half!

PressRun · 28-08-2016 04:18PM

Nope. As long as Kerry go and finish the job now. We don't want a draw, imo.

mass_debater · 28-08-2016 04:19PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

No unbeatable teams in that other Semi final after seeing the first half!

I'd still prefer face Dublin

Grueller · 28-08-2016 04:19PM

Looking better for ye now. I reckon ye have the tools to handle Kerry but would struggle with Dublin.

km79 · 28-08-2016 04:21PM

mass_debater wrote: »

I'd still prefer face Dublin

Why ???????
If Dublin overcome this now they will be even more dangerous

PressRun · 28-08-2016 04:24PM

km79 wrote: »

Why ???????
If Dublin overcome this now they will be even more dangerous

If Dublin battle back, they will be more than ready for the final and won't be beaten, imo. I'd be a bit wary of Kerry still though. Mayo struggle to beat them at the best of times and they could come on a lot if they win this match. They'll take a lot of confidence from it and will be very difficult to beat. A close run thing or God forbid a draw isn't great for us either way. Neither look unbeatable though.

padd b1975 · 28-08-2016 04:37PM

Still fancy Dublin to come through here reasonably comfortably in the end.

mass_debater · 28-08-2016 04:51PM

km79 wrote: »

Why ???????
If Dublin overcome this now they will be even more dangerous

Because Kerry can be playing bad, look completely off form and still manage to match you score for score. Dublin we can beat on our day, we're mostly within a point of them

PARlance · 28-08-2016 04:59PM

km79 wrote: »

Why ???????
If Dublin overcome this now they will be even more dangerous

I really don't get this fear of Dublin from us. Yes, they're a very good team but as has been witnessed today, they can be got at. We know how close we came to them 12 months ago.

Kerry are packed full of serious forwards, 4-5 lads that would keep you awake at night. I wouldn't fear the Dublin forwards as much, they're great athletes and very dangerous but don't have the football in them that Kerry have (bar KmcM & DC).

I'm stil hoping for a Dublin win.

PARlance · 28-08-2016 05:06PM

Bring on the Dubs!

statto25 · 28-08-2016 05:07PM

I can't wait for the 18th of September. CMON MAYO!

martyos121 · 28-08-2016 05:11PM

Happier with Dublin than Kerry. Yes they're the stronger team but we always give them a game, while we've a tendency to crumble against Kerry.

No pressure on us this year is a bit of a bonus. People will expect Dublin to run through us, that scenario often leads to us playing a brilliant game of football.

Roll on the 18th!

blinding · 28-08-2016 05:15PM

It sure would be nice to beat the Dubs in the All Ireland Final .

You have to beat whoever has earned the right to be there .

So , that's the way it's going to have to be .

Padkir · 28-08-2016 05:39PM

blinding wrote: »

It sure would be nice to beat the Dubs in the All Ireland Final .

You have to beat whoever has earned the right to be there .

So , that's the way it's going to have to be .

I think the team should take great faith in the fact that Kerry were poor enough today, very sloppy and wasteful for much of that game and we're still only beaten by 2 points.

Utopia Parkway · 28-08-2016 05:44PM

Padkir wrote: »

I think the team should take great faith in the fact that Kerry were poor enough today, very sloppy and wasteful for much of that game and we're still only beaten by 2 points.

Mainly thanks to a 10 minute meltdown from Cluxton in fairness.

PressRun · 28-08-2016 05:48PM

There are no excuses for not putting pressure on Cluxton based on today and it's not like he hasn't had a meltdown like that before.

Padkir · 28-08-2016 05:49PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Mainly thanks to a 10 minute meltdown from Cluxton in fairness.

But much of that was due to pressure put on by the forwards, which Mayo can do as well if not better than most if they play that way, which you'd think they have to after watching that.

Kerry backed off again in the 2nd half inexplicably and Dublin came back fighting. Why not keep the pressure on? Unfortunate timing of the break but no excuse not to start 2nd half like they finished the first.

Loafing Oaf · 28-08-2016 06:00PM

PARlance wrote: »

I really don't get this fear of Dublin from us. Yes, they're a very good team but as has been witnessed today, they can be got at. .

They're clearly the best team in the country, should have won every all-Ireland this decade. Yes they have off-days (including today tbh) but I'd give Mayo a better chance against anyone else in an AIF...

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-08-2016 06:11PM

They are really going to have the game of their lives.

Dublin are beatable there is no doubt about that but things with have to go really well for Mayo.

Can't wait for it.

28-08-2016 06:11PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

They're clearly the best team in the country, should have won every all-Ireland this decade. Yes they have off-days (including today tbh) but I'd give Mayo a better chance against anyone else in an AIF...

