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Jewish Graves Vandalised in Belfast

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Bambi wrote: »
    The brethren up north have a fairly long history of vandalizing republican graves

    the OP probably is'nt aware of that though

    Graves and memorials have been targetted a few times up North.

    I can see why suspicion might fall on the Nationalist community given the address, damage caused to British Army graves there in the past etc. Not sure about the Celtic link...


  • #33
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭horsebox1977


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Eh, Celtic shinbots waving hamas flags...like CONSTANTLY.

    The loyalist tend to pro Zionist.

    Honestly is your world view really that infantile and archaic? Things up north be different. Even the BNP is pro Isreal.

    I am pro Isreal myself and I hate the BNP and Orange Order.

    Our lives and society are more complex than either daily mail and Guardian editorials my friend.

    I've only ever seen Celtic supporters waving Palestine flags. Not Hamas flags.

    I agree that Loyalists tend to be pro Israel but they also have links to C18 and other Nazi groups.

    It's quite ironic, don't you think.

    This gentleman is a regular contributor to the BelTel and other NI social media forums before he was named and shamed.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/nazi-grandad-regrets-swastika-tattoo-34841173.html


  • #34
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Can't wa all agree that they're all nutjobs up north.

    I honestly don't think that smashing up jewish graves is beyond the fringes of either side.


  • #35
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Calahonda52 wrote: »
    The current Treasury Sec in the US is one, Jack Lew, who is driving the pro Apple tax case against the EC, and also had a hand in the no bondholders burning deal, Phase II.
    Jews hold considerable financial power in the US and the deal Tim Geithner forced on Ire Inc re Anglo etc was driven in large measure by Jews in Wall Street.

    Ah it was the Jews fault, I thought so.


  • #36
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Because you're presumptive and possibly biased.

    No, because recently there has been aggro between Celtic fans and Israelis.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/27/why-celtic-fans-flew-flag-for-palestine
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/champions-league/israeli-police-warn-celtic-fans-not-to-fly-palestinian-flags-on-tuesday-night-1.2765691


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  • #37
    ClovenHoof
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Can't wa all agree that they're all nutjobs up north.

    I honestly don't think that smashing up jewish graves is beyond the fringes of either side.

    Jokers to the left, jokers to the right...

    ...here I am stuck in the middle with Jews.


  • #38
    mailforkev
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    Did we find out if they were Catholic Jews or Protestant Jews?


  • #39
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Lowest of the low


  • #40
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭horsebox1977


    goose2005 wrote: »
    No, because recently there has been aggro between Celtic fans and Israelis.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/27/why-celtic-fans-flew-flag-for-palestine
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/champions-league/israeli-police-warn-celtic-fans-not-to-fly-palestinian-flags-on-tuesday-night-1.2765691

    That doesn't link them to vandalising graves in Belfast nor does it make them anti-Semitic either.

    Funny that Celtic face a fine for a a political emblem yet we have a poppy embased on footballers shirts right across the UK. How odd.


  • #41
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein response to it indicates it was. Seen it plenty of times with anti Jewish rhetoric.

    Any chance of a link to some anti-Jewish rhetoric from Sinn Féin? Or are you just making things up?

    Funnily enough I'm a Republican and have no bother at all interacting or socialising with Jewish friends and colleagues on a regular basis. Likewise in Israel itself I managed to get on with most people I met.

    This automatic conflation of being critical of Israel as a state and its policies with Jewish people is an unfair and highly disingenuous trait, usually undertaken by people seeking to imply anything and everything toward those who rightly criticise Israel's policy of dispossession and colonisation.

    I'm always a bit baffled by people who defend Israel to the hilt; something tells me if they had to spend a few days in a refugee camp in the West Bank or wintnessed soldiers in armoured ploughs demolishing a village olive grove they'd think a bit differently.


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  • #42
    getzls
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    horsebox1977 wrote: »
    How do you know the perpetrators were wearing Celtic jerseys, Celtic fans or even Nationalists?

    Lots of Loyalist groups have links to C18 and other Nazi groups, ironic enough that they also 'stand with Israel' but that's another topic.
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.


  • #43
    getzls
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    horsebox1977 wrote: »
    How do you know the perpetrators were wearing Celtic jerseys, Celtic fans or even Nationalists?

    Lots of Loyalist groups have links to C18 and other Nazi groups, ironic enough that they also 'stand with Israel' but that's another topic.
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.


  • #44
    getzls
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    Bambi wrote: »
    The brethren up north have a fairly long history of vandalizing republican graves

    the OP probably is'nt aware of that though
    Just do a Google, damage to War Graves in Belfast to see who really does the destruction.
    Also have a wee look at the story of the damage done to the memorial or the 3 Scottish Soldiers that were murdered.


  • #45
    Riddle101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    This is all just speculation and finger pointing. There's no proof as to which side actually did the deed. Hell it could have been a bunch of rowdy teenagers looking to do some vandalism cause they got bored for all we know. Best to wait until there's some more closure I think.

    Either way, it's disgraceful whoever did vandalize those graves.


  • #46
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    getzls wrote: »
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.

