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Jewish Graves Vandalised in Belfast

  • 28-08-2016 10:56AM
    #1
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭


    Why does the image of toothless knuckle-scrappers in Celtic jerseys proclaiming "unlike Rangers, we have always been an inclusive club..." pop into my head while reading about this sickening event.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0828/812457-jewish-graves-belfast/


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  • #2
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭horsebox1977


    How do you know the perpetrators were wearing Celtic jerseys, Celtic fans or even Nationalists?

    Lots of Loyalist groups have links to C18 and other Nazi groups, ironic enough that they also 'stand with Israel' but that's another topic.


  • #3
    Collie D
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    That's some speculative OP.


  • #4
    Widdershins
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    Disgusting.


  • #5
    Your Face
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    I just had an outrage jizz.


  • #6
    bodice ripper
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    It fries my brain that anyone on this island is anti Semitic. How much can you even be interacting with Jews here?


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  • #7
    Peregrine
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Why does the image of toothless knuckle-scrappers in Celtic jerseys proclaiming "unlike Rangers, we have always been an inclusive club..." pop into my head while reading about this sickening event.

    Because you're presumptive and possibly biased.


  • #8
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The Jews end up involved in Irish political life because they are seen by one side as enemies of the friends of my enemies......if you get my drift.

    Typical NI.


  • #9
    ClovenHoof
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    horsebox1977 wrote: »
    How do you know the perpetrators were wearing Celtic jerseys, Celtic fans or even Nationalists?

    Lots of Loyalist groups have links to C18 and other Nazi groups, ironic enough that they also 'stand with Israel' but that's another topic.

    Eh, Celtic shinbots waving hamas flags...like CONSTANTLY.

    The loyalist tend to pro Zionist.

    Honestly is your world view really that infantile and archaic? Things up north be different. Even the BNP is pro Isreal.

    I am pro Isreal myself and I hate the BNP and Orange Order.

    Our lives and society are more complex than either daily mail and Guardian editorials my friend.


  • #10
    A Little Pony
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    When anti Israel talk is condoned from Republicans this is what happens. Jewish people are seen as animals by them and thus these thugs don't see them as human beings.


  • #11
    Wigglepuppy
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Eh, Celtic shinbots waving hamas flags...like CONSTANTLY.

    The loyalist tend to pro Zionist.

    Honestly is your world view really that infantile.
    Is yours? What about the point made by someone that some loyalist scum have links to far-right extremists?


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  • #12
    NIMAN
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »

    The loyalist tend to pro Zionist.

    Except when they are anti-Zionist of course.

    https://edinburghnapiernews.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/rangers_nazi_salute_israel_2.jpg

    Nazi salutes by people flying the Israel flag, you couldn't make it up.


  • #13
    Wigglepuppy
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    When anti Israel talk is condoned from Republicans this is what happens. Jewish people are seen as animals by them and thus these thugs don't see them as human beings.
    Like how loyalists see nationalists.

    And you don't know who did it, so not sure how you can state "this is what happens". By the way, I have never known of Irish republicans to refer to Jewish people as animals. I have heard of right-wing extremists doing so though.


  • #14
    Wigglepuppy
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    It fries my brain that anyone on this island is anti Semitic. How much can you even be interacting with Jews here?
    Probably hatred of Israel. And extreme stupidity - don't forget extreme stupidity.


  • #15
    smurgen
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Except when they are anti-Zionist of course.

    https://edinburghnapiernews.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/rangers_nazi_salute_israel_2.jpg

    Nazi salutes by people flying the Israel flag, you couldn't make it up.

    Christ all mighty,the lack of self awareness in some people is breath taking


  • #16
    NIMAN
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    To be fair, don't think there's any cure for cancer amongst those lads....


  • #17
    lawlolawl
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    It fries my brain that anyone on this island is anti Semitic. How much can you even be interacting with Jews here?

    It's the North, what do you expect?

    They'd fight with someone who has different coloured hair than them.


  • #18
    A Little Pony
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    Wigglepuppy wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    When anti Israel talk is condoned from Republicans this is what happens. Jewish people are seen as animals by them and thus these thugs don't see them as human beings.
    Like how loyalists see nationalists.

    And you don't know who did it, so not sure how you can state "this is what happens". By the way, I have never known of Irish republicans to refer to Jewish people as animals. I have heard of right-wing extremists doing so though.
    Sinn Fein response to it indicates it was. Seen it plenty of times with anti Jewish rhetoric.


  • #19
    ClovenHoof
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    Wigglepuppy wrote: »
    Is yours? What about the point made by someone that some loyalist scum have links to far-right extremists?

    Far right on these island is pro isreal these days.

    The national front and c18 lost their influence decades ago.

    The issue is arabs for the far right now and they now consider Israel an ally.

    They world has changed since Billy Bragg bought his Marxist ocean view stately manor.


  • #20
    Calahonda52
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    It fries my brain that anyone on this island is anti Semitic. How much can you even be interacting with Jews here?