Well thats bullshít. 2010, they lost to Cork and to be fair they drove alot of wides that day but champions drive them over the bar. Dublin really only became the package they are under Gavin although his predecessor set the cornerstones. They lost to the better team in both the 2012 and 2014 semi finals (Mayo and Donegal).

Dublin play a nice brand of football to be fair and credit them for keeping to an attacking philosophy. If more teams follow their lead (and tbf we play an attacking brand of football here in Tipp) then we might see the back of these ugly negative systems. Great that the four teams left in this years semi finals are all attacking although Mayo were surprisingly a bit more defensive last weekend.

Brusna · 28-08-2016 07:17PM

So Kerry tried our trick today i.e. Hold on for 20 play for 15 and try to hold on in the second half.

It didn't work!

We need to be better than what we have shown so far this year but from what I seen today we have a very good chance against Dublin in the final but only if we are at our best.

seligehgit · 28-08-2016 07:31PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Mainly thanks to a 10 minute meltdown from Cluxton in fairness.

Yes we've got to pressure the Cluxton kickout...same scenario in the drawn semi final last year.Only for that 10 minute meltdown today Dublin would have won that game comfortably.The athleticism of the Dublin team is what makes them stand out,absolutely staggering.Who's going to be the person assigned to keep Cian O Sullivan honest/busy?

I hope it is spilling rain...lol so that Aidan O Shea is not run ragged on the Cluxton kickout and as the game enters the last 15 minutes.Our best chance of beating them is going toe to toe as in the 2013 final and not conceding any silly goals.When we set up defensively in the last year's semi final(first game) and conceded the kickouts we were at sea.When all seemed lost and in the last 10 minutes we ran at them they were vulnerable.Let's not concede the Cluxton kickouts and swamp the midfield.

The strength of the Dublin bench killed us last year in the replay,plus ca change.

I can't imagine there is a no snowballs chance of Barry Moran starting now unless Gavin pulls an unlikely fast one and starts O Gara.Tom Parsons has got to start.

We are probably the best equipped team to beat Dublin but we're going to play the game of our lives to win and shoot the lights out.

PARlance · 28-08-2016 07:38PM

seligehgit wrote: »

The strength of the Dublin bench killed us last year in the replay,plus ca change.

They've still massive strength in dept but I think we've come on a lot in terms of overall strenght too. Still not a match but much closer than last year imo.

Bunny Colvin · 28-08-2016 07:41PM

Brusna wrote: »

So Kerry tried our trick today i.e. Hold on for 20 play for 15 and try to hold on in the second half.

It didn't work!

We need to be better than what we have shown so far this year but from what I seen today we have a very good chance against Dublin in the final but only if we are at our best.

I don't think it was a tactic. The didn't have the legs Dublin had and it showed in the last ten minutes.

I'm hoping that we have one performance in us, something close to seventy minutes. I'm also hoping that Dublin don't bring their A game and we see Cluxton have a meltdown, Connolly swinging at Lee Keegan etc etc.

One thing I thought to myself as well today: Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, David Clarke - the older players in the panel - know it's near the last chance saloon, they'll know more than anyone that it's do or die to a certain extent.

Experience also tells me that this team have never been beaten due to a lack of desire, so I've no doubt we'll leave everything on the pitch three Sunday's from now.

Mayo are capable of being brilliant, we've seen flashes of it this year but to beat this Dublin team it will have to be something like we saw in 2012 when we were 10 points up. Momentum, clinical finishing and winning the kickouts/50 50 balls. That's the type of performance we will need. Paddypower have it right at 5/2, it's a hard ask but we've definitely a chance of winning it. Nothing to lose now.

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-08-2016 07:46PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes we've got to pressure the Cluxton kickout...same scenario in the drawn semi final last year.Only for that 10 minute meltdown today Dublin would have won that game comfortably.The athleticism of the Dublin team is what makes them stand out,absolutely staggering.Who's going to be the person assigned to keep Cian O Sullivan honest/busy?

I hope it is spilling rain...lol so that Aidan O Shea is not run ragged on the Cluxton kickout and as the game enters the last 15 minutes.Our best chance of beating them is going toe to toe as in the 2013 final and not conceding any silly goals.When we set up defensively in the last year's semi final(first game) and conceded the kickouts we were at sea.When all seemed lost and in the last 10 minutes we ran at them they were vulnerable.Let's not concede the Cluxton kickouts and swamp the midfield.

The strength of the Dublin bench killed us last year in the replay,plus ca change.