    So the fact a Catholic bishop condemns this means it was perpetrated by Celtic fans/Catholics/Republicans/etc.

    That is one very weak argument.

    It may well have been nationalists, but from what we know it may well have Loyalists. Hell, it could have been a few local ISIS sympathisers.


  • #47
    The_Kew_Tour
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    I hope whoever did this gets their bad luck

    Would they like it to happen to their family?

    EVENFLOW



  • #48
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭horsebox1977


    getzls wrote: »
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.

    Again speculation and some sweeping statements there but that's to be expected.
    Them un's constantly claiming the moral high ground.

    Graves from both communities gets vandalised which is wrong and should be condemned and stopped.

    It's a despicable thing to be doing.


  • #49
    LordSutch
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    I wonder will we get to hear who desecrated the graves & why :confused:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/28/jewish-graves-desecrated-belfast-cemetery

    There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to their actions.


  • #50
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    Collie D wrote: »
    getzls wrote: »
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.

    So the fact a Catholic bishop condemns this means it was perpetrated by Celtic fans/Catholics/Republicans/etc.

    That is one very weak argument.

    It may well have been nationalists, but from what we know it may well have Loyalists. Hell, it could have been a few local ISIS sympathisers.
    I didn't mention Celtic supporters.
    Well, yes it may have been a few ISIS supporters who also support Palestinian terrorism and the IRA.


  • #51
    Wigglepuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    getzls wrote: »
    Maybe because a RC Bishop condemned it.
    Or the fact the cemetery is in a strong Nationlalist / Republican area.
    Him!!@ Loyalists side ingredients with the only democratic State in the middle east, sounds fair to me.
    Especially compared to Nationalists supporting a Palestinian terrorism.
    Republicans showing their true colours by supporting their fellow Terrorists.
    The bishop bit is hilarious - yes, condemnation by him must mean it was republicans. :D

    Loyalists don't side with Israel because of it being the only democratic state in the middle east (particularly the ones who have buddies in far right extremist organisations), they pretend to side with it because of republicans and nationalists supporting Palestine.


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  • #52
    horsebox1977
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    getzls wrote: »
    I didn't mention Celtic supporters.
    Well, yes it may have been a few ISIS supporters who also support Palestinian terrorism and the IRA.

    Or a few as you call them Prod's who support Israel and the Nazi's.

    You can bow out with a traditional 'Ulster salute'.

    #madeupyourmind


  • #53
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    getzls wrote: »
    I didn't mention Celtic supporters.
    Well, yes it may have been a few ISIS supporters who also support Palestinian terrorism and the IRA.

    It could also have been Loyalists. Why do you keep ignoring that option? Surely you don't have some kind if agenda at play?


  • #54
    Wigglepuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I'm always a bit baffled by people who defend Israel to the hilt; something tells me if they had to spend a few days in a refugee camp in the West Bank or wintnessed soldiers in armoured ploughs demolishing a village olive grove they'd think a bit differently.
    They know it full well but they wouldn't dream of admitting it if they're loyalists. Others are afraid admitting it would look like supporting Hamas, which is silly. I find it very easy to condemn both hamas and what you have described.


  • #55
    rjpf1980
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    Only knuckle dragging morons would vandalize Jewish graves in Belfast.

    This is very sad considering the strong links between Ireland and Israel considering Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog, the first Chief Rabbi of Ireland and Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of the British Mandate of Palestine and of Israel after its independence in 1948 lived in Belfast. His son Chaim Herzog, the 6th President of Israel was born in Belfast and today Isaac Herzog is a member of the Knesset.

    Jewish Zionists supported Irish Republicanism during the darkest days of the Irish War of Independence and Jewish fighters who fought the British took inspiration from the guerrilla warfare methods of the IRA. Ironically many of the British police officers in Palestine who fought the Jews were former Black and Tans who fought the IRA in Ireland.

    The revival of Hebrew by Israel was also inspired by the efforts of Irish nationalists to revive the Gaelic language decades before.

    Both Israel and the Republic of Ireland were created in the late 1940s.

    The rise of revolting anti-semitism in Ireland and demonization of Israel today by the Irish left and among Irish Republicans is deeply misguided and deeply tragic.


  • #56
    Junkyard Tom
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    I wonder will we get to hear who desecrated
    There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to their actions.

    Maybe it was some sort of karma?


  • #57
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Too lazy to read the thread so to make sure it has been said:
    Were they Catholic Jews or Protestant Jews?


  • #58
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I wonder will we get to hear who desecrated the graves & why :confused:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/28/jewish-graves-desecrated-belfast-cemetery

    There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to their actions.
    The reason is quiet simple, nationalist antisemitism.


  • #59
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭horsebox1977


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The reason is quiet simple, nationalist antisemitism.

    ha ha

    You really are some bigot.


  • #60
    Wigglepuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Wigglepuppy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The reason is quiet simple, nationalist antisemitism.
    Oh has it been confirmed it was nationalists?


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  • #61
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Wigglepuppy wrote: »
    Oh has it been confirmed it was nationalists?

    Well it wasn't the faeries


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