    The current Treasury Sec in the US is one, Jack Lew, who is driving the pro Apple tax case against the EC, and also had a hand in the no bondholders burning deal, Phase II.
    Jews hold considerable financial power in the US and the deal Tim Geithner forced on Ire Inc re Anglo etc was driven in large measure by Jews in Wall Street.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #21
    artanevilla
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    Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism.


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  • #22
    Wigglepuppy
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein response to it indicates it was. Seen it plenty of times with anti Jewish rhetoric.
    Calling them animals? Sure you have.
    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Far right on these island is pro isreal these days.

    The national front and c18 lost their influence decades ago.

    The issue is arabs for the far right now and they now consider Israel an ally.

    They world has changed since Billy Bragg bought his Marxist ocean view stately manor.
    You're right, but pretty shallow stuff to consider an enemy a friend so easily - the sincerity deserves to be questioned. Are the holocaust deniers suddenly admitting it happened?

    You could be right that this was done by republicans because of Israel - there is a strong chance, but to pay more attention to the possibility that they were wearing celtic jerseys than the grotesque act of vandalism itself is weird. It's also strange not to even consider that it was done by loyalists. While much of the far right has decided that the Jews are OK (which makes you wonder what their problem was with them in the first place if they were able to change their point of view so easily) plenty are still extremely anti semitic. Don't be thinking just because there is an Israeli flag hanging in their estate (it's aimed at republicans and nationalists who hang Palestinian flags - it's not because loyalists are "with" Israel :D) that a loyalist who's not too bright would not still do this. Someone already posted about the hilarious Israeli flag/Nazi salute combination.

    Nick Griffin was a renowned anti semitic - wow, how easy it was for him to turn around. :)


  • #23
    RasTa
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    It fries my brain that anyone on this island is anti Semitic. How much can you even be interacting with Jews here?

    They come over from time to time to destroy the Sean Russel statue


  • #24
    MRnotlob606
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    OP sounding very pompous.


  • #25
    ClovenHoof
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    The world appears to be moving towards a more anarchist mindset as left and right merge and disolve into one another. Liberal lefties living in all white gated des res communities while screaming about the 1% when they are the 1%, and self proclaimed racialists standing behind the Jewish state, anti death penalty types idolising a murderous imperialist psychopath like Hillary Clinton, while Trump who ordered the bombing of no one is their devil...

    Let politics die in this schizophrenic miasma which will only be a good thing in time. A pox on all your houses.


  • #26
    Junkyard Tom
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Christ all mighty,the lack of self awareness in some people is breath taking

    When those dimwits fly Israeli flags they probably have no idea what it means to Israelis or Jews - they fly them because them'uns fly the Palestinian flag.

    The ones who are able to do simple jigsaws are probably enamoured by the Israeli state's treatment of Palestinians/Arabs and identify with the colonial/settler aspect of Israel.

    The poor fools are blissfully unaware that they're the Arabs of Ireland and their UVF controlled ghettos are the West Bank cantons of the future.


  • #27
    dav3
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    The world appears to be moving towards a more anarchist mindset as left and right merge and disolve into one another. Liberal lefties living in all white gated des res communities while screaming about the 1% when they are the 1%, and self proclaimed racialists standing behind the Jewish state, anti death penalty types idolising a murderous imperialist psychopath like Hillary Clinton, while Trump who ordered the bombing of no one is their devil...

    Let politics die in this schizophrenic miasma which will only be a good thing in time. A pox on all your houses.

    What was the point of the OP? Was it just so you could post that childish rant above?

    Thank god we have far right people like yourself to tell us how it is.


  • #28
    ClovenHoof
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    dav3 wrote: »
    What was the point of the OP? Was it just so you could post that childish rant above?

    Thank god we have far right people like yourself to tell us how it is.

    Me far right! Has the ink from the Socialist Worker seeped into that paper cut you sustained in your civil service "job" during your sixteen week sick leave due to this injury?

    I am apolitical, its called being an individual. You should try it at least once.


  • #29
    dav3
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Me far right! Has the ink from the Socialist Worker seeped into that paper cut you sustained in your civil service "job" during your sixteen week sick leave due to this injury?

    I am apolitical, its called being an individual. You should try it at least once.

    Oh yes I forgot, you far right lot like to be referred to as 'alt-right' these days. It makes you sound edgy and down with the kids.

    You're "apolitical"? Of course you are. Quit the bull****, you're fooling no one.


  • #30
    Dyr
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    The brethren up north have a fairly long history of vandalizing republican graves

    the OP probably is'nt aware of that though


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  • #31
    ClovenHoof
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    dav3 wrote: »
    Oh yes I forgot, you far right lot like to be referred to as 'alt-right' these days. It makes you sound edgy and down with the kids.

    You're "apolitical"? Of course you are. Quit the bull****, you're fooling no one.

    Is my SS Eizengruppen uniform that obvious?


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