I can't imagine there is a no snowballs chance of Barry Moran starting now unless Gavin pulls an unlikely fast one and starts O Gara.Tom Parsons has got to start.

We are probably the best equipped team to beat Dublin but we're going to play the game of our lives to win and shoot the lights out.

But pressuring kick outs is an energy sapping task, and you need to save that energy for the last 15 mins when Dublin clear the bench.

So they will have to pick their spots to pressire him.

By the way I said a few months ago that it was better we keep avoiding Dublin in the draw and let others show Dublin's weakness at their own expense.

I think that has worked the last few games, we have seen plenty of Dublin lately.

corny · 28-08-2016 08:08PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But pressuring kick outs is an energy sapping task, and you need to save that energy for the last 15 mins when Dublin clear the bench.

So they will have to pick their spots to pressire him.

By the way I said a few months ago that it was better we keep avoiding Dublin in the draw and let others show Dublin's weakness at their own expense.

I think that has worked the last few games, we have seen plenty of Dublin lately.

Kerry withdrew in the second half because Cluxton was obviously told if they push up (its easy to spot with them waving their arms) drill it over the top of them. He did that immediately after the restart if memory serves. Pushing up would have left Kerry exposed if Cluxton wasn't willing to play their game, especially given how dominant Dublin were in midfield. Kerry adapted immediately and didn't bother thereafter. The right thing to do.

Begs the question why does Cluxton get so involved in the nonsense. I'm full sure its not panic or the pressure getting to him. He just seems so obstinate in refusing to accept the opposition have forced his hand to kick it long. Ends up forcing stupid passes to the detriment of obvious pragmatism. Baffling stuff.

I'd say if anyone is above criticism in the dressing room its him but i hope Gavin gives him a serious dressing down. He needs it. You can bet your life Mayo will try replicate the pressure on his first kickout in the final.

tacofries · 28-08-2016 08:15PM

I can feel it lads and ladies, Sam will be returning to Mayo on that third Sunday in September. Cannot wait to hear the green and red of mayo being played fully in Croker Park. Today's game really got the adrenaline going! &#55357;&#56474;❤

seligehgit · 28-08-2016 08:22PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Happier with Dublin than Kerry. Yes they're the stronger team but we always give them a game, while we've a tendency to crumble against Kerry.

No pressure on us this year is a bit of a bonus. People will expect Dublin to run through us, that scenario often leads to us playing a brilliant game of football.

Roll on the 18th!

I understand the context of your remark,we're rank outsiders...5/2 is about right.But there is a pressure on us,the burden of history...no All Ireland since 1951,65 long years of hurt and counting.In addition seven successive All Ireland final defeats since 1989.

Brusna · 28-08-2016 08:32PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I don't think it was a tactic. The didn't have the legs Dublin had and it showed in the last ten minutes.

I'm hoping that we have one performance in us, something close to seventy minutes. I'm also hoping that Dublin don't bring their A game and we see Cluxton have a meltdown, Connolly swinging at Lee Keegan etc etc.

One thing I thought to myself as well today: Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, David Clarke - the older players in the panel - know it's near the last chance saloon, they'll know more than anyone that it's do or die to a certain extent.

Experience also tells me that this team have never been beaten due to a lack of desire, so I've no doubt we'll leave everything on the pitch three Sunday's from now.

Mayo are capable of being brilliant, we've seen flashes of it this year but to beat this Dublin team it will have to be something like we saw in 2012 when we were 10 points up. Momentum, clinical finishing and winning the kickouts/50 50 balls. That's the type of performance we will need. Paddypower have it right at 5/2, it's a hard ask but we've definitely a chance of winning it. Nothing to lose now.

That comment was tongue in cheek, but your post is spot on, 100% agree.

martyos121 · 28-08-2016 10:26PM

seligehgit wrote: »

I understand the context of your remark,we're rank outsiders...5/2 is about right.But there is a pressure on us,the burden of history...no All Ireland since 1951,65 long years of hurt and counting.In addition seven successive All Ireland final defeats since 1989.

Absolutely no argument with any of that, I just think it's gotten to the stage where nobody outside of Mayo and many in it believe we can win it. All the pressure is coming from inside the county to go out and do it so I was wrong in saying there was none, but this isn't Donegal in 2012 or Dublin in 2013 where we looked strong all year and tipped by many to win the thing, most of the papers and media already have Dublin's name on Sam again. I feel that relieves the burden just a bit on the lads.

I really think this is the chance to end the drought though, lot of players entering the twilight of their playing years and as Bunny rightly said, it's do or die for them. It's said every year, but if we lose again, it's hard to see them doing any better next year.

Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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